When Liverpool have finished stealing Southampton players they'll have a very good mid table side.
Regarding VVD, he's defintely a proven defender at league level, one of the best around. I wonder how he'd cope in the Champions league. I look at the Juventus defence and think of an impenetrable wall. I'd really like someone who's a seasoned pro at the best level, a player who the rest of the defence could look at and get confidence from, a central version of Valencia. Unfortunately there aren't many of them in the world. Hummels, Ramos, Bonnuci, Thiago Silva - we're not likely to sign one of those!