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Comparing Scholes to Valdes...

Valdes was never happy being the #2, illustrated by his refusal to give up his ego to play for our second team to keep and regain his fitness.
 
FromTheBench said:


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Difference here being that Ferguson wasn't dumb enough to remove scholes based on that altercation because it would hurt Manchester United in the long run. If it had been Gibson or somebody of the like he wouldn't hesitate. Valdes is not good enough to be Manchester United no 1 and is getting a decent wage aswell. Selling him does not hurt united at all.
 
JPRouve said:
The problem here is that Van gaal is creating a team, he can't afford to let a player act as if he was above the rules, even less when it's a veteran who is supposed to be an example.
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Team creation and evolution is a continuous process. Not a one off thing.

My point is that he threw Valdes under the bus because he had less utility anyway. Won't possibly do the same with all other players.

mariachi-19 said:
Difference here being that Ferguson wasn't dumb enough to remove scholes based on that altercation because it would hurt Manchester United in the long run. If it had been Gibson or somebody of the like he wouldn't hesitate. Valdes is not good enough to be Manchester United no 1 and is getting a decent wage aswell. Selling him does not hurt united at all.
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I agree though we do however need a goalkeeper. I imagine the reason for Selling Valdes primarily would still be that he isn't seen as good enough to be number 1 and not happy being number 2 even if De Gea is sold. Rest all is slightly exaggerated grandstanding though might be a factor.

The whole thing could have been handled more tactfully and quietly.
 
Very weird situation.

He brought him on in the last game of the season to show what he could do and to help him find a new club. Then he goes about damaging his reputation by telling the journos he refused to play in the reserves.

So is he trying to help him move on or not?
 
"For example he refused last year to play in the second team, so. That's also one aspect of our philosophy, but there are a lot of other aspects in the philosophy; how you have to play like a goalkeeper in Manchester United. When you are not willing to follow that principles of the philosophy then there is only one way, and it is out."

Hmm, seems like he didn't want to adapt to English football here by the looks of it. "How you have to play like a goalkeeper in Manchester United."
 
FromTheBench said:
Team creation and evolution is a continuous process. Not a one off thing.
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He is creating a team, the core of this roster is new. He is establishing ground rules who are supposed to stick beyond him.
 
Don't see how a 3 time champions league winner, 6 time La liga champion, and 1 time World Cup winner should be penalised by being sold -for not playing with kids, but i don't run the club.

LVG probably felt some type of way about that.
 
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Why on earth would you refuse to play for the reserves if it gives you a chance to get match practice and show the manager what you can do? It's one thing to not be massively enthusiastic about it, but to refuse is just stupid. Glad we're getting rid if that's the case.
 
MannyB said:
Very weird situation.

He brought him on in the last game of the season to show what he could do and to help him find a new club. Then he goes about damaging his reputation by telling the journos he refused to play in the reserves.

So is he trying to help him move on or not?
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He probably put him in the shop window and since then Valdes isnt playing ball with the teams looking to sign him (Valencia) like posting the picture yesterday suggesting he's staying. LVG is making it clear hes not wanted
 
Ekeke said:
He probably put him in the shop window and since then Valdes isnt playing ball with the teams looking to sign him (Valencia) like posting the picture yesterday suggesting he's staying. LVG is making it clear hes not wanted
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This makes sense.
 
dxadel said:
Don't see how a 3 time champions league winner, 6 time La liga champion, and 1 time World Cup winner should be penalised by being sold -for not playing with kids, but i don't run the club.

LVG probably felt some type of way about that.
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Because he is being paid to do a job regardless of what he has won in the past. United is bigger than victor fecking valdes.
 
mariachi-19 said:
Because he is being paid to do a job regardless of what he has won in the past. United is bigger than victor fecking valdes.
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He isn't paid to play with the reserves,no one is saying he is bigger than the club, let's not try and act like its a United thing - it's an LVG thing, and I have no problem with it.... (as long as his philosophy turns us into champions again) doesn't mean i won't comment on how weird it is.
 
shocking, but that's it

i'm afraid that's much more than that after we had regrouped in carrington. maybe the valdes camp tried to exploit the opportunity from the ddg saga to ask for a big fat contract or threatening a move?

not a really too nice excuse by the moment indeed. just make the door wide opened for ddg to a easy way out
 
Ekeke said:
He probably put him in the shop window and since then Valdes isnt playing ball with the teams looking to sign him (Valencia) like posting the picture yesterday suggesting he's staying. LVG is making it clear hes not wanted
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Yeah good point
 
dxadel said:
He isn't paid to play with the reserves,no one is saying he is bigger than the club, let's not try and act like its a United thing - it's an LVG thing, and I have no problem with it.... (as long as his philosophy turns us into champions again) doesn't mean i won't comment on how weird it is.
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I don't think There is anything weird about it, you refuse to play then you have to go.
Having said that I don't think it is that straightforward and there is more to it. I trust in LVG.
 
ravi2 said:
I don't think There is anything weird about it, you refuse to play then you have to go.
Having said that I don't think it is that straightforward and there is more to it. I trust in LVG.
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So you're saying if Depay,Schweinsteiger or even Fellaini refuses to play for the reserves they would be sold?
 
dxadel said:
So you're saying if Depay,Schweinsteiger or even Fellaini refuses to play for the reserves they would be sold?
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Now you're trying to say all footballers are treated equally which has never ever been the case.
 
dxadel said:
So you're saying if Depay,Schweinsteiger or even Fellaini refuses to play for the reserves they would be sold?
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I think we all know depay or bastian would not pull nonsense like that with LVG. If fellaini does it he should be sold as he isn't nearly as good as the other two.
 
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Now you're trying to say all footballers are treated equally which has never ever been the case.
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No, I mentioned 3 different players who have 3 different roles in the team, with Bastian and Fellaini similar to Valdes in terms of being past their primes for the former and being second choice options and somewhat dispensable for the latter.
 
dxadel said:
No, I mentioned 3 different players who have 3 different roles in the team, with Bastian and Fellaini similar to Valdes in terms of being past their primes for the former and being second choice options and somewhat dispensable for the latter.
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So basically none of the three players would toe Van Gaal's party line but even though some are past their prime, they are still considered more important to the United squad than Valdes which is the key thing at the end of the day. Especially if he doesn't want to be number 2 - a role which requires a player to play in the reserves on occasion for fitness purposes.
 
Valdes was not simply sold because he didn't go to the U21's:

"That's also one aspect of our philosophy, but there are a lot of other aspects in the philosophy; how you have to play like a goalkeeper in Manchester United."

He didn't want to play like he had to, to be able to be the GK of Manchester United.

If Fellaini didn't want to adapt, he would be sold. Same with any player.
 
Never thought he was suited to the PL but surprised it went down this way and LvG hanging him out to dry.
 
Really don't give a feck about who comes in, who goes and who stays at the end of the day - as long as the philosophy makes us champions again.

Otherwise all these changes tailor made for LVG will look like a waste of time at the end of his tenure.
 
Bit harsh from Van Gaal to do so in a press conference like that but if Valdes acts like a nob then i can't say he doesn't deserve it. Odd that it's come to this though and Valdes has acted very ungratefully if this is true also.
 
Valdes pissed on his own chips here. If its true he refused to do the same at Barca with him aswell he hasn't a leg to stand on. Too much player power nowadays and Im pleasantly surprised by LVGs stance. Valdes has had his arse handed to him
 
Valdes always came across as quite professional to me, in his time at Barca, I'm surprised LvG made this public more than anything, he could have made it clear his time at United was over behind closed doors, and still shipped him out, without stating the reasons to the public it's quite a damning statement on Valdes character.
 
after watching the video i'm convinced the valdes side pissed off the club more than lvg personally.

and the only reason i can think about is money. not surprising if they pissed off woody directly at all, and just one word from our now being super star woody, lvg wouldn't hesitate to show him the door
 
I don't rate Valdes that highly and with close to zero games played for us I hardly see him as a United player, so in this case I don't care much.
But I am not sure on LvG's ruthlessness, there's a reason he hardly stays long at big clubs as he falls out with everyone.
Ppl say Fergie was like this, but they forget that most players he fell out with was AFTER getting years of great performances and many titles out of them, and he was forgiving and diplomatic at the same time, otherwise he wouldn't have succesfully been able to lead the club for that long. Becks and Keane had a lot of leeway at times and got a lot of freedom and "forgiveness" for some of their actions because Fergie knew how important they were.

The Valdes stuff, Di Maria handling, insisting everytime how everyone has to follow his philosophy, players who miss pens are put at the end of the queue, etc. This way many players will play like robots and fear that they could be called out next.

Will be interesting to see how long this works.
 
This is great news as long as we don't sign someone like Cillessen to replace De Gea.
 
Looks like Sergio Romero will be our #2 then? From a former barca keeper to the Argentina keeper. We are definitely looking to sign Messi in a couple of years
 
united_99 said:
I don't rate Valdes that highly and with close to zero games played for us I hardly see him as a United player, so in this case I don't care much.
But I am not sure on LvG's ruthlessness, there's a reason he hardly stays long at big clubs as he falls out with everyone.
Ppl say Fergie was like this, but they forget that most players he fell out with was AFTER getting years of great performances and many titles out of them, and he was forgiving and diplomatic at the same time, otherwise he wouldn't have succesfully been able to lead the club for that long. Becks and Keane had a lot of leeway at times and got a lot of freedom and "forgiveness" for some of their actions because Fergie knew how important they were.

The Valdes stuff, Di Maria handling, insisting everytime how everyone has to follow his philosophy, players who miss pens are put at the end of the queue, etc. This way many players will play like robots and fear that they could be called out next.

Will be interesting to see how long this works.
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A bit worrying indeed but LVG isn't staying for more than 3-4 years anyway, he isn't a long term solution imo. I think he's going to be retired within 5 years regardless of how well he fares with us.
 
united_99 said:
The Valdes stuff, Di Maria handling, insisting everytime how everyone has to follow his philosophy, players who miss pens are put at the end of the queue, etc. This way many players will play like robots and fear that they could be called out next.
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LvG expecting his players to play and behave in the way that is the best for the club is nothing bad. It's about having the most cohesive team and locker room.
 
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