I am aware of that, But Victor's surname isn't spelt with a Z yet people still can't seem to grasp it.
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I am aware of that, But Victor's surname isn't spelt with a Z yet people still can't seem to grasp it.
LvG wasn't the first to do it. Its happened in the NFL as well....
http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Singletary-dropped-pants-at-halftime-3187610.php
I would say he has no reason to do this (make it public) regardless.
The only thing I can maybe see it as is a bit of posturing from the club about the De Gea situation - as in "we are so confident he is now going to stay, that we are selling Valdes anyway" - but that would be achieved without the situation going public.
I genuinely believe LvG wanted to set an example publicly that he is in charge and anyone even remotely questioning his methods (Philosophy) will be quickly ushered out. Surely, no player will refuse anything in training or during matches after this.
This wasn't just about missing the U21's, he refused to adapt himself as a goalkeeper to Manchester United. LvG also holds fitness very high in his decision to field players, if you're not fit you don't play. That's a simple outline that he holds all his players too and ensures his players stay on top of their fitness. When players have an ego or don't hold themselves to the highest standards and expect their talent to carry them, they don't have an attitude that would contribute to a dressing room that encourages cohesiveness. LvG follows the total human principle, so of course he is very empathetic but if you don't want to adapt yourself to the league/Manchester United, and then don't want to keep yourself fit... you don't belong. Falcao was given many chances last year, same with RvP despite their poor performances... they worked hard to get fit and to adapt their qualities to the system.
Edit: Those who don't follow the club's outline/philosophy of how to act and play wouldn't be involved anyway. This wasn't just missing a game, or getting drunk or whatever, this was refusing to keep himself fit (a huge principle of LvG) and refusing to adapt himself to the league/Manchester United.
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Lots of people trying to make a fuss over nothing here. Managers speak out about players quite a lot sometimes it needs to be done. On top of this is were we to sell Valdes with De Gea possibly on the verge of leaving without this explanation everybody would be questioning him as well so he can't really win.
Very strange. Valdes must have known De Gea was on the way out, why wouldn't he stick out a few reserve games and pick up the number one spot once he's gone? Unless he's heard otherwise. i.e we're not letting De Gea go, or we're signing a replacement.
Think LvG is just making an example of him. He's a big name, yet still fairly disposable. The perfect sacrifice to serve as demonstration to the rest of the team: You do what i say or you're out.
Think LvG is just making an example of him. He's a big name, yet still fairly disposable. The perfect sacrifice to serve as demonstration to the rest of the team: You do what i say or you're out.
It is almost like he posted this to prove his point, but has actually proved LvG's point instead.
Yep, Van Gaal could have been more discrete. On the other side, this entire mess wouldn't have existed if Valdez would have been professional. And he definitely wasn't by refusing to play in reserve matches.
Valdez was a player who hadn't played football for almost a year and no club was prepared to give him a contract (at least not a top club who can pay top wages). Van Gaal offered him so based on their previous relationship, and it is pretty much guaranteed that Valdez knows what he was getting (i.e that De Gea is No.1). Van Gaal doesn't give a shit for big names, he send a 250k/week striker playing there, he sends every player play there. Valdez hadn't played for a year and there was no chance that he was going to play for the first team a long as De Gea was fit. But if De Gea would have got injured then we would have been in deep shit because the second keeper isn't match fit cause he didn't fancy playing for the reserves.
Whatever Van Gaal did, he is on the right here. Even if the club has fined Valdez wages (and I hope this has happened) it would have been totally wait. When you get 5 millions or so in year, you don't refuse to play.
I'm tired of hearing the word "philosophy" used as a lame justification for cnuty behavior on LVG's part. At the very least just release Valdes and let him find another club. No need to poison the well in the process.
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If what LvG said was true about Valdes refusing to play in the reserve, then the decision to ship him out is the wise one (but admittedly, this could have been done in a more subtle fashion)
Valdes had been out of first team football for over a year and with his injury record, not many big clubs were willing to gamble to take him in and use him as a first choice GK. Man Utd has been quite generous for offering him a contract. He was asked to play in the reserve team simply because the manager wanted to maintain his fitness level and wanted to assess if he's ready to take the challenge. Both Fletcher, RvP and Falcao have been in this situation before. A lot of other players from other clubs who just returned from injury would have been asked to play in the reserve team as well. It is not as if Valdes was forced to play in all of the reserve games. Otherwise Valdes has all the rights to turn down LvG's requests.
It is also not surprising to see Valdes being used as a backup GK in the senior team. With DDG's quality and consistency, it was certainly out of the question to bench him and use Valdes instead especially when the team was fighting for the top 3. Cech's situation at Chelsea was even worse in my opinion. And at the moment, I think Liverpool is the only team in the top 6 that would use him as a first choice GK.
Valdes had been out of first team football for over a year and with his injury record, not many big clubs were willing to gamble to take him in and use him as a first choice GK. Man Utd has been quite generous for offering him a contract. He was asked to play in the reserve team simply because the manager wanted to maintain his fitness level and wanted to assess if he's ready to take the challenge. Both Fletcher, RvP and Falcao have been in this situation before. A lot of other players from other clubs who just returned from injury would have been asked to play in the reserve team as well. It is not as if Valdes was forced to play in all of the reserve games. Otherwise Valdes has all the rights to turn down LvG's requests.
It is also not surprising to see Valdes being used as a backup GK in the senior team. With DDG's quality and consistency, it was certainly out of the question to bench him and use Valdes instead especially when the team was fighting for the top 3. Cech's situation at Chelsea was even worse in my opinion. And at the moment, I think Liverpool is the only team in the top 6 that would use him as a first choice GK.
I can understand setting an example, I just cant understand the need for publicity. If LVG really feels the need to set a public example then he is much more insecure than I thought - if it was Rodgers doing it we would be laughing our asses off at him.
He clearly has a method to his madness whether you or I agree with it or not - he's been doing this for decades and probably knows exactly what he's doing.
I wonder who was in the front row?
Basti of course
We give the guy a chance to rehad, give him a contract, and then he refuses to play. LvG is not the one who is wrong here. I would have not made it public, but I see nothing wrong with it
I could undunderstand the outrage if it were a fan favorite like Rafael. Who has proven loyalty for the club and given blood sweat and tears. But Christ who the feck is Victor Valdés . Been here 5 mins as a favour and thinks he's the bees knees. He can feck off if he doesn't want to do what he's being paid to do. No problem with throwing him under the bus. Keeps the others on their toes. Van gaal knows he could have done that and got away with it while still sending out a message.
. Been here 5 mins as a favour and thinks he's the bees knees. He can feck off if he doesn't want to do what he's being paid to do. No problem with throwing him under the bus. Keeps the others on their toes. Van gaal knows he could have done that and got away with it while still sending out a message.This
Perfect thank you
Finally an exciting press conference!
best one yet (I keep saying that to every single one you post)Van Gaal just uses that word all the time, but what he's actually saying has little to do with his actual "philosophy". The justification for this is that Valdes did not respect the manager and refused to do what the manager asked. Van Gaal finds that unacceptable, and rightly so. That's his "philosophy" in this instance, it's nothing out of the ordinary
I could undunderstand the outrage if it were a fan favorite like Rafael. Who has proven loyalty for the club and given blood sweat and tears. But Christ who the feck is Victor Valdés
Don't be silly.
What do we make of Valdés tweet? The "Respect" one..
He does have a point..
He does have a point..
What's silly. If he thinks he's better than playing in reserves to keep up his match rhythm when everyone is subject to it, that sounds very egotistical to me. He's been here only 6 months after no one wanted him. If van gaal says he's been unprofessional I believe him... Hence the "thinks he's the bees knees"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ictor-Valdes-hits-back-at-Louis-van-Gaal.html
Victor Valdes hits back at Louis van Gaal - Telegraph
Speaking in Seattle ahead of Manchester United's first pre-season friendly, Louis van Gaal explained Valdes was not present on United's tour because the Spain World Cup winner "does not follow our philosophy and refused to play a second team game".
However Valdes has taken to Instagram to refute van Gaal's accusations, posting a collage of his previous appearances for Manchester United U21s along with the caption "?...#Respect"
He has also suggested that Van Gaal has shown him a lack of respect in going public with his claims.
Despite ongoing speculation around David de Gea's Manchester United future, Louis van Gaal - who said that his own job is under scrutiny this season - has insisted the former Barcelona keeper will now be sold.
Victor Valdes hits back at Louis van Gaal - Telegraph
Speaking in Seattle ahead of Manchester United's first pre-season friendly, Louis van Gaal explained Valdes was not present on United's tour because the Spain World Cup winner "does not follow our philosophy and refused to play a second team game".
However Valdes has taken to Instagram to refute van Gaal's accusations, posting a collage of his previous appearances for Manchester United U21s along with the caption "?...#Respect"
He has also suggested that Van Gaal has shown him a lack of respect in going public with his claims.
Despite ongoing speculation around David de Gea's Manchester United future, Louis van Gaal - who said that his own job is under scrutiny this season - has insisted the former Barcelona keeper will now be sold.
Does he? As someone posted already, it has been seven U21 games played since the last time he was part of the squad.
Well you actually said that "Who the feck is Valdes?" which I thought is silly considering his resume. That's all. I'm not actually defending him, but I believe there's more to the story than him refusing to play.
Oh well in that case,who the feck is valdes was in relation to what he has, or rather hasn't brought to the club. Yes he's won stuff with Barca, but he has claim to nothing at United, and was an unwanted man all the way to November. So yes, who the does he think he is. It's not like we signed him as some amazing champion of all goal keepers, promised him first team football and sent him into the reserves just for shits and giggles. He should be thanking us for giving him a chance to get back into football. So yes.. Who the feck is valdes
I'm fed up with all this talk about insulting behaviour, hanging him out to dry, etc.
He's a professional player whos professional life takes place in public. He's a person of public interest. He knows it. No matter how he behaves professionaly he should be aware of the fact it could end up in the media.
We're not talking about his private matters or his hobbies, we're talking about his job that he is paid for massively because of the public interest.
It's fair to me that the reasons are made public and nobody could name the reasons better than the person making the decision, in this case LvG.
The only IF I'd add would be IF Valdes didn't have a clue and really thought everything was fine, then it would've been wrong. But I really can't imagine him not flying to the States without talking to LvG about the reasons.
He's a professional player whos professional life takes place in public. He's a person of public interest. He knows it. No matter how he behaves professionaly he should be aware of the fact it could end up in the media.
We're not talking about his private matters or his hobbies, we're talking about his job that he is paid for massively because of the public interest.
It's fair to me that the reasons are made public and nobody could name the reasons better than the person making the decision, in this case LvG.
The only IF I'd add would be IF Valdes didn't have a clue and really thought everything was fine, then it would've been wrong. But I really can't imagine him not flying to the States without talking to LvG about the reasons.
The problem now is that Van Gaal has done this. What if De Gea decides to do the same?
I know he doesn't seem like that type of guy. But you never know.
I know he doesn't seem like that type of guy. But you never know.
De Gea has the Euros to play for. If he doesn't play this season, I doubt he'll get to start for Spain.
Well I'm not particularly concerned about Valdes, he was a United goalkeeper in name only really and for only part of a season. VG can't sell De Gea unless he has a suitable top class replacement so until that happens DG's not going anywhere. Perhaps Ramos's girlfriend could get pally with DG's girlfriend and tell her that England and United are the place to be.
Meh. The story was only noteworthy in that it explained why Valdes wasn't on the tour and that he had been told to find another club.
His #respect response just highlighted the fact that his relationship with LVG is broken beyond repair. He's as good as gone and I'm not going to miss him.
His #respect response just highlighted the fact that his relationship with LVG is broken beyond repair. He's as good as gone and I'm not going to miss him.
Exactly. But we've got ourselves into a position where that's a genuine choice for us. It's up to United what happens now. We don't care if we lose out on the money, and De Gea isn't going to throw a tantrum, so if we want to we can just keep him for another season. And as you say, for a hundred different reasons it's probably a now or never situation for Madrid, so we could very well just end up keeping him for good. Which is obviously the optimal outcome, because he's the second best keeper in the world.
I've heard he fell out with Frans Hoek as well and was quite critical of a lot of his training techniques. If a player who has come back from a long term injury doesnt understand the benefits of match sharpness and is arguing with coaches then he has to go.
for those saying LVG is a ballbreaker, you can see he is upset and disappointed with Valdes when he is talking about it. Kinda shocked after throwing him a safety rope when he needed one.
What was Valdes expecting, train 2 hours a day and just be goalkeeper of MUFC? we had no Europe, no carling cup. he was doing feck all anyway was he not bored?
What was Valdes expecting, train 2 hours a day and just be goalkeeper of MUFC? we had no Europe, no carling cup. he was doing feck all anyway was he not bored?
So who will? It won't be Casillas.
I remember Van Gaal mentioning a "twitch in his arse" a while back, Valdes must be the reason behind it.
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