Virgil van Dijk | VVD throws a hissy fit

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Very unprofessional of van Dijk, youd have thought he'd have shown more respect to his club after signing such a long term contract.

Saints hold all the cards with regards to any transfer and can make him sit the season out with the reserves until he apologises, he might want to do that soon if they're not selling and he wants to make the WC.
 
If Liverpool make another bid for VVD or even sign him it will make the whole tapping up accusation and apology an absolute joke.
 
Wessex Saint said:
But the way your club has acted is the problem. You've been caught doing it at all levels - the 12 year old from Stoke. Solanke. VVD. It is sad that you supporters see nothing wrong with it, but then that is the new type of supporter that follows LFC. Your owners don't care. They have no connection to the City and none with the Club other than recently having bought it. No history. They are there to make an investment, and doing things the proper way gets in the way of making a profit, which goes against the reason for investing. FSG have turned you into a vile club. The saddest thing is the arrogance that LFC fans trot out, and the disdain for all others..
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Superb post by Wessex Saint.
It's an utter disgrace if Liverpool are allowed sign this player after being caught red handed in tapping him up.
Their forced apology was an absolute piss take.

They have ex-players advising VVD to force a transfer, even to go on strike, this is totally unforgivable.
How is this club allowed to benefit from such corrupt and disrespectful behaviour?
Where is the punishment?
Where is the deterrent?

Hilarious that the same club are spitting feathers when one of their players is legitimately targeted by another club...!!

Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.
 
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stygg said:
Four horse race it seems with Chelsea, City, Liverpool and Arsenal all interested. But how the feck can van Dijk prefer Liverpool?
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I've been banging this drum for a while now: if we had won the Carling Cup and finished fifth he wouldn't give us a second look (despite them being our feeder club).
 
giorno said:
He's big, strong, and fast--->very good at defending 1vs1 situations in open space, good at recovering, good at winning duels. Plus, he's good with his feet and can act as the team's deep-lying playmaker. Essentially he's a much better version of Lovren. He's not great, but he's exactly what they need. Hence why he's worth so much to liverpool
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I think that's a fair assestment of him, he's a good defender, I wouldn't call him great.
His height & physique give him an advantage in the air and in physical challenges.
Outside of that I don't think he'd improve most top teams, and while Liverpool would be a step up from Southampton, I don't think he's worth the fee, the drama or the hassle.

Southampton shouldn't sell for less than £55m.
 
Dumbstar said:
I've been banging this drum for a while now: if we had won the Carling Cup and finished fifth he wouldn't give us a second look (despite them being our feeder club).
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If the reported wages are correct then he would have even if you had finished 5th/6th.
 
vi1lain said:
I think that's a fair assestment of him, he's a good defender, I wouldn't call him great.
His height & physique give him an advantage in the air and in physical challenges.
Outside of that I don't think he'd improve most top teams, and while Liverpool would be a step up from Southampton, I don't think he's worth the fee, the drama or the hassle.

Southampton shouldn't sell for less than £55m.
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But the thing is, he's good, definitely one of the best around(though not close to the best), at the things managers like Klopp or Guardiola want in a CB. He's definitely not worth that kind of fee in a vacuum, and he's definitely not worth that kind of fee for managers like Mourinho, or Conte(who already has David Luiz), or Pochettino(who has Toby). But for Klopp? He's the best CB he can get
 
I've just had a peak through the VVD thread on the saints forum and boy do they hate us :lol: maybe more than United fans on here. Spiteful bunch, we should take our business elsewhere from now. After we get Van Dijk of course.
 
Oga on top. said:
I've just had a peak through the VVD thread on the saints forum and boy do they hate us :lol: maybe more than United fans on here. Spiteful bunch, we should take our business elsewhere from now. After we get Van Dijk of course.
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You've unsettled their players and made an illegal approach, their not spiteful they just don't like the manner in which you conduct your transfers. A saint on here explained it much better.
 
Seems like this has been handled very poorly from all parties involved.

Firstly, from his statement VVD feels he needs to come out and paints Southampton in a very poor light in regards to Southampton fining him wages for refusing to train. If he hasn't refused to train, Southampton are out of order here. Furthermore if Southampton have been aware of his desire to leave for sometime, they should respect his wishes and work towards the best deal for the club privately, rather than through the media. Feel the actions of Southampton have not helped this situation by going public.

I do feel some sympathy for Southampton, as year on year they're best players are taken, especially by Liverpool. Southampton are not entirely in the wrong, and they are entitled to keep the player until a satisfactory offer is met. VVD is Southampton's to sell after all.

Now to Liverpool. Unbelievable poor behaviour in tapping up VVD. They apologised (albeit half heartedly) and ended they're interest. Therefore if VVD is to be sold, it cannot be to Liverpool. If they do sign him, the FA should step in and block the transfer and place extremely high fines towards Liverpool.

He's a good player, he seems genuine in his statement and wants the best for his career. All this should be dealt with behind closed doors. If he wants to move to a bigger club, that's fine. He should set his stall higher than Liverpool though
 
horsechoker said:
You've unsettled their players and made an illegal approach, their not spiteful they just don't like the manner in which you conduct your transfers. A saint on here explained it much better.
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I get that, we fecked it up. If we had conducted it better he probably could have been signed more than a month ago and none of this wouldn't be happening. But I was alluding to comments i read on their forum calling Liverpool fans 'victims' etc. Can't say I'm suprised though because I remember them saying all sorts after we had signed Lovren a few years back. Best solution is to just sign this last player from them and call it equals pequals.
 
Hmmm. So if Liverpool do sign VVD will certain 'outraged' posters explode? I wonder if these same posters get outraged at real life travesties and injustices or just the ones that involve millionaires talking to other millionaires about playing football for another club. OUTRAGEOUS!!!

That said, Liverpool are evidently favourites to sign the guy, I wonder how the club will manoeuvre to make it happen.
 
I don't think we should try to sign him anymore, it wouldn't sit right with me after we've publicly said we "ended any interest in the player". I could certainly understand the astonishment of some posters on here if we end up signing him after all the things that went wrong with his transfer last month. Re-integrate Sakho (doesn't seem like an option) or find a suitable alternative (doesn't seem like Klopp wants to) would be the best options imo.
 
Craig Ward said:
Now to Liverpool. Unbelievable poor behaviour in tapping up VVD. They apologised (albeit half heartedly) and ended they're interest. Therefore if VVD is to be sold, it cannot be to Liverpool. If they do sign him, the FA should step in and block the transfer and place extremely high fines towards Liverpool.
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Won't happen for two key reasons:

1) The tapping up accusations went no further than Southampton reporting it; no charges were brought against Liverpool so there's no case for Liverpool to answer;

2) It would be an absurd precedent to set; the PL/FA would be exposing themselves to a lifetime of litigation as equivalent allegations emerge in order to block transfers - what Liverpool are alleged to have done is apparently widespread in one incarnation or other. Probably a chief motivating factor for the case being essentially dismissed.
 
State of Picklehead and Roflateria when this falls through and Coutinho goes as well.
 
PickledRed said:
Won't happen for two key reasons:

1) The tapping up accusations went no further than Southampton reporting it; no charges were brought against Liverpool so there's no case for Liverpool to answer;

2) It would be an absurd precedent to set; the PL/FA would be exposing themselves to a lifetime of litigation as equivalent allegations emerge in order to block transfers - what Liverpool are alleged to have done is apparently widespread in one incarnation or other. Probably a chief motivating factor for the case being essentially dismissed.
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What Liverpool are alleged to have done? You had to write an official apology on your website the next day! This isn't the court of law (yet), but if that is not an admission of guilt I don't know what it.
 
James Peril said:
What Liverpool are alleged to have done? You had to write an official apology on your website the next day! This isn't the court of law (yet), but if that is not an admission of guilt I don't know what it.
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Indeed, yet the FA didn't follow up on the accusations. Presumably because Pandora's Box would explode with every club in Christendom vulnerable to litigation. I use 'alleged' as I felt it sat appropriately in the context to the fact Southampton accused Liverpool yet the FA didn't charge.
 
giorno said:
He's big, strong, and fast--->very good at defending 1vs1 situations in open space, good at recovering, good at winning duels. Plus, he's good with his feet and can act as the team's deep-lying playmaker. Essentially he's a much better version of Lovren. He's not great, but he's exactly what they need. Hence why he's worth so much to liverpool
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Southampton to sign Lovren 3.0 with the Loven 2.0 (VVD) money and Liverpool to bid £80m for him within 2 years.
 
PickledRed said:
Won't happen for two key reasons:

1) The tapping up accusations went no further than Southampton reporting it; no charges were brought against Liverpool so there's no case for Liverpool to answer;

2) It would be an absurd precedent to set; the PL/FA would be exposing themselves to a lifetime of litigation as equivalent allegations emerge in order to block transfers - what Liverpool are alleged to have done is apparently widespread in one incarnation or other. Probably a chief motivating factor for the case being essentially dismissed.
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Tend to agree with you there in truth. In all it's wrongness, we all know VVD is off to Liverpool. Highlighting the joke that is English football yet again.........

I do hope however, Southampton play hardball and make Liverpool pay an absurd fee. Liverpool have become extremely unlikeable with they're attitude towards the purchase of VVD and they're reluctance to sell Coutinho. Used to like Klopp too
 
PickledRed said:
Indeed, yet the FA didn't follow up on the accusations. Presumably because Pandora's Box would explode with every club in Christendom vulnerable to litigation. I use 'alleged' as I felt it sat appropriately in the context to the fact Southampton accused Liverpool yet the FA didn't charge.
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Alleged because Southampton accused Liverpool and FA didn't charge? Please enlighten us on why Liverpool apologised?
 
Oga on top. said:
You are making us sound like Burton albion, we've got equal the amount of European titles as Barca fyi. But yeah considering location, calibre of players etc they are ahead of us right now.
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What's that got to do with anything? Nottingham Forest has more European Cups than PSG, so?
 
Oga on top. said:
I've just had a peak through the VVD thread on the saints forum and boy do they hate us :lol: maybe more than United fans on here. Spiteful bunch, we should take our business elsewhere from now. After we get Van Dijk of course.
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I think it is the arrogance that "upsets" the fans. Its not being upset either, its just thinking you are a bunch of two hats. The sensible, magnanimous and non-condescending Liverpool supporter is so few and far between, that they may as well not exist. (And FYI, you still have some way to go to be on the same level as Pompey ;))

"Our feeder club" and all that sort of crap. Do you think that Saints turn around and start calling Celtic "our feeder club"? Maybe you were being tongue in cheek, maybe you weren't. TBH there is so much arrogant twaddle coming out of Liverpool fans, that it is hard to tell when people may not be being wholly serious. It's not just Saints fans, but most of the footballing world look upon Liverpool , banging on how great they are, what wonderful history they have, and wonder when they are actually going to win something. Sure 1972/1973 to 1990/91 Liverpool finished in the top 2 every season except one. That is a phenomenal achievement, but that's pushing 30/40 years ago.

Now if you look at Untied, they have won rather a lot more recently, but they don't go on and on. "Oh look at us, we've got the same number of European titles as Barca fyi ffs fgs smh YAWN". There is such a lack of class and feeling of entitlement that is so misplaced given the way they spend hundreds of millions and still don't win anything. I don't really blame LFC supporters, after all, the press blows so much smoke up their backsides I guess it would be easy to undertake this self-aggrandisement and arrogance. But **** me its boring. You don't need to give it the big I am. We all know what Liverpool was, is and could be. Maybe its a Liverpool thing, as Everton suddenly have started giving it large as well with this Moshi chap and his money.
 
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Wessex Saint said:
I think it is the arrogance that "upsets" the fans. Its not being upset either, its just thinking you are a bunch of two hats. The sensible, magnanimous and non-condescending Liverpool supporter is so few and far between, that they may as well not exist. (And FYI, you still have some way to go to be on the same level as Pompey ;))

"Our feeder club" and all that sort of crap. Do you think that Saints turn around and start calling Celtic "our feeder club"? Maybe you were being tongue in cheek, maybe you weren't. TBH there is so much arrogant twaddle coming out of Liverpool fans, that it is hard to tell when people may not be being wholly serious. It's not just Saints fans, but most of the footballing world look upon Liverpool , banging on how great they are, what wonderful history they have, and wonder when they are actually going to win something. Sure 1972/1973 to 1990/91 Liverpool finished in the top 2 every season except one. That is a phenomenal achievement, but that's pushing 30/40 years ago.

Now if you look at Untied, they have won rather a lot more recently, but they don't go on and on. "Oh look at us, we've got the same number of European titles as Barca fyi ffs fgs smh YAWN". There is such a lack of class and feeling of entitlement that is so misplaced given the way they spend hundreds of millions and still don't win anything. I don't really blame LFC supporters, after all, the press blows so much smoke up their backsides I guess it would be easy to undertake this self-aggrandisement and arrogance. But **** me its boring. You don't need to give it the big I am. We all know what Liverpool was, is and could be. Maybe its a Liverpool thing, as Everton suddenly have started giving it large as well with this Moshi chap and his money.
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New favourite poster identified :drool:
 
We can laugh at the Pool fans here but I feel for them. You shouldn't have to deal with this crap so late in the transfer window, specially for one of your key players. If Coutinho leaves now, it will definitely set them back by a huge margin. The best case scenario is to now counsel him so that he can give his best for another season before he eventually leaves. Also, they should immediately start looking for a replacement.

I would be cursing the Spanish clubs had they come after Pogba this window.
 
roonster09 said:
Alleged because Southampton accused Liverpool and FA didn't charge? Please enlighten us on why Liverpool apologised?
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To avoid hot water, I imagine. FA still didn't charge for reasons I've alluded to
 
Subho611 said:
We can laugh at the Pool fans here but I feel for them. You shouldn't have to deal with this crap so late in the transfer window, specially for one of your key players. If Coutinho leaves now, it will definitely set them back by a huge margin. The best case scenario is to now counsel him so that he can give his best for another season before he eventually leaves. Also, they should immediately start looking for a replacement.

I would be cursing the Spanish clubs had they come after Pogba this window.
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Wrong thread? In any case you could say Southampton are dealing with the same crap for one of their key players. That's how the transfer window works. When you're in the middle of the food chain, you have to be prepared to raid others whilst hypocritically condemning those who try to buy your best. Otherwise you'll never make progress. Heck, even the top of the 'food chain' doesn't seem safe, Barca just lost one of the biggest assets (if not the biggest) in world football. If we ourselves don't show progress in the next couple of seasons then expect teams to come for Pogba.
 
Wessex Saint said:
I think it is the arrogance that "upsets" the fans. Its not being upset either, its just thinking you are a bunch of two hats. The sensible, magnanimous and non-condescending Liverpool supporter is so few and far between, that they may as well not exist. (And FYI, you still have some way to go to be on the same level as Pompey ;))

"Our feeder club" and all that sort of crap. Do you think that Saints turn around and start calling Celtic "our feeder club"? Maybe you were being tongue in cheek, maybe you weren't. TBH there is so much arrogant twaddle coming out of Liverpool fans, that it is hard to tell when people may not be being wholly serious. It's not just Saints fans, but most of the footballing world look upon Liverpool , banging on how great they are, what wonderful history they have, and wonder when they are actually going to win something. Sure 1972/1973 to 1990/91 Liverpool finished in the top 2 every season except one. That is a phenomenal achievement, but that's pushing 30/40 years ago.

Now if you look at Untied, they have won rather a lot more recently, but they don't go on and on. "Oh look at us, we've got the same number of European titles as Barca fyi ffs fgs smh YAWN". There is such a lack of class and feeling of entitlement that is so misplaced given the way they spend hundreds of millions and still don't win anything. I don't really blame LFC supporters, after all, the press blows so much smoke up their backsides I guess it would be easy to undertake this self-aggrandisement and arrogance. But **** me its boring. You don't need to give it the big I am. We all know what Liverpool was, is and could be. Maybe its a Liverpool thing, as Everton suddenly have started giving it large as well with this Moshi chap and his money.
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If this wasn't about football and you weren't a grown man (assuming you are) then I'd swear I've come into a Girl's Teen Angst forum.
 
AXVnee7 said:
Wrong thread? In any case you could say Southampton are dealing with the same crap for one of their key players. That's how the transfer window works. When you're in the middle of the food chain, you have to be prepared to raid others whilst hypocritically condemning those who try to buy your best. Otherwise you'll never make progress. Heck, even the top of the 'food chain' doesn't seem safe, Barca just lost one of the biggest assets (if not the biggest) in world football. If we ourselves don't show progress in the next couple of seasons then expect teams to come for Pogba.
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Yeah, wrong thread. You are right, it's bad for Southampton too. But Southampton actually knew very early in the season that they are most probably going to be tested on VVD and the fact that his head has been turned (5 year contract notwithstanding).

Also, Southampton are traditionally a selling club and that has been their way of functioning since they arrived at the scene so to now block a move for a player even if a club is willing to pay more than the market value is a bizarre strategy. In the long term this may do more harm that good as other players who see this as a stepping stone may not commit or worse yet go to a different club.

IMO, this has got nothing to do with VVD being indispensable but everything to do with how Liverpool approached this transfer. They royally insulted the people that run the club by fraternising with their contracted player so now they are playing hardball.
 
Wessex Saint said:
I think it is the arrogance that "upsets" the fans. Its not being upset either, its just thinking you are a bunch of two hats. The sensible, magnanimous and non-condescending Liverpool supporter is so few and far between, that they may as well not exist. (And FYI, you still have some way to go to be on the same level as Pompey ;))

"Our feeder club" and all that sort of crap. Do you think that Saints turn around and start calling Celtic "our feeder club"? Maybe you were being tongue in cheek, maybe you weren't. TBH there is so much arrogant twaddle coming out of Liverpool fans, that it is hard to tell when people may not be being wholly serious. It's not just Saints fans, but most of the footballing world look upon Liverpool , banging on how great they are, what wonderful history they have, and wonder when they are actually going to win something. Sure 1972/1973 to 1990/91 Liverpool finished in the top 2 every season except one. That is a phenomenal achievement, but that's pushing 30/40 years ago.

Now if you look at Untied, they have won rather a lot more recently, but they don't go on and on. "Oh look at us, we've got the same number of European titles as Barca fyi ffs fgs smh YAWN". There is such a lack of class and feeling of entitlement that is so misplaced given the way they spend hundreds of millions and still don't win anything. I don't really blame LFC supporters, after all, the press blows so much smoke up their backsides I guess it would be easy to undertake this self-aggrandisement and arrogance. But **** me its boring. You don't need to give it the big I am. We all know what Liverpool was, is and could be. Maybe its a Liverpool thing, as Everton suddenly have started giving it large as well with this Moshi chap and his money.
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:lol: You tell them silly scousers!
 
As I understood it, Southampton reported Liverpool, but agreed not to pursue things if Liverpool publicly ceased interest and made a groveling apology.

Which they duly did.
 
Wessex Saint said:
I think it is the arrogance that "upsets" the fans. Its not being upset either, its just thinking you are a bunch of two hats. The sensible, magnanimous and non-condescending Liverpool supporter is so few and far between, that they may as well not exist. (And FYI, you still have some way to go to be on the same level as Pompey ;))

"Our feeder club" and all that sort of crap. Do you think that Saints turn around and start calling Celtic "our feeder club"? Maybe you were being tongue in cheek, maybe you weren't. TBH there is so much arrogant twaddle coming out of Liverpool fans, that it is hard to tell when people may not be being wholly serious. It's not just Saints fans, but most of the footballing world look upon Liverpool , banging on how great they are, what wonderful history they have, and wonder when they are actually going to win something. Sure 1972/1973 to 1990/91 Liverpool finished in the top 2 every season except one. That is a phenomenal achievement, but that's pushing 30/40 years ago.

Now if you look at Untied, they have won rather a lot more recently, but they don't go on and on. "Oh look at us, we've got the same number of European titles as Barca fyi ffs fgs smh YAWN". There is such a lack of class and feeling of entitlement that is so misplaced given the way they spend hundreds of millions and still don't win anything. I don't really blame LFC supporters, after all, the press blows so much smoke up their backsides I guess it would be easy to undertake this self-aggrandisement and arrogance. But **** me its boring. You don't need to give it the big I am. We all know what Liverpool was, is and could be. Maybe its a Liverpool thing, as Everton suddenly have started giving it large as well with this Moshi chap and his money.
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