Mbappé doesn't defend, Vini does.
Vinicius Junior
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A GOAT candidate wins the World Cup with one of the best individual tournaments of the last 40 years, and he has no chance?
He's really starting to get a taste for these massive European games. That's where you really make your name and he is making his.
He is the bookies' favourite and he just won the Laureus award (for the second time) after already winning the FIFA the Best award.
Yeah, completely different is a bit wrong but this season Mbappe has played more central. He doesn't offer the same creativity as Vinicius. The latter is responsible for the whole left area while Mbappe looks for the final ball much more and not just from the left.
My favourite none United player, he's just so exciting to watch
yeah I was being kind, doesn’t let his head drop like Rashford and doesn’t fade from games like Saka as well as just looking much more talented than either
Highlights my own ignorance from someone who's watched the majority of Madrid's big CL ties in the last 18 months, but in my head he's gone from being very good to an absolute world beater. There was more or less no part of that Madrid performance that catered to him and he still had all bar one of the match's best moments.
Feel dumb for thinking he'll never make it when he started out at Madrid.
The thing is he could improve so much further than he already has, he also never goes hiding when the big stage comes calling and that's an invaluable asset to have in a player if you're hoping to compete for the biggest prizes the way Madrid do.
The thing is he could improve so much further than he already has, he also never goes hiding when the big stage comes calling and that's an invaluable asset to have in a player if you're hoping to compete for the biggest prizes the way Madrid do.
To be fair, it was bad…had all the signs of just another kid more interested in trickery and lacking the vision for game management. Along with the poor touches and misses and whatnot….
Incredible how much he has improved. I was wrong about him as well. Thought last season might have been a fluke but he has been carrying our attack.
Pinning all hope on him for next week.
Quality player.
What a player. The ease with which he eats up space on a football pitch and that too with technical quality rather than just kick and run, is lovely to watch.
Yeah the finishing and the abysmal descion making had me believe he wasn't really up to it as you in most cases you don't really develop those things out of thin air, but his transform has been magnificent.
The best wide forward in the world currently, bar none.
He’s like a better version of Neymar when Neymar was at his age.
He’s like a better version of Neymar when Neymar was at his age.
Not even in a millon years, in my opinion. I guess it's the hype of the moment.
Pretty long moment since he’s been performing at this level for 2 years now.
2014 Neymar was excellent, but he had far better partners in Messi and Suarez than Benzema+ Rodrygo. He never had to carry an attack at CL level the way Vinicius is doing now.
Not really at all, do you not remember Neymar at Barcelona as part of the Messi Suarez trio?
Hs carried Barcelona’s attack many a time, he had performances just like Vini had today pretty regularly. Vini has been playing with the ballon d’or winning striker himself, and if anything there is some benefits indivually with not playing with Messi, even if it’s how peoples perception is shaped ‘But he played with Messi’ used as a stick to beat you with, when he more than held his own.
Been one of the top 3 players in the world with Mbappe and probably Haaland purely on the numbers, though the other 2 are far more talented and able to do it all on their own types.
Ronaldo had very similar numbers in 06/07 where he turned 22 before the end of the season. The next year he jumped to 42 goals... Don't think Vini will ever turn into that, and I hope he remains a tricky winger rather than start changing into a goal obsessed player.
I watched enough of Neymar that year including at the WC. The Ballon D’Or winner you spoke of has declined a lot this year, he could have the odd good matches but he isn’t anywhere near clinical as he was last year, Madrid fans can attest to this.
Playing with peak Messi was limiting in some ways, but better in others, not to mention you also have a peak Suarez that worked like a dog and was ten times more productive than Rodrygo.
I would give it to Neymar that he performed extremely well in the CL KO stages that year, even if the whole team went up a level in the 2nd half of the season, 7 goals from the quarters to final were Ronaldo-esque. However, Barca weren’t dependent on him for a result the way Madrid is now with Vinicius.
Plus, Vinicius doesn’t play act anywhere near as much, so another point in his favour.
I would say he doesn't get targeted as much by the opposition either but that's another debate
All it takes for Vinicius to reach world-class status, in the end, was a just a mental coach for 1 month.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/manchester-united-offered-chance-to-sign-vinicius-junior.464250/
Meanwhile Sancho...
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/manchester-united-offered-chance-to-sign-vinicius-junior.464250/
Meanwhile Sancho...
Yeah look at the scrubs Vinicius is playing with
Vini doesn't get targeted as much as Neymar did? Are you sure?
He's electric.
He is an exceptional player. I envy Madrid for their baldness in their approach to South America market. So many top players they get for absolute peanuts.
Why isn't his talent simply being celebrated or at least acknowledged in tandem with comparing him to others?
Bit weird this has been solely a pissing contest vs Mbappe and Neymar as opposed to talking about what he is and what he brings to the table.
Besides which, even if all 3 had the same nominal position, there's 3 distinct categories of player there whose roles barely overlap. In other words, it's not even like-for-like comparison.
Bit weird this has been solely a pissing contest vs Mbappe and Neymar as opposed to talking about what he is and what he brings to the table.
Besides which, even if all 3 had the same nominal position, there's 3 distinct categories of player there whose roles barely overlap. In other words, it's not even like-for-like comparison.
While generally I agree with you on how good they are in the SA market, didn't they pay a huge fee to secure Vinicius at a young age? They did that with someone, it may very well be him. It was laughed at at the time, as people tend to do, but they turned out to be the winners in the end.
In general though Real do really good business in the SA market.
No, but a PL record bid might do the trick if we lay our groundwork right. The media campaign and racism against Vinicius in Spain are reaching insane levels and it must be wearing him down. I'd be on his agents ear 24/7 telling him he wont have to deal with that kind of treatment in the Premiership.I didn’t realise his contract is due to expire next summer, interesting times ahead
Straight swap with Rashford?
He is amazing player.
Neymar was a different level.
Regardless, I think yesterday he showed himself up as the best player in the world at the moment. Fabulous goal.
Benzema 22/23: 21G 4A (CL + Liga)
Rodrygo 22/23: 11G 11A (CL + Liga)
Vinicius 22/23: 17G 15A (CL + Liga)
Vinicius has 34.7% of goals and 50% of the assists.
Messi 14/15: 53G 27A (CL + Liga)
Suarez 14/15: 23G 19A (CL + Liga)
Neymar 14/15: 32G 9A (CL + Liga)
Neymar had 29.6% of the goal and 16.3% of the assists.
The latter was just a far, far superior attack and while you can argue that Neymar was more creative than his assist number suggests, both the eye test and the stats do suggest that they didn’t rely on him anywhere near as much as Madrid’s attack is relying on Vinicius now. And Vinicius has more games to bump up his numbers even further.
Vini and Rodrygo cost us a combined €120M in tranfers and agent fees. As a pair of 16 year olds. It was 2 huge gambles that paid off. There's a third, Reiner, who so far appears to be a miss
Madrid's tactic is having Vinicious staying up the pitch while defending. It was why Bernardo Silva was in acres of space, particularly in the first half. It works too, that led to Real's first goal being scored.
Don’t know what changed Perez’s approach but your business since he got elected again after Calderon has been generally excellent, for nearly 15 years. Only Kaka, James Rodriguez and Hazard are high-profile flops, the business refreshing that 3peat CL side in particular is astounding, Camavinga, Valverde, Tchouameni, Bellingham, Vini, Rodrygo. If this kid Endrick turns out to be an adequate successor to Benzema then you can be set for the next 5 years at least, with investment only in the defense.
Endrick looks like he might be pretty good as well.
Looked fantastic yesterday again