[dasty]

Valdes was injured in March 2014, and we only officially signed him in January, so he had not been playing any games for about 9 months. We have also signed him to a 18-month contract, which I imagine would be quite a sum due to his reputation. In 6 months, he played 3 U-21 games, and all against big sides. That is nowhere near enough game time for Valdes to be match fit, and if you're paid that much yet you refuse to listen to what your manager tells you to do, that is being unprofessional, no matter how you spin it.

Yes, LVG might not need to tell the media everything about Valdes, but this is something expected because this is LVG we are talking about. He will either be 100% honest about it or not talk about it at all.

 

[jem]

I'm not defending such actions (if they're true) but there's clearly something more going on. LvG's arguments doesn't make sense.

LvG mentioned something about VV not following his philosophy and something about not following what he wants from a keeper training- and style-wise, yet he has extensive knowledge about the keeper from their time in Barcelona together. So, why give him a chance to rehabilitate and then go on and sign him? Valdes apparently refused to play an U-21 match yet he was selected for the first team squad for the second half of the campaign. He then decided to start him against Hull as a nice gesture so he could prove his worth with other potential suitors watching, yet decided to hang him out to dry as an unprofessional before he has left the club. I bit Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde from LvG here.

This is what I feel too. If what he says about Valdes is true, then no sympathy for the player, but it makes no sense that he would have wanted to help him by starting him against Hull. I love LVG, and I wish Moyes had been a bit more ruthless with the likes of Rio, but there is the fear of the inevitable LVG-team falling out raising its ugly head here. I can't imagine this sort of thing will help us win the heart of the DDG (perhaps that ship has sailed anyway,) nor strengthen our hand in recruiting new players (although I guess money is the ultimate motivator in that respect.)

All in all, I'll trust LVG on this, despite the lingering sense of unease.

 

[NK86]

Valdes was injured in March 2014, and we only officially signed him in January, so he had not been playing any games for about 9 months. We have also signed him to a 18-month contract, which I imagine would be quite a sum due to his reputation. In 6 months, he played 3 U-21 games, and all against big sides. That is nowhere near enough game time for Valdes to be match fit, and if you're paid that much yet you refuse to listen to what your manager tells you to do, that is being unprofessional, no matter how you spin it.

Yes, LVG might not need to tell the media everything about Valdes, but this is something expected because this is LVG we are talking about. He will either be 100% honest about it or not talk about it at all.

That is not true at all. He certainly knows when to be discreet. He didn't say much about what he discussed with RvP and is certainly not telling anything about what discussions are going on with Di Maria.

 

[rover]

when explaining the reason of why:

. lvg deliberately corrected from "my" to "our" philosophy
. and after giving all those footballing reasons he further elaborated "That is one aspect of our philosophy but there are a lot of others for how you play like a goalkeeper for Manchester United"

i'm convinced those "lot of others" are the key things of the valdes drop out

 

[Browniee]

You're a professional football player an average around 15 years, it flies by. If you don't give 100% in that time then goodbye. LvG is in his own right to do what he did, Valdes is 33 and an experienced international footballer, he knows the score, there's no excuses

 

[Pogue Mahone]

We had 7 U21 games after Valdes' last appearance for the U21s and he didn't play in any of them.

I have no problem with what Van Gaal said. After watching the press conference it wasn't that ruthless just very honest. He clearly mentioned that he feels disappointed in Valdes and it's understandable.
Valdes had been out for a long time with that knee injury and Van Gaal gave him a chance to train at United and later offered him a new contract. He obviously understood that he was backup to De Gea and for a keeper that had been out that long it would make sense for him to get game time for the U21s.

Well there you go. That really is taking the piss. If he had a bit more match practice he might kept out the Arsenal equaliser.

 

[Cooksen]

He has pretty much pissed away a starting spot which is a massive shame.

 

[rover]

some cafers brought out a very good point, lvg only brought out the valdes case but others into the public.

my verdict is, lvg spoke it out for somebody he's answering to

 

[fallengt]

This has became a joke now. I hope Valdes just call it a day and move on.
When was the last time our manager and player use social network & media to criticize each other ? Bloody hell.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

Have to hope now that Valdes quickly finds a new club and is moved on.

Whilst LvG has every right to want rid of him, whatever the circumstances, having your boss slag you off at a press conference when you've no right of reply is just plain wrong. This should have been dealt with between the player and LvG. In private.

Why?

I like Van Gaal's honesty. And Valdes has plenty of time to explain his side. The club let Valdes recover from a bad injury, and then offered him a contract. It's obvious that players need to maintain their match fitness and sharpness, but Valdes wasn't humble enough play in the reserves while waiting for his opportunity. We can't have players like that in the team, as Van Gall explained.
Thought it was also a nice touch what he said about chicharito.

 

[dasty]

That is not true at all. He certainly knows when to be discreet. He didn't say much about what he discussed with RvP and is certainly not telling anything about what discussions are going on with Di Maria.

Because he don't want to talk about them, so he did not talk about them...

 

[prath92]

People questioning Lvg s professionalism, should also question valdes' . He posts a picture on Twitter Instagram and Facebook. The real professional way to reply is to respond like gundogan in a letter/statement or give an interview utmost. Not by posting pictures as if he is the admin of troll football

 

[devilish]

I think that LVG is passing a message here ie there is no us (LVG signings) and them (SAF-Moyes signings). He's been ruthless with SAF's men and now he's showing that he can be ruthless even with the people he brought in. Also kindly note that while rare, SAF did washed his dirty linen in the public. Case in point was Wayne Rooney

 

[Ramshock]

What is Valdes game? What does he hope to achieve? fecking ingrate!

 

[Woodzy]

LvG got pissed off with his refusal to follow orders and wants him gone. Not an issue for me. Do what the boss says or go. Unless the boss is wrong and the player in question is class, then we can cry.

 

[NK86]

Because he don't want to talk about them, so he did not talk about them...

Erm.... That is what discreet means.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

Yeah, there's a difference between a player simply not being good enough, and someone being defiant.
It would be wrong for Van Gaal to publicly malign a player because they've lost form, or are not able to keep up with the standard, but when a player is openly defiant to what the manager requires, that deserves the kind of slap we saw last night.

 

[Al-T]

Why?

I like Van Gaal's honesty. And Valdes has plenty of time to explain his side. The club let Valdes recover from a bad injury, and then offered him a contract. It's obvious that players need to maintain their match fitness and sharpness, but Valdes wasn't humble enough play in the reserves while waiting for his opportunity. We can't have players like that in the team, as Van Gall explained.
Thought it was also a nice touch what he said about chicharito.

As I said, van Gaal is perfectly entitled to want rid of Valdes for whatever reason. He's the manager. End of story.

Valdes, however, is still an employee of Manchester United. Like the employee of any organisation he is entitled to the courtesy of his manager dealing with matters affecting his current and future employment with the organisation in confidence. He's also a human being. Is it right that anyone's boss uses the media to criticise their manner, attitude and application when they are not there to counter with their version of the story?

Valdes may indeed have time to explain his side, however, this will likely play out as an unedifying series of accusations and counter accusations in the press or on Social Media. To me, that doesn't reflect well on Manchester United, it could have been avoided and, pragmatically, if De Gea does go to Madrid, clubs we may be negotiating with for his replacement will know our situation is urgent.

I'm all for honesty, frankness and less anodyne interviews with footballers and managers but in this instance, I believe van Gaal got it wrong.

 

[NK86]

I think that LVG is passing a message here ie there is no us (LVG signings) and them (SAF-Moyes signings). He's been ruthless with SAF's men and now he's showing that he can be ruthless even with the people he brought in. Also kindly note that while rare, SAF did washed his dirty linen in the public. Case in point was Wayne Rooney

Yes, that benefited the club as it put us on the front foot tackling the Rooney problem. How does this benefit the club in anyway? Valdes is not even remotely as important as Rooney was, nor are we trying to keep him. LVG basically called him out to be an undisciplined/unprofessional player.

 

[settembrini]

I don't see why Van Gaal should have to lie to the national press to protect a player who has behaved so poorly that we are getting rid of him.

 

[devilish]

Yes, that benefited the club as it put us on the front foot tackling the Rooney problem. How does this benefit the club in anyway? Valdes is not even remotely as important as Rooney was, nor are we trying to keep him. LVG basically called him out to be an undisciplined/unprofessional player.

In Rooney's case it didn't benefited the club in this case I think it will

 

[vidic blood & sand]

As I said, van Gaal is perfectly entitled to want rid of Valdes for whatever reason. He's the manager. End of story.

Valdes, however, is still an employee of Manchester United. Like the employee of any organisation he is entitled to the courtesy of his manager dealing with matters affecting his current and future employment with the organisation in confidence. He's also a human being. Is it right that anyone's boss uses the media to criticise their manner, attitude and application when they are not there to counter with their version of the story?

Valdes may indeed have time to explain his side, however, this will likely play out as an unedifying series of accusations and counter accusations in the press or on Social Media. To me, that doesn't reflect well on Manchester United, it could have been avoided and, pragmatically, if De Gea does go to Madrid, clubs we may be negotiating with for his replacement will know our situation is urgent.

I'm all for honesty, frankness and less anodyne interviews with footballers and managers but in this instance, I believe van Gaal got it wrong.

I understand what you're saying, but in this specific case, it is Van Gaal's judgment that is being questioned. Why in the world would he leave his number 2 keeper at home?
No one could understand it. May as well just be honest about it I reckon. When players are frustrated with their club, they ask for a transfer. When clubs are frustrated, they put players on the transfer list. It would be difficult for Van Gaal to try and explain why Valdes had been transfer listed, especially when the number 1 goalkeeper's future is vague.

 

[Lentwood]

It's a statement of intent from van Gaal, basically letting it be known that he will take no shit from anybody. Have no sympathy for Valdes at all, better players than him have played for our Reserves and handled it like a professional should

 

[NK86]

In Rooney's case it didn't benefited the club in this case I think it will

How did it not benefit the club? The fans got to know that the club is trying all it can to get him to sign. We put him on the back foot and although we did sign him on high wages, it was still a win than it would have been if we would have had to sell him to City or had he walked on a free next season.

 

[redevil2]

Have to hope now that Valdes quickly finds a new club and is moved on.

Whilst LvG has every right to want rid of him, whatever the circumstances, having your boss slag you off at a press conference when you've no right of reply is just plain wrong. This should have been dealt with between the player and LvG. In private.

Agreed! To be honest, I found LvG quite unprofessional publicly condemning Valdes. He still wants to play at high level football and to be publicly slagged off by your manager like that would certainly ruin his reputation and future. There is absolutely no reasons throwing him under the bus.

Fining him there and then should having been a better option. What happened in the dressing room stays in the dressing room. The iron turnip is brutal.

 

[devilish]

How did it not benefit the club? The fans got to know that the club is trying all it can to get him to sign. We put him on the back foot and although we did sign him on high wages, it was still a win than it would have been if we would have had to sell him to City or had he walked on a free next season.

As said I think that LVG is sending a message ie he is ruthless not only towards players who weren't brought by him but also with others. Sometimes managers do love to spill the beans especially to justify controversial decisions with players who refuse to stay inside the ranks. SAF did that when he was thinking of getting rid of Rooney. Now LVG is doing the same with Valdes

 

[sajeev]

As said I think that LVG is sending a message ie he is ruthless not only towards players who weren't brought by him but also with others. Sometimes managers do love to spill the beans especially to justify controversial decisions with players who refuse to stay inside the ranks. SAF did that when he was thinking of getting rid of Rooney. Now LVG is doing the same with Valdes

but he is not doing it very well.

Fergie did the same to an extent, but he just questioned Rooney's desire to continue playing for the club while Van Gaal's statement seems to question Valdes' professionalism, there is a subtle difference which adds up to much more unfortunately and could have been avoided

 

[JustAFan]

What's Valdes ever done for us?

 

[devilish]

but he is not doing it very well.

Fergie did the same to an extent, but he just questioned Rooney's desire to continue playing for the club while Van Gaal's statement seems to question Valdes' professionalism, there is a subtle difference which adds up to much more unfortunately and could have been avoided

Are you sure about that?



According to SAF, Wayne Rooney was fickle (he first said that he wanted to stay for life and than he changed his opinion) and lied about his injury. We're talking here of a world class forward who won us many honours not some wreck which we resurrected his career

 

[Sam]

Valdes deserves everything he got last night.

You can tell that LVG is personally hurt by Valdes' actions, considering what he's done for him and their past relationship.

Some people just can't wait to jump on LVG's back.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

Oh I just love revisionism. Thanks devilish for that link.

 

[devilish]

Oh I just love revisionism. Thanks devilish for that link.

I hope no one blames me of criticising SAF now. I always agreed with his idea of keeping things under wraps. However there come a time when you simply cant do it anymore. For example imagine the scene if United allowed Rooney to go without saying nothing. The fans would have gone into meltdown as accusations towards the club would have reached ridiculous heights.

Valdes is not as important as Rooney is however with DDG leaving his actions does put us into a bad situation. He stipped us from the only advantage we had, ie trying to sign a new keeper without looking desperate for one. No wonder why LVG is pissed off. You dont treat someone who saved your career like that

 

[Kostur]

What's Valdes ever done for us?

Exactly, I'm baffled reading this thread. Guy who we've helped recovering, his old manager brought him in, gave him money, chance to train, then signed a fecking contract with him, tells LVG to feck off when he asks him to play in reserves in order to regain his form. Not only is he a knob but as well an idiot, he's had a chance of becoming an integral part of our squad, maybe even as a #1 goalkeeper as DDG will be a goner next year and he blew it.

He's played two fecking matches for us. Two. Absolutely no reason for any sentiments. He's done more harm than good.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

I hope no one blames me of criticising SAF now. I always agreed with his idea of keeping things under wraps. However there come a time when you simply cant do it anymore. For example imagine the scene if United allowed Rooney to go without saying nothing. The fans would have gone into meltdown as accusations towards the club would have reached ridiculous heights.

Valdes is not as important as Rooney is however with DDG leaving his actions does put us into a bad situation. He stipped us from the only advantage we had, ie trying to sign a new keeper without looking desperate for one. No wonder why LVG is pissed off. You dont treat someone who saved your career like that

Its not a criticism of Fergie. Its just pointing out that he's done similar things to people who claim that he would never done such a thing.

 

[Siorac]

At least when Valdes goes people can stop spelling his name VALDEZ, Been my pet hate on here for months. Not sure how and why you would put Z on the end rather than S.

Because Valdez is a perfectly common name in many Spanish (and Portuguese) speaking countries.

 

[::sonny::]

3 games in 6 months

 

[FCBarca]

LVGs reputation is well known as is Valdes'. Much ado about nada

 

[crossy1686]

Well, we're definitely in the market for a new goalkeeper now! Valdes should be gone before they even return from the tour with a bit of luck.

 

[Blodssvik]

In most likelihood both are partly at fault, but one is the boss. I don't know why so many ventilate strong opinions as if they had all the facts though.

 

[::sonny::]