Before later refusing to play for them. If he doesnt do ask the manager asks of him he thinks hes above the club
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Before later refusing to play for them. If he doesnt do ask the manager asks of him he thinks hes above the club
It is defiantly more of a relief for me, the idea of him replacing DDG would have been a huge disaster. Do not know who I would be scared more of, Fergie in his prime? or LVG?
Tell him to stop sending me bloody messages, if he wants to stalk someone make it Van Gaal.
I can't see the tweets at work. What has actually happened?
He posted a pic showing 3 reserve games he played in with 'respect?' as the caption?
His picture proves nothing. Van Gaal said he refused to play for the U21s and Valdes posting this picture doesn't mean he didn't refuse it just shows he played in three of them. 1 in January, 1 in February and 1 in March.
We had 7 U21s game after that and he didn't play in any of them so I assume it was during that period that he refused. And for a goalkeeper that had been rehabilitated and hadn't played football for a long time the logical thing would be to play for the reserves.
The presser made me laugh, but it's true that LVG should have kept that one in house, he put Valdes in an awkward situation.
Leaving Valdes hanging out to dry is stupid. Also potentially puts off other clubs. If he did refuse to play then there's no place for that here but deal with it in private.
What are you talking about? He still has a contract with United.
My only worry is this will become an open slugfest and that will never look good. Hope this gets sorted quickly and Valdes can move on to another club.
Imagine this being a normal job and your current manager has basically broadcasted that you are a lazy fecker. Never a good idea.
Looking at it that way makes it even worse.
If it was a normal job he'd have been fired for refusing to do what his manager asked him to do
I'm surprised some are even defending him. Valdes, injured for over a year, helped him rehabilitate and given a contract then refusing to play practice games.
Nothing wrong with LVG telling the truth.
Nothing wrong with LVG telling the truth.
Eh? No. There would have been a disciplinary hearing in which both sides would have been given the chance to put forth their side of the story. You don't get the pink slip because your manager does not fancy you.
Point is, I am all for kicking Valdes out of the club if he actually is not listening to the manager but to put this in front of the media is not the right way to go about it. This also reduces our ability to negotiate a good fees.
If Tevez managed to get a new club after City I guess poor old Valdes will manage to despite LVG 'slagging' the poor fellow.
I'm not defending such actions (if they're true) but there's clearly something more going on. LvG's arguments doesn't make sense.
LvG mentioned something about VV not following his philosophy and something about not following what he wants from a keeper training- and style-wise, yet he has extensive knowledge about the keeper from their time in Barcelona together. So, why give him a chance to rehabilitate and then go on and sign him? Valdes apparently refused to play an U-21 match yet he was selected for the first team squad for the second half of the campaign. He then decided to start him against Hull as a nice gesture so he could prove his worth with other potential suitors watching, yet decided to hang him out to dry as an unprofessional before he has left the club. I bit Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde from LvG here.
I am not even saying anything to the contrary. I am pointing out that it is insulting a man in front of the media. A footballer like Valdes won't have to worry about a job.
He didnt insult him, he said he didnt do as told, didnt stick with training regime and refused to play in U21 game. How is that insulting?
Ok. Insult was perhaps too strong a word. But he did hang him out to dry and not in a personal meeting but openly in the presser. Valdes is in the wrong if what LVG says is true but there are always two sides to a story and no one is infallible. If Valdes did make a mistake, kick him out of the club but it's better to keep matters in-house.
How is that not insulting?
Hopefully our next backup goalkeepers will have easier names, as apparently it is impossible to spell Lindegaard and Valdes right.
How is it insulting?
We were due for something like. Van Gaal has been known for having public fall outs with players. Luckily is was with a player that was inessential.
Regardless of whether it was true or not, would you not be insulted if your boss did a Facebook/Linkedin/whatever post basically stating how you weren't a hard worker and didn't follow his instructions. thus you were going to be let go?
With his statements he basically questioned his professionalism all out in public
Saying that what LvG did was not correct doesn't mean supporting Valdes. Valdes maybe wrong, but it could have been a private conversation with him and asking him to find a new club rather than telling the press he sucks.
I wouldnt have liked it to say the least but maybe the boss would do it if I really stepped over the line big time.
Anyway some of you are making too much of a big deal of this whole story. Cant wait for it to die down.
I'd much prefer this kind of shit was dealt with behind closed doors.
Public handbag throwing doesn't reflect well on anybody.
Public handbag throwing doesn't reflect well on anybody.
Get ready for another LVG presser in which he brings print outs which has list of all dates a reserve match was played and the time of the day when he asked Valdes to play in it and he refused.
Dont think that will happen.Get ready for another LVG presser in which he brings print outs which has list of all dates a reserve match was played and the time of the day when he asked Valdes to play in it and he refused.
We have already had a first not-so-subtle jab from Valdes' camp on twitter. This can get ugly pretty quickly if we don't do something to curb it.
at least we know why he spent so much of the hull match flapping at crosses, he was actually waving goodbye
bless him
bless him
Exactly, just looks bad.
Get ready for another LVG presser in which he brings print outs which has list of all dates a reserve match was played and the time of the day when he asked Valdes to play in it and he refused.
I bet you laughed your arse off when Benitez had his little 'facts' rant, but you'd think it was great if LVG did this.
He's the manager of the club, he'd have all authority to fire someone on the spot. Valdes is lucky
I was talking about a normal job and so were you when you quoted my post. As I said, LVG has every right to want rid of him if he does not want him at the club but the way to handle that should have been better.
LVG would have already made up his mind that Valdes is not needed before the presser. He might have a contract, but he was as good as gone by then. He could have easily said something like Valdes looking for a new club to play regular football or something else on similar lines. No controvery, no slugfest.
Get ready for another LVG presser in which he brings print outs which has list of all dates a reserve match was played and the time of the day when he asked Valdes to play in it and he refused.
The Rejection of Philosophy dossier. Can't wait to see a copy of that.
I concur that we should have handled it in a better way than to openly throw fists at each other. Just wanted to point out that your quote was incorrect and he is still our player,
Or the manager would be sued for unfair treatment and harassment.
Without reading this thread back too far is the theory that he will be offered to Valencia as part of the Otamendi deal? £3-£4 million off his fee maybe.
If what LVG said is true then it's hard to blame him for calling him out in the presser, we took a chance on him, no doubt put a lot of time into getting him fit again, and paid him handsomely, he should have unquestionably done everything that was asked him thereafter.
If what LVG said is true then it's hard to blame him for calling him out in the presser, we took a chance on him, no doubt put a lot of time into getting him fit again, and paid him handsomely, he should have unquestionably done everything that was asked him thereafter.
Have to hope now that Valdes quickly finds a new club and is moved on.
Whilst LvG has every right to want rid of him, whatever the circumstances, having your boss slag you off at a press conference when you've no right of reply is just plain wrong. This should have been dealt with between the player and LvG. In private.
Whilst LvG has every right to want rid of him, whatever the circumstances, having your boss slag you off at a press conference when you've no right of reply is just plain wrong. This should have been dealt with between the player and LvG. In private.
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