Don't think there is anything in this Hojlund swap stuff in unreliable newspapers tomorrow
Victor Osimhen
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I don't see the new people in charge going for Osimhen, expensive, huge wages and has a bit of a rep of having "bad attitude". He probably would score a lot for us though
It makes sense to go for him if we can get him cheap, or on loan or swap and with decent wages.
The stats don’t lie but I think the reputation is a worry although Napoli and the social media comments are a massive cause in this case.
Having said that I’d rather we got Gyorkeres and a back up like Delap. Hojilund will come good but I’m not sure it’ll be for us.
The stats don’t lie but I think the reputation is a worry although Napoli and the social media comments are a massive cause in this case.
Having said that I’d rather we got Gyorkeres and a back up like Delap. Hojilund will come good but I’m not sure it’ll be for us.
I personally rate him higher than Gyokeres. He's definitely much more proven and his playing tempo suits this league more.
Either would be a massive step up. Both are 26 which is still young but nearing peak. A good 5 years at least out of either. The manager knows one and he’s played in England before the other is proven wherever he’s played but has a rep, comes with high wages.
Genuine question. Who do we think fits into the English league style better out of Osimhen and Gyokeres? Both are quick, strong and good finishers, but we've seen so many players fail to adapt to the Prem. Nunez being a prime example. What do we think sets either apart from the other to thrive here?
It's easy to think that Gyokeres, having worked within the system Amorim is wanting to implement, will slip straight into scoring as he has in Portugal. We don't play anything close to Sporting though. That's definitely going to stunt his performance.
Osimhen is very unpredictable with his running style. The way he twists and turns on the ball. He's not a one trick pony. Would this be more suited to the way we play.
Both are interesting options and I think both would score goals. But which is the better option?
It's easy to think that Gyokeres, having worked within the system Amorim is wanting to implement, will slip straight into scoring as he has in Portugal. We don't play anything close to Sporting though. That's definitely going to stunt his performance.
Osimhen is very unpredictable with his running style. The way he twists and turns on the ball. He's not a one trick pony. Would this be more suited to the way we play.
Both are interesting options and I think both would score goals. But which is the better option?
It really depends on whether the rumors of crazy wage demands from last season were true. However, if they are at the 200k/w level, I expect the demands by Gyokeres and his team not to be that different, since it could be his last big contract.
Personally I would go for Osimhen any day. I think he's potentially a top 3 CF. But I'd still be more than happy if it's Gyokeres in the end. Even if it's "just" Sesko or Ekitike. Just bring a good CF who scores.
I don’t rate Osimhen at all and I imagine he’d be a failure here. He’s a very average (or poor) footballer technically. He’s does have some strengths though. He works incredibly hard, and I’d say he’s also the best centre forward in the air in world football. That said, Ruben will immediately neutralise this by putting a left-footed winger at RWB anyway.
He’s scored 22 goals for Galatasaray, 7 of which have been pens and of the remaining 15, I think about half have been headers. He’s not a world class striker who can offer any good link up play, can fashion his own chances with any consistency or even has varied shooting technique. He will press and run all day though, bully centre halves and dominate in the air.
He’s scored 22 goals for Galatasaray, 7 of which have been pens and of the remaining 15, I think about half have been headers. He’s not a world class striker who can offer any good link up play, can fashion his own chances with any consistency or even has varied shooting technique. He will press and run all day though, bully centre halves and dominate in the air.
Nothing against either of your opinions, but this is why its impossible to possibly know how a player will turn out. One of you are right, and the only way we can find out is if he comes to United.
Not sure this is true. You can always watch for yourself and form your own opinions even without him coming to Utd.
His wages will make it impossible, I think he'll end up in the Saudi league or Chelsea.
Chelsea already told him no last summer because of salary
I have a suspicion that he will go to Arsenal.
He's on less than 100 grand a week right now. A bump to 200 wouldn't be unreasonable for the quality he has demonstrated in multiple leagues and it wouldn't break our current wage structure given that we have players already getting in the 300s now.
Wow, if Osimhen is called poor technically and his link-up play bad I don't know what to say really. The barometer here must be extremely high.
I have wrote and rated many times on Redcafe earlier.
Now as Mbappe moving from left winger to CF
Best of the best level. A CF with a totally x factor and something unique : Kylian Mbappe. Like Osihmen. Mbappe is not only quick. His skill on the ball and change of direction differ him from the top level of CF.
Top level of CF :
Haaland, Lewandoski, Kane and Osihmen
Example if you put Osihmen in City, Barca, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich. Osihmen will score as much as Haaland, Lewandoski and Kane. Osihmen is on top level as CF
Top level = Goal machine and natural goalscorer
But again. Above the top level. Mbappe just has more in his game. To be above the top level of CF
And under the top level
The second best level, A very good CF level:
Ivan Toney, Gyokeres, Santiago Gimenez, Mbeumo,........maybe Newcastke Isak is closer to the top level and on this level.
Very good level --------- Isak ---------- Top level. Between those 2 levels and closer to the top level. Isak with his speed in the first metres, easily pass opponent players and the full packet as a CF. Isak is closer to the top level. But maybe really soon. Joining a top team will might help him score some more goals.
Top level of service = more goals. Simple mathematic.
But back to Osihmen. As long as you are a goalmachine and natural goalscorer. You can score lower with ball skills ability. As long as you just bang in goals, not for fun. But it looks so naturally = a natural goalscorer.
And Osihmen is a natural goalscorer and goal machine. No one can deny it.
Now as Mbappe moving from left winger to CF
Best of the best level. A CF with a totally x factor and something unique : Kylian Mbappe. Like Osihmen. Mbappe is not only quick. His skill on the ball and change of direction differ him from the top level of CF.
Top level of CF :
Haaland, Lewandoski, Kane and Osihmen
Example if you put Osihmen in City, Barca, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich. Osihmen will score as much as Haaland, Lewandoski and Kane. Osihmen is on top level as CF
Top level = Goal machine and natural goalscorer
But again. Above the top level. Mbappe just has more in his game. To be above the top level of CF
And under the top level
The second best level, A very good CF level:
Ivan Toney, Gyokeres, Santiago Gimenez, Mbeumo,........maybe Newcastke Isak is closer to the top level and on this level.
Very good level --------- Isak ---------- Top level. Between those 2 levels and closer to the top level. Isak with his speed in the first metres, easily pass opponent players and the full packet as a CF. Isak is closer to the top level. But maybe really soon. Joining a top team will might help him score some more goals.
Top level of service = more goals. Simple mathematic.
But back to Osihmen. As long as you are a goalmachine and natural goalscorer. You can score lower with ball skills ability. As long as you just bang in goals, not for fun. But it looks so naturally = a natural goalscorer.
And Osihmen is a natural goalscorer and goal machine. No one can deny it.
Disgraceful disrespect to Chris Wood
Not really, that's a very standard opinion, he's very limited on the ball.
Imagine a world where you'd really want us to sign Gyökeres, but we miss out on him and sign Toney instead. Ah well, nothing lost. They are at the same level after all.
Osimhen sounds exciting to me, a like the idea of a bully forward who presses from the front, loves a header and knows where the goal is.
I think someone effectively occupying CBs would give out number 10s more space to influence the game.
I think someone effectively occupying CBs would give out number 10s more space to influence the game.
In what sense? He's not Mbappe or Isak but he's generally good with his back-to-goal and his link-up play, he can play one-touch pass and move football fine in the final third. And has scored some very good goals that demonstrate fine technique.
Is he more or less limited than a Lukaku? I think Lukaku would do fine as a starting CF right now.
Goal machines - Lewandowki, Kane, Mbappe, Haaland, Osimhen, Gyokeres (yes, the Turkish and Portuguese leagues count too)
Then everyone else.
Probably similar, and that might be true but it wasn't the point made.
His touch, close control, and basic passing are all limited.
I'm no sure I agree with this to be honest.
That may well be true but the stories around his failed move to Chelsea had him looking for a salary in the 350k to 400k a week range which they were not willing to pay and if true neither should we. He might well be more reasonable this summer after getting stuck in Turkey and missing out on his big move last summer but there are still big question marks over him beyond the salary issue. I tend to think he is almost nailed on to go to Arsenal this summer, I am expecting them to be front of the queue for any available big name strikers and in all likelihood they will sign two at least after getting burned in consecutive seasons by a lack of goals.
I think this was not true, he didn't want to move on loan to Chelsea or take a circa 40% wage cut, report were Chelsea were asking him to recude his wages to fit into their new wage structure and take a longer term contract. That doesn't mean he was asking for 350-400k and we already know those types of reports end up being a load of crap most of the time.
Financial motivation is also shown by the fact he originally turned down a move to Suadi twice before that.
It seemed there were major issues between him and Napoli because they kept messing they the transfer fee and trying to extort buyers like they usually do, and issues with Chelsea because they preferred a loan deal at first (which he was not happy with)
Whilst I would love to sign a proven striker, I get a bad feeling about both Osimhen and Gyokeres, I guess it comes from so many prior high profile signings flopping and cluttering up our wage bill!
Yeah that just not going to happen. Haaland is on about 650k/wk but then again he has set himself apart from everyone by knocking in 52 goals in a season in the most challenging league in the world. Osimhen's best year was 31 goals at Napoli, in a league where its easier to score. So at best, Osimhen wouldn't be able to get more than 300/wk in England imo.
Depends on the reports you read. The stories I saw were that he had agreed a transfer to Saudi specifically for the big wages he was chasing and Napoli vetoed the deal because Chelsea offered a higher fee, he then turned down Chelsea because they didn't offer close to the wages he had been offered by Saudi.
The fact that no permanent deal was struck means we will never know which stories are true but we do know that he has effectively been available for two consecutive summers and yet has gone unsold in both. I suspect that he is a difficult character to work with and his salary demands have been on the high side for clubs interested. If we are to take SJR at face value when he discusses the way INEOS plan to approach the transfer market I would say it is very much a long shot that we will even consider a move for Osimhen.
This was late in the window after he refused to go there originally, and yes Napoli raised the price on the Suadi club, however the Saudi club has been chasing him and had been rejected by him the summer before and earlier in that summer.
I find the last bolded part hard to believe since Chelsea previous to this point offered him less wages than he was on at Napoli https://football-italia.net/how-chelsea-salary-offer-anger-osimhen-napoli/
This seems to be consistent with the fact Chelsea were going to great lengths to enforce a new wage structure and the fact they were falling to agree personal terms with the Osimhen camp all summer, I find it hard to believe they suddenly upped their wage offer late in the window
Chelsea wanted Osimhen to take a wage cut, he refused that's why the deal wasn't done and they tried to go to a loan to get him in which didn't work. Him asking for 350-400k seems to be wide of the mark
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@Cassidy you may be right but then just a few minutes ago you mentioned that the media reports are usually crap and yet you are using media reports as if they are factual in your response.
I agree that the reporting on all sides is doubtful but again the fact that he has failed to find a taker for two straight summers when so many of the big clubs in Europe are desperate for goals suggests either his wage demands are excessive or there is something about his character that is scaring potential suitors away. If we sign him I am going to hope for the best but I rather feel that if we don't it is going to be a bullet dodged.
I agree that the reporting on all sides is doubtful but again the fact that he has failed to find a taker for two straight summers when so many of the big clubs in Europe are desperate for goals suggests either his wage demands are excessive or there is something about his character that is scaring potential suitors away. If we sign him I am going to hope for the best but I rather feel that if we don't it is going to be a bullet dodged.
I believe I said media reports of players asking for insane wages usually turn out to be rubbish, but my main point has always been that the notion he didn't sign for Chelsea because he was asking for crazy wages just has not been substantiated. Its always repeated on this forum and then when you check the reports at the time from reputable source (not to say they are right) it turns out its not true and I don't see any reputable sources being used as evidence for it.
Also the previous summer he agreed personal terms with PSG and the deal didn't go through because again Napoli were being difficult with the transfer fee, this is well documented, and Napoli as a clubs reputation for being notoriously difficult to deal with and always asking for insase transfer fees are also well documented. They originally were asking circa 120-150m euros for the Osimhen transfer and that was always the major stumbling block. I don't even think this is hard to check but it seems for some reason he as a player has been labeled as greedy, not sure when it started or why, but it seems odd to me, and even worse not backed up
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Where do you get that from?
He’s on 192k per week on his Napoli contract according to https://www.capology.com/player/victor-osimhen-36158/
Chelsea offered him less than that apparently which is why they couldn’t come to agreement
He was offered a lot more to go to Saudi and was keen to do so but the club couldn’t meet Napoli’s selling price
I did a google search. Maybe I'm misreading this ? Maybe he still earns 160k but the Galatasaray share is only ~100k
It’s usual for the loaning club to pay part or all of the salary. So perhaps that’s an indication of the temporary contract that Gala pay with Napoli then topping up the rest? That would be my guess anywayI did a google search. Maybe I'm misreading this ? Maybe he still earns 160k but the Galatasaray share is only ~100k
Actually they did meet Napolis selling price, but Napoli moved the price again after that.
However before that the Saudi club failed to convince Osimhen the previous summer and most of that summer, until he realised it was his only option coming close to the end of the window. After that fell through he ended up at Galatasary e.g he was desprate the leave Napoli
Can understand the Alex Crook stuff not being referenced in here as reliability is questionable