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The reason managers don't criticise a player in public is because it can damage their relationship with them, making it harder for them to do their job and get good performances out of the player.
That does not apply here as Van Gaal, rightly, wants Valdes gone.
That does not apply here as Van Gaal, rightly, wants Valdes gone.
I think it is brilliant leadership from LvG. We have been complaining for years about the squad littered with players who are not willing to fight for a place, play in the reserves and happy to take a fat pay packet for doing nothing. These comments only highlight how well LvG is gripping this within the club and letting players know that it will be hard work at United.
His ruthlessness in management when dealing with players is exactly what the club needs during this transition period.
For me, he has got rid of the right players, I've been delighted with the players he's bought in and cannot wait for the season to get underway. The clubs handling on the DDG situation seems to be spot on so far and whether he stays another season and goes on a free, or we get a huge fee for him, I don't think we can say the club didn't do enough.
His ruthlessness in management when dealing with players is exactly what the club needs during this transition period.
For me, he has got rid of the right players, I've been delighted with the players he's bought in and cannot wait for the season to get underway. The clubs handling on the DDG situation seems to be spot on so far and whether he stays another season and goes on a free, or we get a huge fee for him, I don't think we can say the club didn't do enough.
As someone who doesn't rate Valdes and dreaded the thought of him replacing DDG, happy to see the back of him.
LVG could have contained this in-house though, without stating why in public. And the shiteous "oh he's just sooo brutally honest" thing is a wash. I'm sure SAF was brutally honest too, but sometimes he knew when to "lie" to the press and keep them out, and if he could do it, then LVG sure as feck can too. And this isn't out of sympathy for Valdes, as I said above, I couldn't care less for him.
LVG could have contained this in-house though, without stating why in public. And the shiteous "oh he's just sooo brutally honest" thing is a wash. I'm sure SAF was brutally honest too, but sometimes he knew when to "lie" to the press and keep them out, and if he could do it, then LVG sure as feck can too. And this isn't out of sympathy for Valdes, as I said above, I couldn't care less for him.
Big difference, Scholes was an established member of our team by then. Schmeichel also had bust up with SAF before, would he been as forgiving had either been new players that just joined us? I doubt so. LVG may have worked with Valdes before, but he himself was only here barely half a year earlier. He can't afford to let the other players see him go soft on a new signing challenging him.
Wouldn't be surprised it that was half of the U21 games since he signed going by how shoddy the system is.
Unlike most, I actually think they can work this one out.
^ He is an idiot for comparing the Scholes situation. In any case, if there was an issue with Valdes, we should just sold him without a full public disclosure. The player hasn't said anything. So there was no need for us to either. Could have simply said, he is being moved on.
Although tbf, we expected LVG to being completely frank.
Although tbf, we expected LVG to being completely frank.
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Oh dear 
Sounds like Valdes didn't really know there was a problem, especially considering his tweet from 2 days ago...
Sounds like Valdes didn't really know there was a problem, especially considering his tweet from 2 days ago...
Yeah real lack of class from lvg. This sort of thing makes the whole club a bit more like Chelsea. What a crap way of going about stuff by lvg. And Valdes. Everyone comes off looking like a prat.
Oh dear
Sounds like Valdes didn't really know there was a problem, especially considering his tweet from 2 days ago...
Or maybe he was just trying to dress it up nicely. Oh look, I'm working real hard...
People might find the honesty refreshing and what not, but I'd say LVG went too far here. Yeah, he's probably pissed off that a player he's helped regain full fitness hasn't done what was expected of him, but even still... it didn't really need a public airing at all. Valdes could have been moved on in a much more amicable fashion.
Unless Valdes wasnt being reasonable when clubs tried to talk to him and was going to sit on his contract, refusing to play for the reserves
Nothing refreshing about this. Let's be honest, you don't sign Victor Valdes and expect him to be happy in the reserves, and it's not like he never played for them.
At a time when your main goalkeeper has his agent manufacturing a move to Real Madrid, I'd have thought Valdes would get chances.
I get the feeling the underlying issue is LVG doesn't rate Valdes and wants to ship him out on that basis and has found some sort of excuse, but ultimately just looks like a bit of a dick.
At a time when your main goalkeeper has his agent manufacturing a move to Real Madrid, I'd have thought Valdes would get chances.
I get the feeling the underlying issue is LVG doesn't rate Valdes and wants to ship him out on that basis and has found some sort of excuse, but ultimately just looks like a bit of a dick.
I do think LVG was extra disappointed in Valdes because he knew him before so Valdes should know better. Falcao wasn't keen on the under 21's either but it's a two way thing. Victor could have done with the games and the kids would have loved to play against and face him in all the under 21 games. Valdes might have got more games that way. It's disappointing as Valdes is an intelligent guy. I do think LVG has taken it personally.
The guy missed a fair bit of football. You need games to get back to fitness, regardless of the level.
The guy missed a fair bit of football. You need games to get back to fitness, regardless of the level.
So if he didnt say it we all would wonder why he's off?
Now he has said it its wrong cause he went to far.
I still understand why he went too far or sthing, he didnt say anything special. Would if it be so much different if he had just said he didnt stick to training regime?
Now he has said it its wrong cause he went to far.
I still understand why he went too far or sthing, he didnt say anything special. Would if it be so much different if he had just said he didnt stick to training regime?
No, but given our financial strength we'll consider it a win to keep him for another season even if that means losing him for nothing next summer.
On top of that, as I said, we'll know that there's any number of ways in which the situation at Madrid might have changed by next summer. They might have a new manager who doesn't want De Gea, or the political situation might mean there's a different player who they have to try and get to appease the fans, or they might have bought some other Spanish keeper (like Casilla) who will have won over the fans.
It was never going to take a long time for LVG, was it? We all know his so-called methods by now. He crosses the lines sometime or a lot of times. There was no need for this open slugfest. When he's not your player anymore, no need to even comment about him.
There is a chance DDG will renew.
I mean I probably would in his position if I couldn't get the Real move this summer. It doesn't really stop him moving clubs and gives him more money until he does.
I mean I probably would in his position if I couldn't get the Real move this summer. It doesn't really stop him moving clubs and gives him more money until he does.
as poor as it is from Valdes to refuse to play for U21s, it is worse from the manager to not have some sense of self-control.
he set himself up for a response from Valdes which will show him in a poor light which was unnecessary
he set himself up for a response from Valdes which will show him in a poor light which was unnecessary
Nobody is asking Valdes to be happy playing for the reserves. But if you're asked to play, you play. If you dont do what the manager wants you to do, you're obviously gone. There is clearly a reason why LVG spoke about this in public, when hes kept all of the goings on with other players (ddg, van persie, etc) private. Most likely its that the player you've told to find a new club is posting pictures suggesting he's staying and isnt taking offers that are too good for him from the likes of Valencia.
Indeed, but players are also human beings, and mostly spoilt ones, they make mistakes. Sure if someone goes too far then there's no way back usually and as I said I don't care much here (though he could have dealt differently with it publicly).
But SAF didn't release Scholes when he refused to play. He also had a lot of patience at times when Rooney (when he was young and a great player) was off partying and / or off form and instead we heard by SAF how he had a virus or was injured. There are lots of other examples, too with players. It will be seen if LvG has done that with Valdes because he is not that important and will deal differently if a more important player behaves like that or does something stupid.
Obviously LvG has to deal with stuff like that, but do it internally and only in public if he wants to acchieve something specific by it. You just can't in every case call out for a player in public and leave yourself and the player no way back if a mistake by the player is made, that will be very costly for the club if a more important player is involved and let go as a result.
I agree with this. If he's gone, he's gone, no need to make things so public.
Sends out a message to everyone. Refusing to play for the reserves, feck him.
Incredible.
He was asked a question, he answered it. Obviously he could've fudged it, but it would come out either way that Valdes had some sort of attitude problem being #2. In the end, this is about sub-keeper leaving and will be forgotten very quickly.
Valdes may be acting difficult about moving on which is why Van Gaal has no problem speaking out like that to the press. He could have called him out last season but instead he even gave him a chance to showcase his ability when De Gea got injured
I don't think in this life or the next there will be a manger that would refuse De Gea given the choice. THe fans want De Gea now and we will milk Perez dry for him or not sell him altogether. They're in a really bad position with Iker going and they have no choice but to pay up.
I hope we don't sell to them and they buy someone like Leno because that will be the end of the De Gea saga.
Some people need to actually watch the press conference and not just read the headlines. Nothing he said was ruthless. LvG clearly considers Valdes gone, and so he doesn't have to protect him.
Shots fired, top bantz etc..
I get the feeling that van Gaal only made this public so that he could send a message to his players that he cannot be toyed with. He wants and expects the full effort and dedication from his players on his approach and expectations, and if a player doesn't work hard enough, van Gaal will get him out.
The fact that van Gaal talked about Valdes not suiting his philosophy as a whole means that him skipping U-21 matches isn't the only reason for van Gaal looking to offload Valdes. Something else may have happened behind the scenes that van Gaal may not have liked, but he only brought up the U-21 reason just to not bring up the other issues.
The fact that van Gaal talked about Valdes not suiting his philosophy as a whole means that him skipping U-21 matches isn't the only reason for van Gaal looking to offload Valdes. Something else may have happened behind the scenes that van Gaal may not have liked, but he only brought up the U-21 reason just to not bring up the other issues.
14 games from the Liverpool game to the end of the season. He played in 3, all at home, all against big sides.
Yup, he mentioned a training regime too.
Well he performed poorly, theres that major factor
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