We’ll end up with Jonathan David on a free
Victor Osimhen
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) talk about the proposed new stadium, season ticket prices, Sir Jim Ratcliffe and all things INEOS after the first year of their co-ownership.
They also discuss back-to-back victories vs. Real Sociedad and Leicester City - was this the best week for Amorim so far?
VIKTOR not VICTOR, for me...
Osimhen is very good, he would probably guarantee you 20+ goals and fit into the team nicely in regards to on-field productivity. However, it is the other Viktor that Manchester United should sign, Gyokeres. He is familiar & proven with both Ruben Amorim & the system he plays. His record is outstanding and he only turns 27 in June. Everything just looks a perfect fit.
Although Osimhen is also relatively young (he too turns 27 later in the year), I believe United will try for Gyokeres before him. Yes, they are both goal machines, which United patently need as a matter of urgency...hopefully, the familiarity with Amorim swings the Swede to Old Trafford.
Osimhen is very good, he would probably guarantee you 20+ goals and fit into the team nicely in regards to on-field productivity. However, it is the other Viktor that Manchester United should sign, Gyokeres. He is familiar & proven with both Ruben Amorim & the system he plays. His record is outstanding and he only turns 27 in June. Everything just looks a perfect fit.
Although Osimhen is also relatively young (he too turns 27 later in the year), I believe United will try for Gyokeres before him. Yes, they are both goal machines, which United patently need as a matter of urgency...hopefully, the familiarity with Amorim swings the Swede to Old Trafford.
That plus one of Gyokeres or Osimhen, quite doable for the summer.
Yeah just David would be underwhelming
Don't think we can find better quality at the position for that price this summer unless Sporting have a similar valuation for Gyokeres.
Younger strikers will cost a premium as we've learned the hard way. Fully expecting someone like Isak to go for 90-100m
I can’t see it to be honest , one of those plus David and Hojlund isn’t sustainable unless we loan out Rasmus
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Oh yeah would have to involve Hojilund or Zirkzee leaving for it to become a possibility
What is the market for Isak? Us (not anymore) Chelsea - possibly, Real don't need him, Barca can't afford him, Italian clubs ditto. That leaves Atletico, PSG or Bayern. Bayern won't sign him as long as Kane is doing well there.
Re Osimhen 60 million for an experienced striker but still at a good age is perfectly fine on paper but people on here are acting like it isn't still a massive risk like all the other expensive flops littered around the place. He could easily still flop here or become more injury prone and then his wages are massive. Loans with us paying a lot of money or Saudi will be the only show in town for a full transfer and as we've seen with Casemiro if they don't want to go they don't have to. I do think he's the in his prime guy to get to lead us into next season but Im fully prepared for it to not work out for whatever reason if he does come here.
I think we most likely go for the ex Amorim player, lower wages, knows the system, played PL before (fleetingly) I think he has the lower ceiling of the two but knows what the manager wants and will be easier to shift in a few years if he doesn't work out or someone better emerges
Arsenal, Liverpool? They’re the two most hotly linked teams to him.
He'd be great for either, sorry I didn't see the links. Id personally rather we signed Isak than either of the above but I can't see us making deals for more than 50/60 million until we are at the stage where we need a specialist to push the collective over the edge but we are still so far away from that.
Yea they're the main 2 that look to be set to make bids this summer from everything being reported
He's Arsenal's missing piece I'm afraid
Isak would pull his hamstring the second he walked through the door. I’m just resigned to it at this point. He’d also cost 100m+, so I can see the value in 60m on Osimhen, David on a free, Angel Gomes on a free etc. A mix of marquee and smart signings.
Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool will all be looking for a striker this summer. Whether Osimhen is high on any of their lists we'll need to see.
I'd imagine Chelsea may consider going back in for him, if hes dropped his wage demands since this is what caused their deal to collapse.
If Gykores moves to a team like Liverpool, I'd imagine Arsenal will have Osimhen on their radar along with Sesko.
Agreed. Unless Gyokeres explicitly doesn't want to come because of CL, I suspect Amorim will naturally favor a player he already knows and trusts to be his #9. Osimhen would of course also be a massive upgrade to what we have now.
I think it's an absolute no-brainer at that price. Scores goals wherever he goes, not a bad age, shouldn't have any problems with the physicality of the PL.
Much, much prefer him to Gyokeres
Much, much prefer him to Gyokeres
Would prefer Osimhen to Gyokeres, simply because (despite being around the same age) Osimhen has been returning at an elite level for a much longer period.
Osimhen is in his fifth season in a row returning at a better than 0.55 non-penalty goals per 90 rate in the league. Whereas Gyokeres is in just his 2nd season, with those two seasons occurring in a weaker league than the one Osimhen made his name in.
Though that comes with caveats around Osimhen's fitness record and wage demands too.
Osimhen is in his fifth season in a row returning at a better than 0.55 non-penalty goals per 90 rate in the league. Whereas Gyokeres is in just his 2nd season, with those two seasons occurring in a weaker league than the one Osimhen made his name in.
Though that comes with caveats around Osimhen's fitness record and wage demands too.
I haven’t kept up with rumored prices but I’m assuming that’s the reason? Would easily be a top 6 team with those two here.
What’s this all about?
Both players are going for approx £60-65m, so yeah, out of the question. It isn't just the finances though. Both players will expect to be the starting striker at a Champions League level club. There will be plenty of competition for each of them and it's completely unfeasible that one club would have two strikers of such a high profile.
If we have a player called Heaven, we must have an Angel too.
I was thinking I don’t remember making this post…
Could also imply that Oshimen will decline sooner. I mean there is little more than 1,5 years between Vardy and Rooney, but Vardys rise began when Rooney left Man Utd. Patrick Kluivert is the same age as RvN, but their peak four-five years came in different periods.
It is difficult to stay on top for a long time. I think it is a good point that Oshimen have done it at a higher level. But I would probably prefer Gyokeres due to him playing a lot of football.
Oshimen, at 26, have barely played more than 2000 min of league football ever. Gyokeres have played 3600 min, 4200 min, 2900 min and probably close to 3000 min this season too. And I think you could argue he was a late bloomer. It is not alway a good predictor (ref Mazraoui), but quite often it is.
I think Osimhen might disappoint a lot of posters here when he arrives. For one, he isn’t very confident with the ball at his feet, and EPL defenders will pick up on that real quick. Plus, his ego doesn’t quite match his talent level, so don’t be surprised if you see him throwing tantrums when things don’t go his way. I also suspect EPL referees will have a field day provoking reactions from him.
Personally, I believe we need a more ball-confident striker.. someone like Isak, though we’re unlikely to get him. We should prioritize players with that kind of profile before considering box specialists like Osimhen. That said, I do hope he performs well enough.
I am Nigerian btw.
Personally, I believe we need a more ball-confident striker.. someone like Isak, though we’re unlikely to get him. We should prioritize players with that kind of profile before considering box specialists like Osimhen. That said, I do hope he performs well enough.
I am Nigerian btw.
He’s a free agent in the summer, been linked with a move back to us
I like the profile of player angel is, but someone wrote on this forum that he doesn't even consistently start games for losc.
I haven't seen enough of him to make a full judgment but the games I have he has shown an erratic touch. Sometimes he has gotten away with it because he has been stronger than the defenders opposing him, that won't always be the case in the PL.
Don't think Utd should be buying players with major technical weaknesses, it never ends well.
A Napoli supporting mate of mine said similar things. He apparently shouted at Spaletti when being subbed (?) his hold up play was supbar and he didn't show leadership after the first scudetto.
But - he knew where the goal was.
Christ. The thought of it
Nice Post. I think going for a player who wouldn't be happy if he was dropped to the bench when off form is a bit worrying.
We need to build a squad and team ethic with non selfish, egotistical or lazy players as seen with Rashford's and Sancho's.
Is boniface better than osimhen?
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This sounds like Lukaku all over again.
Not exactly, very different types of players
I agree. I feel people are overrating both osimhen and gyokeres. They would both score more than rasmus but I feel neither are that special. It's a shame isak is untouchable for us as he would be perfect. Excellent technically, athletically and can score all kinds of goals. The other 2 don't have anywhere near that in their lockers
Still want to sign him
That's my concern too.
Also, Osimhen is going to require >300k GBP and if he does not work out, we have another expensive player on big wages who is not performing. Add to Rashford, Sancho, Casemiro, Mount. This makes future transfer business very complicated.
I would have loved to have Lukaku for most of the past years since he left.
Lukaku won't win you a PL title. But he sure as hell will be one of the top league scorers every season wherever he plays, and keep you as a CL qualifying club rather than a bottom half club who implodes every other season because they have no goalscorer. This club needs a striker who can guarantee goals. Osimhen isn't Lukaku in the bad ways but he also isn't as good a goalscorer as Lukaku.
That might be true, but it isn't backed by their actual rates of returns in their seasons in Italy.
Non-penalty goals per 90.
Osimhen: 0.55, 0.84, 0.64, 0.57
Lukaku: 0.30, 0.44, 0.43, 0.56, 0.31
And Lukaku's stats for Everton/United weren't much different, ranging between 0.25 and 0.66.
You can have the first touch and silkiness of Zirkzee, but if you don't score, it doesn't help the team. Conversely, you can be as shitty technically as McT, but score big goals. Osimhen would improve us massively just by scoring 15-20 goals a season. Also a great presser, relentless runner, quite speedy and excellent in the air.
Isak in todays market and Newcastle as owners? He would need to kick up a fuss, hand in transfer request, refuse to train and even then would fetch 150m+ easily.
Arsenal?
That sounds as much like an argument for Gyokeres to me.