he was asked the question and forced to elaborate
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This is why finding a number 2 GK is trickier than some think.Patience sometimes is even more important than quality unless you want to find a new one every 2-3 seasons.That's why I always hope a homegrown GK whoever that is will be good enough (and must be good enough) to step up as they're generally more patient than imports.
Same with Falcao, Valdes shown in his U21s appearances that he's not good enough (anymore) to have a bigger role with the first team.Fitness might be an excuse but we shouldn't keep someone with that fitness level either.
Same with Falcao, Valdes shown in his U21s appearances that he's not good enough (anymore) to have a bigger role with the first team.Fitness might be an excuse but we shouldn't keep someone with that fitness level either.
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You don't criticise a player in public.
That's low from LvG in a presser. He could have just said he's left him behind for other reasons like personal training regime.
That's low from LvG in a presser. He could have just said he's left him behind for other reasons like personal training regime.
I didn't mean to criticize LVG, just the way fans keep repeating it as if it's very "cool" or that no player should mess with "LVG's philosophy". Sometimes the Caf feels like it's populated by teenagers only. Maybe it is.
It's the club's philosophy going forward, otherwise we would see the board and Ed Woodward clashing with LvG. LvG has also definitely adapted the philosophy to what's best for the club and it isn't anything cool. The philosophy is how you conduct yourself as a person and how you perform on the pitch, having a clear outline (or "philosophy") to follow will only help cohesiveness within the squad.
LvG could have said something more diplomatic, but then again, it is LvG.
Maybe LvG could have not elaborated so much and ended the topic diplomatically. Problem is, he is brutally honest and though he tries to try to side step some questions, he basically likes calling a spade a spade. Valdes must have pissed him off badly.
I can't think of a manager who hasn't criticised one of his players in public.
I personally like Van Gaal's honesty.
I like the honesty, but by the sounds of it he probably went too far. Valdes must have really annoyed him though.
There seem to be more people blaming LVG than Valdes in this thread.
This reflects very poorly on Valdes. He basically used us as a glorified rehab clinic, while getting paid for sitting on the bench. No intention of fighting for his place in the side, which suggests to me he was never interested in staying with us anyway.
This reflects very poorly on Valdes. He basically used us as a glorified rehab clinic, while getting paid for sitting on the bench. No intention of fighting for his place in the side, which suggests to me he was never interested in staying with us anyway.
It would put us in a tight spot if DDG leaves as well. We'll probably have to pay a premium to get a top class keeper (depending on our relations with the selling club)
For once someone actually said what is going to happen. Do not know why so many people blame van Gaal? Seems to me that Valdes wanted something for given when he should have fought for a starting place.
I have no issue with van Gaal being so blunt, especially to a player we helped recover from a serious injury.
"He doesn't follow my philosophy. There is no place for someone like that," said Van Gaal of his January signing.
Last year, he refused to play in the second team and there are other aspects you need as a keeper at United.
"It is a big disappointment. It is a pity because we have given him the opportunity to rehabilitate, gave him a contract and then he is fit to play."
"When you are not willing to follow those principles, there is only one way and that is out.
"I played him at Hull because I wanted to help. I am always a very social human being."
He isn't just mindlessly and randomly disprespecting players. For De Gea who wants to leave he says : "I cannot say anything. His attitude is fantastic. It is stupid to ask."
I have no issue with van Gaal being so blunt, especially to a player we helped recover from a serious injury.
"He doesn't follow my philosophy. There is no place for someone like that," said Van Gaal of his January signing.
Last year, he refused to play in the second team and there are other aspects you need as a keeper at United.
"It is a big disappointment. It is a pity because we have given him the opportunity to rehabilitate, gave him a contract and then he is fit to play."
"When you are not willing to follow those principles, there is only one way and that is out.
"I played him at Hull because I wanted to help. I am always a very social human being."
He isn't just mindlessly and randomly disprespecting players. For De Gea who wants to leave he says : "I cannot say anything. His attitude is fantastic. It is stupid to ask."
This is why I love LVG, he doesn't feck around. Have to trust LVG that Valdes really pissed him off.
Refusing to play in the 2nd team is kind of weird. You would think that Valdes knew what he was in for when he singed in January. Did he think that he would be playing ahead of De Gea.
Regardless, from what we know of the situation, I think it's good that he's gone. Hopefully we get Romero in shortly to replace him.
Refusing to play in the 2nd team is kind of weird. You would think that Valdes knew what he was in for when he singed in January. Did he think that he would be playing ahead of De Gea.
Regardless, from what we know of the situation, I think it's good that he's gone. Hopefully we get Romero in shortly to replace him.
Again, I'm not talking about the "philosophy" in itself so maybe you need to re-read my previous once more ?
I can see why some folks are saying he should van Gaal should have been more diplomatic or oblique...but to hell with him. If you are too good for your role, get on. Call a spade a spade.
If DDG stays for one more season, and we still have Lindegaard, why would we need a third senior keeper?
He probably thought he could just waltz in to the first team after De Gea leaves. I'm glad he was wrong. Good riddance.
Exactly. I'm glad LvG has called him out in public. Major shithousery from Valdes who used us as a injury rehabilitation home and didn't bother to work hard and play in the reserves.
Amazing. Some people are so precious. Oh poor Valdes being humiliated in public.
If fergie had said this, nobody would have batted an eye lid.
Feck him the lazy freeloader
LVG is letting everyone know he's up for sale.
If fergie had said this, nobody would have batted an eye lid.
Feck him the lazy freeloader
LVG is letting everyone know he's up for sale.
Poor from Valdes really.
LVG isn't fecking around. RVP and Valdes, two players he was apparently close to, both being sold.
LVG isn't fecking around. RVP and Valdes, two players he was apparently close to, both being sold.
Wow!I was anyway shitting at the thought of Valdes being GK when considering his weakness at corners and crosses. Good riddance.
Both for different reasons though. RVP was deemed surplus to requirement while Valdes acted poorly. I think LVG wanted to keep Valdes around but his attitude put a lid on that.
Soppy sausage, the only thing I didn't like is VG giving him playing time while knowing he was to be sold
What's low is Valdes being an ungrateful prick despite LVG helping him recuperate from injury.
I was happy for him to be our number one this season if DDG left, shame he blew his chance.
We are patient enough as a club to ride through the tantrums because we believe that players come and go but the manager is above all!
Except next year we don't have control over De Gea.
Anyone reckon this is just a public PR (almost smear) campaign to justify it all?
Don't get me wrong, it looks like he's going but...
All fair enough really.
Don't get me wrong, it looks like he's going but...
- We've committed to De Gea staying which also defied all financial logic and probably reneged on any hopes of first team action to Valdes for 18 months if he were to stay.
- He's fit again and is a senior goalkeeper in near-prime conditioning once more. While the philosophy here is for reserve action, the culture in Spain is to question decisions and when he's a player of that calibre (top 5 on form, previous top 3) it's entirely reasonable.
All fair enough really.
No where near enough games last season for Valdes to be sitting on his arse instead of playing reserve games.
I'm fine with what he said. He didn't do what was asked, LvG didn't accept it and he's off, that's it.
I'm fine with what he said. He didn't do what was asked, LvG didn't accept it and he's off, that's it.
No, it is not reasonable to join a club and then refuse to play whilst taking your pay packet and using their world class facilities to get yourself back to fitness.
Valdes is in the wrong and it's completely unacceptable to refuse to play for the reserves when fit because you deem yourself 'above' that level. What kind of example does that set to the other players in the squad and the young players at the club?
I have no issue with LVG not keeping it behind closed doors. If he had done that and then sold Valdes this summer with a De Gea departure also looking quite possible... how many fans would have questioned his decision to sell Valdes? Now we all know the reasons why he'll be leaving the club, it's quite understandable.
I have no issue with LVG not keeping it behind closed doors. If he had done that and then sold Valdes this summer with a De Gea departure also looking quite possible... how many fans would have questioned his decision to sell Valdes? Now we all know the reasons why he'll be leaving the club, it's quite understandable.
Brilliant comments by van Gaal. I guess Romero rumours have some substance then, he'd be a good back up, van Gaal knows him very well from his time at AZ and would probably even be capable of replacing De Gea in the short term.whilst i think LVG was harsh to tell all in public i do have to wonder about Valdes' attitude.
maybe he thinks he's too good to play reserve football but every man and his dog knew that there'd be a very good chance that DDG would leave this summer and had he just gritted his teeth for 6 months he could well have been starting keeper next season at a new and improving united. instead he'll find himself at a middling club all because he wants to play it the big un. i'm not that bothered myself as i've never rated him that highly but he's messed up a great opportunity imo
maybe he thinks he's too good to play reserve football but every man and his dog knew that there'd be a very good chance that DDG would leave this summer and had he just gritted his teeth for 6 months he could well have been starting keeper next season at a new and improving united. instead he'll find himself at a middling club all because he wants to play it the big un. i'm not that bothered myself as i've never rated him that highly but he's messed up a great opportunity imo
Why not though?
Why should any player be allowed to behave in an unprofessional manner and not be called onfitnwss
LVG gave Valdes access to the best medical facilities time to regain his fitness and reprove himself. And then he refuses to play in a reserve game and expects to be shielded from the consequences.
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