Victor Osimhen

Osimhen is a lethal finisher, but his overall game leaves something to be desired. In his Napoli days, he had Kvaratskhelia and a direct Napoli to pick up the slack and create chances. But he won't be getting any of that in this United team, who struggle to just keep the ball and move it around. He will no doubt be the best striker in the squad, but he will struggle in this team just the same. From what I've seen, I also think he will actually have trouble with the physicality of the Premier League, despite looking athletic. And again, he hasn't really impressed me in Turkey, considering he is playing for the best team there.

He will instantly be United's best striker, but I'm not sure spending what is easily half the budget on one position is particularly wise. And there's also the issue with his wages. There are bigger holes to fill on the pitch. I suppose an argument could be made that not getting him this summer means not getting him at all, and he is one of the few experienced strikers out there, but I think I'd be okay with missing out.
 
pocco said:
How sure are we that he’s going to cost his full release clause? This guy has burned his bridges with Napoli to the extent they’ve had to loan him out, much like Rashford for us. There has to be some sort of deal to be had.
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Napoli burnt their bridge with him. It’s really unfair for him to be labeled a trouble maker on here. It’s not true.
 
pocco said:
How sure are we that he’s going to cost his full release clause? This guy has burned his bridges with Napoli to the extent they’ve had to loan him out, much like Rashford for us. There has to be some sort of deal to be had.
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Probably, just depends whether we’re happy to spend all window haggling like we did with Dorgu. You’d think we’d try and do the manager a favour and have all his signings ready for pre-season, especially considering we briefed in January that we’re saving our money for the summer. No reason we can’t be agreeing stuff in the background.
 
Hud12 said:
If every player was purely after money they’d all be playing in Saudi, I remember reading at the time that he was looking for 500k a week off Chelsea, Chelsea have a decent squad and it was obvious they wouldn’t be battling it out in mid table for too long and I doubt what they offered him was “pretty poor wages” to any 26 year old player with ambition a choice between Chelsea and Galatasaray is a no brainer.

If you’re happy to have players come here who only want a pay day more fool to you, but getting players who actually want to play at the top level (Salah and Van Dijk being perfect examples of this, players at the end of their career who could happily go off and make a lot more than Liverpool are paying them now yet are still hanging around waiting for a new deal) show how wrong you are about this.

We should be doing everything to avoid getting these types of characters in, it’s what leads to players like Rashford jogging around the pitch not caring,

We’ve made 12 years of expensive mistakes like this and Osimhen will be another, a money grabber who couldn’t care less if things are going bad for us once his wages hit the bank every week,
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Why do you talk so much nonsense?

1. You say if every player was purely after money, they’d all be playing in Saudi

The Saudis cannot afford every player nor do they want every player. They target exceptional players, and nearly always get them. However, we do have a history of players moving to Oil money clubs purely for the money. You only need to examine the history of Man City, for example.

The evidence is undisputable. Professional players play football primarily for the income. In that context, a player could only be considered excessively financially motivated if they turned down a great football offer to pursue money alone. I pointed out to you that the prospect of playing for Chelsea did not present any such footballing prospects. They clearly had no chance of winning the league, nor were they in a respectable European competition. So, you need to explain why anyone would have been obliged to accept Chelsea's offer under those conditions. Such nonsense.

2. You read that he wanted 500k a week, which has been refuted explicitly by Osimhen's camp. It doesn't take a genius to know that was rubbish anyway, as Chelsea have no one earning anywhere near that amount. What has come out is that he asked for parity with his Napoli earnings at a minimum, and ideally, a figure closer to 150k a week. Chelsea offered 90k a week, which would have been a wage cut, on account of their supposed financial troubles and new wage policy. Now, which of these two versions of events is more plausible?

3. He's ended up in Galatasaray, an inferior league by his standards, where he gives his all and is a massive fan favourite. The idea that he is a fair-weather player who responds only to financial incentives is clearly untrue as, if it were, he would have downed tools by now.

Why make arguments without considering obvious evidence, and putting a little thought into it? This suggests an agenda, and I wonder why you would have one.
 
Rossa said:
You make it sound like facts when it’s merely speculation on your part. I would assume many footballers would love the experience of living in a foreign country and playing football at possibly a higher level. Getting a great salary is obviously a huge bonus, but I doubt it’s everything for everyone. As for glory, some revel in public attention whereas other shy away from it.
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Is there any evidence to support this?

Over the years, the number of foreign internationals who could play first flight football in other leagues but come to the Championship has shot up. What factors do you think are influencing this?

For frame of reference: https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/euro-2024-how-many-championship-players-are-at-the-euros
 
How has Osimhen got such a big reputation having scored more than 15 goals in a league season once?
 
pocco said:
Yeah fair enough, I was just making the point that it was a broken relationship and that should work against Napoli. I don’t know all the details of why it happened.
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They mocked him on tiktok in a video where they called him a coconut. It was very bizarre and racist.
 
100 said:
How has Osimhen got such a big reputation having scored more than 15 goals in a league season once?
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Because he's now in his 5th season in a row of scoring at a better than 1-in-2 rate in the league, not counting penalties.

His lower season tallies are simply a result of the minutes he's played, which is an issue in itself. But his reputation is based on how good he is when actually on the pitch.
 
sullydnl said:
Because he's now in his 5th season in a row of scoring at a better than 1-in-2 rate in the league, not counting penalties.

His lower season tallies are simply a result of the minutes he's played, and people take that into account when judging how good he is when actually on the pitch.
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Has he had fewer minutes in that case? Injuries? I haven't really followed him closely but from the style he has it appears he'd suit what Amorim is after.
 
VP89 said:
Has he had fewer minutes in that case? Injuries? I haven't really followed him closely but from the style he has it appears he'd suit what Amorim is after.
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Yep, his injury record isn't good. Some of them have been down to bad luck (like getting his cheekbone broken and catching Covid twice) but even still, it would be a concern.
 
100 said:
How has Osimhen got such a big reputation having scored more than 15 goals in a league season once?
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Goals per game is quite high, more than 1 every 2 games. 9 CL goals in 17, 10 goals in 15 Europa games. 65 goals in 108 Serie A games.

The more he plays the more he scores and scores in whatever comp. His best season you mention he played more games that year than others.

I guess the worry is usually he plays 30 games a season, Afcon, perhaps finding it tougher in England and not always available with injuries.

Might suit Arsenal to give them an extra boost in the PL and CL, they can rest and rotate him. With us he'd be our only top player, we'd overplay and exhaust him no doubt.
 
Given our current striking options it should really be no debate bringing in Osimhen. At this stage I’d even entertain a Lukaku return, it’s that bad at the moment .
 
This feels like a Cavanni situation, where we initially didn't think he'd be as good for us for whatever reasons, but then he ends up joining and is exactly the striker we've been missing.

Either Oshimen or Gyokores would be ideal, and we can deal with filling in the gaps to make it work for either. Our squad isn't really hammered in yet so what's the point of trying to fit and mold new players with current players. We know there's gonna be a squad upheaval in the summer, let's focus on getting the best attack possible
 
The Original said:
Why do you talk so much nonsense?

1. You say if every player was purely after money, they’d all be playing in Saudi

The Saudis cannot afford every player nor do they want every player. They target exceptional players, and nearly always get them. However, we do have a history of players moving to Oil money clubs purely for the money. You only need to examine the history of Man City, for example.

The evidence is undisputable. Professional players play football primarily for the income. In that context, a player could only be considered excessively financially motivated if they turned down a great football offer to pursue money alone. I pointed out to you that the prospect of playing for Chelsea did not present any such footballing prospects. They clearly had no chance of winning the league, nor were they in a respectable European competition. So, you need to explain why anyone would have been obliged to accept Chelsea's offer under those conditions. Such nonsense.

2. You read that he wanted 500k a week, which has been refuted explicitly by Osimhen's camp. It doesn't take a genius to know that was rubbish anyway, as Chelsea have no one earning anywhere near that amount. What has come out is that he asked for parity with his Napoli earnings at a minimum, and ideally, a figure closer to 150k a week. Chelsea offered 90k a week, which would have been a wage cut, on account of their supposed financial troubles and new wage policy. Now, which of these two versions of events is more plausible?

3. He's ended up in Galatasaray, an inferior league by his standards, where he gives his all and is a massive fan favourite. The idea that he is a fair-weather player who responds only to financial incentives is clearly untrue as, if it were, he would have downed tools by now.

Why make arguments without considering obvious evidence, and putting a little thought into it? This suggests an agenda, and I wonder why you would have one.
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They hardly target exceptional players if there’s not one player playing there who you could realistically say is one of the 50/100 best in the world currently? Who are these exceptional players exactly?

Playing for Chelsea in the premier league the a better footballing prospect than playing for Galatasaray, there’s really no argument there

They signed Pedro Neto in the summer on £160k a week and have taken Sancho off our hands and taken over his wages too so I’m not having that they wouldn’t have paid Osimhen £150k tbh, there’s no smoke without fire, the reports of him looking for crazy money have hardly been dreamt up out of nowhere

He responds to financial incentives as we was willing to basically give up his career at 26 to play in Saudi in front on crowds of 1000 people every week,

The last point I can only laugh, when all else fails play the race card
 
sleepehead said:
This feels like a Cavanni situation, where we initially didn't think he'd be as good for us for whatever reasons, but then he ends up joining and is exactly the striker we've been missing.

Either Oshimen or Gyokores would be ideal, and we can deal with filling in the gaps to make it work for either. Our squad isn't really hammered in yet so what's the point of trying to fit and mold new players with current players. We know there's gonna be a squad upheaval in the summer, let's focus on getting the best attack possible
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Just can't see him joining without Champions League, it's basically win Europa or bust now
 
100 said:
How has Osimhen got such a big reputation having scored more than 15 goals in a league season once?
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Well, not many proper striker out there so that also boost his reputation as one of the top striker available in the market. In addition, he’s proven as the focal point of goalscorer for a team that won the Serie A.

16 league goals in 17 starts (4 cameo)
15 league goals in 22 starts (3 cameo)
26 league goals in 30 starts (2 cameo)
14 league goals in 23 starts (4 cameo)

He’s still 26 years old. He still has at least another 5 to 6 years in him.
 
JE-365 said:
Well, not many proper striker out there so that also boost his reputation as one of the top striker available in the market. In addition, he’s proven as the focal point of goalscorer for a team that won the Serie A.

16 league goals in 17 starts (4 cameo)
15 league goals in 22 starts (3 cameo)
26 league goals in 30 starts (2 cameo)
14 league goals in 23 starts (4 cameo)

He’s still 26 years old. He still has at least another 5 to 6 years in him.
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Very true, however rightly so he will snub us in favour of a move to Arsenal and don't blame him
 
Hud12 said:
They hardly target exceptional players if there’s not one player playing there who you could realistically say is one of the 50/100 best in the world currently? Who are these exceptional players exactly?

Playing for Chelsea in the premier league the a better footballing prospect than playing for Galatasaray, there’s really no argument there

They signed Pedro Neto in the summer on £160k a week and have taken Sancho off our hands and taken over his wages too so I’m not having that they wouldn’t have paid Osimhen £150k tbh, there’s no smoke without fire, the reports of him looking for crazy money have hardly been dreamt up out of nowhere

He responds to financial incentives as we was willing to basically give up his career at 26 to play in Saudi in front on crowds of 1000 people every week,

The last point I can only laugh, when all else fails play the race card
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Oh right, Cristiano Ronaldo, Neymar, and Sadio Mane are not exceptional players and Ivan Toney wouldn't be in the top 100 players in the world currently. Mind you, I said they target exceptional players not that they get them all. As said, you talk a lot of nonsense.

"There's no smoke without fire" is a terrible excuse for cherry picking what you choose to believe but well in keeping with your general outlook, so not surprised.

At this point, I'm happy to agree to disagree as there's really no point. But I'm particularly curious: How does playing for mid-table/conference league Chelsea beat playing in the Europa League for a team almost certain to be Champions when you individually have a great chance of emerging top scorer? I really want to know what the advantage to playing in Chelsea would be in football terms. Kindly explain.

As for the race card - how silly of you. I never mentioned race, even if that could very well be the case. Your agenda could just as easily have been having an irrational preference for another player, or feeling that we already have a player in a similar mold who might have their progress disrupted. What is clear is that you do have an irrational thought process, hence the likelihood of some agenda. Whatever that is is up to you, but the fact that your mind went to race is telling.
 
The Original said:
Oh right, Cristiano Ronaldo, Neymar, and Sadio Mane are not exceptional players and Ivan Toney wouldn't be in the top 100 players in the world currently. Mind you, I said they target exceptional players not that they get them all. As said, you talk a lot of nonsense.

"There's no smoke without fire" is a terrible excuse for cherry picking what you choose to believe but well in keeping with your general outlook, so not surprised.

At this point, I'm happy to agree to disagree as there's really no point. But I'm particularly curious: How does playing for mid-table/conference league Chelsea beat playing in the Europa League for a team almost certain to be Champions when you individually have a great chance of emerging top scorer? I really want to know what the advantage to playing in Chelsea would be in football terms. Kindly explain.

As for the race card - how silly of you. I never mentioned race, even if that could very well be the case. Your agenda could just as easily have been having an irrational preference for another player, or feeling that we already have a player in a similar mold who might have their progress disrupted. What is clear is that you do have an irrational thought process, hence the likelihood of some agenda. Whatever that is is up to you, but the fact that your mind went to race is telling.
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40 and finished in Europe, well known money grabber, Banished from Bayern, And maybe scrapes top 100

No I’d believe that someone who missed out on going to Saudi for money would have wild wage demands, hardly a wild take

Playing for Chelsea in the premier league is a much higher level than playing in Turkey, Europa league or conference league, the Czech and Belgian league are ahead of it in the UEFA rankings, but he wouldn’t even think of going to either of them leagues champions league or not, cause they don’t pay big money, so don’t give it that he’s in Turkey for anything sporting related, the only one talking nonsense here is you,
 
Osimhen is impressive when he plays, he has great numbers per minute, but the fact that he has gone to Turkey raises a yellow flag.

Has the entire market of the big European leagues left him aside? For what reason? Serious disciplinary problems or chronic injuries? Or maybe he's not as old as he says he is, like Falcao Garcia (which would indicate the risk of signing a long contract)?

We can only make speculations. But it's strange.
 
al.gabiru said:
Osimhen is impressive when he plays, he has great numbers per minute, but the fact that he has gone to Turkey raises a yellow flag.

Has the entire market of the big European leagues left him aside? For what reason? Serious disciplinary problems or chronic injuries? Or maybe he's not as old as he says he is, like Falcao Garcia (which would indicate the risk of signing a long contract)?

We can only make speculations. But it's strange.
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- His relationship with Napoli broke down after they posted several racist tweets.
- Rejected an offer from Saudi Arabia
- Rejected Chelsea as they reportedly offered him half his Napoli wages
- Because of point 1 he was frozen out of the Napoli first team, so went to Turkey as all other transfer windows were closed.
 
al.gabiru said:
Osimhen is impressive when he plays, he has great numbers per minute, but the fact that he has gone to Turkey raises a yellow flag.

Has the entire market of the big European leagues left him aside? For what reason? Serious disciplinary problems or chronic injuries? Or maybe he's not as old as he says he is, like Falcao Garcia (which would indicate the risk of signing a long contract)?

We can only make speculations. But it's strange.
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It’s not strange. Moves broke down because of money. His relationship with Napoli broke down. Windows were all closed bar Turkey. He could either sit at home doing nothing for a year or go play at the only option available to him at the time.
That’s all there is to it
 
golden_blunder said:
It’s not strange. Moves broke down because of money. His relationship with Napoli broke down. Windows were all closed bar Turkey. He could either sit at home doing nothing for a year or go play at the only option available to him at the time.
That’s all there is to it
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Yeah absolutely, he would have fell off sofa laughing seeing that shambles yesterday though
 
Glorio said:
What I do find interesting is that our team tend to look for and find certain attackers much more regularly than others.
For example - Weghorst would be on the pitch for minutes and no one would cross the ball or pass to him anywhere near the box, next thing you know Rashford replaces him up front and all of a sudden, they're crossing the ball (to Rashford who isn't particularly great in the air), and they're looking for him as much as possible.

Same goes for Højlund and Zirkzee. Zirkzee is very rarely in the box but our players instinctively look for him a lot more, and it feels like he gets a lot more clear chances (which he regularly fluffs by the way) than Højlund.

Is it that players like Højlund and Weghorst don't make the right runs, or is it our players don't trust them, having gotten their measure in training, or is it because they don't expect them to make the right run, so don't automatically look for them to pass the ball to? Perhaps a combination of all 3 things, but it is intriguing.

I think if you brought in a striker the team rated, they'd get more chances than say Højlund.
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I 100% agree with this observation. I am sure it's not always for the same reasons, but I perceive it as a lack of trust as well. And I certainly noticed it with Weghorst. Bruno tends to try and do it all himself when he doesn't trust those around him, but he isn't the only culprit.
 
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