Wan-Bissaka for sale | joins West Ham

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Fortitude said:
It’s a very strange switch by West Ham as the profile of the players couldn’t be more different. How do you go from wanting an attacking fullback to a defensive one in the space of a single rejection?
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Most of the players at RB we've been linked to this summee have been very attacking in nature, as per a typical Lopetegui fullback.

My guess is because AWB is a Salthouse client (who has very strong connection to Sullivan) and pretty cheap and not so much because of him being a tactical fit for what the manager needs. Although again that doesnt mean he isn't a good player nor does it mean he can't work for us, just it will be a round peg into a square hole jobbie.
 
Koldbeer2021 said:
Most of the players at RB we've been linked to this summee have been very attacking in nature, as per a typical Lopetegui fullback.

My guess is because AWB is a Salthouse client (who has very strong connection to Sullivan) and pretty cheap and not so much because of him being a tactical fit for what the manager needs. Although again that doesnt mean he isn't a good player nor does it mean he can't work for us, just it will be a round peg into a square hole jobbie.
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Pretty cool you can provide some logic to the seeming 180 in profile! At least it would make sense.
 
MadDogg said:
Over the last two years he definitely improved at covering the back post and in the air in general. Still not good at it, but it's no longer a huge weakness like it used to be.
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Honestly I think he’s awful in the air, he heads like a little league kid, and lets it just bounce of the top of his head meaning he can’t control it at all. Don’t think I’ve ever seen him use his forehead,
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
Honestly I think he’s awful in the air, he heads like a little league kid, and lets it just bounce of the top of his head meaning he can’t control it at all. Don’t think I’ve ever seen him use his forehead,
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I've never thought of it like that, but it is largely true. :lol:

At least he normally gets his head on the ball these days though, rather than just letting it go over his head with the opposing winger/fullback coming in on the back post for an easy chance like he used to. Still happens more than it should, but it used to be ridiculous.
 
Giggsyking said:
He will be needed in many games, if we ever get to another final. I would trust him over any player. These games worth trophies. And come on, it's not like Dalot is miles better than him.
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So you would rather watch us play hoofball than try and maintain a consistent style of play?
 
McLvnsMuse said:
Rolling my eyes at Fans of other teams snubbing AWB.

Has his limitations but better than most fullbacks in this league (Especially outside the top 4)

I personally wouldn’t sell. If we are happy to keep a limited player like Malacia then AWB defs makes the cut as a squad option. For me he actually improved on the ball last season but still not good enough to start for us (given our ambitions).

15m is insulting for a 26 year old fullback with almost 200 Prem appearances and a unique skillset + he’s on reasonable wages
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He really isn't.

15m is more than fair for a limited player like him with only 1 year left on his contract.
 
McLvnsMuse said:
Rolling my eyes at Fans of other teams snubbing AWB.

Has his limitations but better than most fullbacks in this league (Especially outside the top 4)

I personally wouldn’t sell. If we are happy to keep a limited player like Malacia then AWB defs makes the cut as a squad option. For me he actually improved on the ball last season but still not good enough to start for us (given our ambitions).

15m is insulting for a 26 year old fullback with almost 200 Prem appearances and a unique skillset + he’s on reasonable wages
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He really isn’t. He’s a mediocre player and another one who has no business being a Manchester United player.
 
Giggsyking said:
He is not hoofball player, in fact he links up well. His problem has always been the final third making the last pass or cross.
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His final ball isn't actually that bad when he gets into position. Well, his crossing isn't good but his cut-backs to the edge of the box are decent. The issue is more in the middle third of the pitch where he is poor at progressing the ball (either through passing or carrying it himself), while also normally not making the right off-the-ball runs into the final third.

I agree AWB's not a hoofball player though. It's actually something that he does very rarely. Although I guess the fact he doesn't position himself well and doesn't take on the responsibility to play the ball forward does force other players to hoof it more than they otherwise would.
 
McLvnsMuse said:
Rolling my eyes at Fans of other teams snubbing AWB.

Has his limitations but better than most fullbacks in this league (Especially outside the top 4)

I personally wouldn’t sell. If we are happy to keep a limited player like Malacia then AWB defs makes the cut as a squad option. For me he actually improved on the ball last season but still not good enough to start for us (given our ambitions).

15m is insulting for a 26 year old fullback with almost 200 Prem appearances and a unique skillset + he’s on reasonable wages
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Not exactly. 15-20 mil is realistic for limited full back like him.
 
McLvnsMuse said:
Rolling my eyes at Fans of other teams snubbing AWB.

Has his limitations but better than most fullbacks in this league (Especially outside the top 4)

I personally wouldn’t sell. If we are happy to keep a limited player like Malacia then AWB defs makes the cut as a squad option. For me he actually improved on the ball last season but still not good enough to start for us (given our ambitions).

15m is insulting for a 26 year old fullback with almost 200 Prem appearances and a unique skillset + he’s on reasonable wages
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Better than most full backs ?

Walker
Porro
James
Trent
Cash
Gusto
KWP
Trippier
Livramento
White

I would have everyone of the above over AWB any day.
 
MadDogg said:
His final ball isn't actually that bad when he gets into position. Well, his crossing isn't good but his cut-backs to the edge of the box are decent. The issue is more in the middle third of the pitch where he is poor at progressing the ball (either through passing or carrying it himself), while also normally not making the right off-the-ball runs into the final third.

I agree AWB's not a hoofball player though. It's actually something that he does very rarely. Although I guess the fact he doesn't position himself well and doesn't take on the responsibility to play the ball forward does force other players to hoof it more than they otherwise would.
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Essentially, he’s bad at most things you’d expect from a fullback at a top team.
 
DavelinaJolie said:
Blimey, if true that moved quickly.
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I don't think between the clubs was ever an issue, and Sullivan would always be keen on a Salthouse player. It's just between the player and us now.

Given a pretty modest transfer fee I'd be surprised if this doesn't get done now.
 
NotChatGPT said:
Which bit is unfair?
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He's pretty much as good of a squad player fullback option that exists in the prem. He stays fit, which as we all knows, is a massive problem for us. He is also a specialist fullback who can absolutely shut down top wingers if needed. Given how our left backs are, I don't want to make our right back situation worse. Dalot regularly had to cover LB which meant Wan Bissaka had to play regularly. I don't think that changes much.
 
bosnian_red said:
He's pretty much as good of a squad player fullback option that exists in the prem. He stays fit, which as we all knows, is a massive problem for us. He is also a specialist fullback who can absolutely shut down top wingers if needed. Given how our left backs are, I don't want to make our right back situation worse. Dalot regularly had to cover LB which meant Wan Bissaka had to play regularly. I don't think that changes much.
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Not sure any of this answers the question about the unfair stick he's getting.

I doubt we intend to sell him without replacing him with someone that we think is a better fit for the club. His contract is also running out and there's not much reason to offer him a new one.
 
bosnian_red said:
He's pretty much as good of a squad player fullback option that exists in the prem. He stays fit, which as we all knows, is a massive problem for us. He is also a specialist fullback who can absolutely shut down top wingers if needed. Given how our left backs are, I don't want to make our right back situation worse. Dalot regularly had to cover LB which meant Wan Bissaka had to play regularly. I don't think that changes much.
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Thats what i have been saying , rb is the only position with a solid starter and a good backup. Now we only have 1 fullback we can trust to play 40+ games. I would rather we lose him for free and actually invest an rb and LB next summer. Instead we are bargain bin shopping for a rb with a questionable fitness record. We are probably going to be stuck with him for 4 year or more so we better hope he somehow stays fit.
 
bosnian_red said:
He's pretty much as good of a squad player fullback option that exists in the prem. He stays fit, which as we all knows, is a massive problem for us. He is also a specialist fullback who can absolutely shut down top wingers if needed. Given how our left backs are, I don't want to make our right back situation worse. Dalot regularly had to cover LB which meant Wan Bissaka had to play regularly. I don't think that changes much.
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He was out for 21 games last season. I think he’s a phenomenal specialist and better than a chunk of our fans give credit for, but I think it makes sense to sell now in his last 12 months than to keep him and run down the clock. Contract extension should absolutely not be a thing.
 
I like him. I think he serves a purpose and would like to see us keep him, granted there is the problem of his contract being up next summer.

Think West Ham are getting a good deal.
 
NotChatGPT said:
Not sure any of this answers the question about the unfair stick he's getting.

I doubt we intend to sell him without replacing him with someone that we think is a better fit for the club. His contract is also running out and there's not much reason to offer him a new one.
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We let pogba walk for free i am sure we can do that with awb. Mazraoui fits us on a technical level but he has a questionable fitness record. Would you rather a lose awb for free or b give a 4/5 year contract to a player with an iffy fitness record? I would rather we wait and get an rb that ticks all the boxes next summer .
 
He'll be great for West Ham, and much as we'll no doubt replace him with someone who is better going forward, I highly doubt that they'll be better at defending than he is.
 
Again…Who offers more as a back up fullback. AWB or Malacia?



McLvnsMuse said:
Rolling my eyes at Fans of other teams snubbing AWB.

Has his limitations but better than most fullbacks in this league (Especially outside the top 4)

I personally wouldn’t sell. If we are happy to keep a limited player like Malacia then AWB defs makes the cut as a squad option. For me he actually improved on the ball last season but still not good enough to start for us (given our ambitions).

15m is insulting for a 26 year old fullback with almost 200 Prem appearances and a unique skillset + he’s on reasonable wages
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Hmm, bit of an odd one to me. AWB is the guy you want to do that man marking job on a Doku / Martinelli.

He is fine as a backup and has a very different skill set to Dalot. They kind of compliment each other in that way.

If we sell, we have to go out and buy a replacement, unless we have someone lined up in the loan market. If we hadn't sold Kwambala, this would make more sense (ie inexperienced CB getting some gametime at FB in Cabarao / Europa).

Won't be sad to see him go, but wouldn't have had him near the top of the list. Bit skeptical of WHU as a fit for him. His delivery is the weakest link in his game.
 
Another good step in the clear out of overpaid mediocre players. Get him out of the door and on to the next one.

He really won't be missed.
 
eire-red said:
Hmm, bit of an odd one to me. AWB is the guy you want to do that man marking job on a Doku / Martinelli.

He is fine as a backup and has a very different skill set to Dalot. They kind of compliment each other in that way.

If we sell, we have to go out and buy a replacement, unless we have someone lined up in the loan market. If we hadn't sold Kwambala, this would make more sense (ie inexperienced CB getting some gametime at FB in Cabarao / Europa).

Won't be sad to see him go, but wouldn't have had him near the top of the list. Bit skeptical of WHU as a fit for him. His delivery is the weakest link in his game.
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I think he's been quite honest with Ten Hag from people who know what they are talking about that he wants first team football and Dalot is number 1, he and Lindelof both want out apparently as they want more football.

It's sad as they both have a use but it's refreshingly honest that they both want to play football rather than sit and collect the paycheck.
 
Hoof the ball said:
At tackling.

The distinction must be made that good defending doesn't mean that they're great at one aspect of defending. It means that they excel at most.

AWB would be a good defender if :-

1. He tracked runners (He doesn't)
2. Has positional awareness (Also no)
3. Covered his back post (He doesn't)
4. He was good in the air (definitely not)

One cannot be a good defender on the basis of one aspect of defending alone.
That's like saying someone is a good midfielder because they've got a nice pass, but if that was the case, then Shelvey would be great.
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An excellent, really excellent post.
 
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