I noticed in his last post match interview he gave it the usual spiel about loving the club, fans etc then said who knows in the summer
Victor Osimhen
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Isn't £62m his release clause (€75m)?
Surely with (a) his contract expiring in 2026 and (b) everything that's happened between him and the club that figure is a pipe-dream.
Surely with (a) his contract expiring in 2026 and (b) everything that's happened between him and the club that figure is a pipe-dream.
I don't think he is too expensive, it's up to Vivell and of course Hargreaves to offer a deal that financially suits both parties. Now I'm not saying that's easy because it isn’t but we should at least try.
Should be, but Napoli owner is notorious for being a hard ass.
According to Fabrizio Romano, the release clause and the contract length are related, in that, when the release clause drops to the figure you mention (currently it is approx 130m euros) at the end of June, the club gain a + 1 year option on his contract. There is an article on Napoli's website that announces the option to 2027, in connection with his loan move to Galatasaray.
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The main issue isn't likely to be the fee, it's going to be his contract, there are a number of clubs who will be interested in him and can probably offer better contracts than we can
Disneyland no more???
On a serious note it does seem like he’ll indeed move this summer. I wonder how well he’d do in England
Feels like the kind of expensive striker Chelsea would sign, he'd flop badly and be sold to Spain/Italy the next season
I've got a bad feeling Pool will grab him and he'll do well there. With Nunez all but confirmed to be out in the summer, they'll be in the market for an established striker.
Yes, but he also doesn’t want him back at Napoli. Their relationship is too fractured. So there might be a deal to be done. I would worry about potential salary expectations though. He would need to understand that he’s coming to a club with financial difficulties
Would be another expensive mistake IMO. He would want a massive contract and the fee wouldnt be small either. He's a solid finisher, but has control issues and doesnt offer much in the build up. That doesnt bode well in a team that doesnt create chances for their forwards.
Even though he could turn out similar to Hojlund, I would make a play for Sesko.
Even though he could turn out similar to Hojlund, I would make a play for Sesko.
Of course not the points deductions from breaching PSR would cost us more than and poits gained!
I haven't seen enough of him to have an opinion on him either way but I think he will end up in the PL, Arsenal, Chelsea and probably Liverpool will be in the market for a striker
I think he's perfectly suited to English football.
My concerns boil down to us. We don't know how to attack.
My concerns boil down to us. We don't know how to attack.
He’s supposed to be pretty average in the buildup isn’t he? We need a more complete striker imo. His physical advantages won’t be as effective in the PL.
I don’t see us buying Osimhen for actual cash. Mostly because we haven’t got any!
If we are spending on a ST we will be more likely to chase Liam Delap when Ipswich go down. Either that or a free transfer like David.
He's quick, would out pace most center backs and can jump as high as Ronaldo. His physically dominant don't worry about that.
We don't create chances so the striker we sign is irrelevant. Until we employ attacking players that play for the team and have a larger skill set than shoot or massive hollywood passes across the pitch or wingers/fullbacks who put in crosses, than it doesn't matter what person is there, if there is nothing to put in the net, then they will not score.
While I agree that Amad aside all our attackers just want to score for themselves, it doesn't help when you have strikers with no attacking threat like Hojlund and Zirkzee.
I just dont know what striker is good enough to come in and be good for us and cost relatively cheap.
Its the whole team and the plays that is the problem here for me, we seems to be disjointed or not well oil as a team and so the goals just does not come. We have too many mismatch of players and the roles they plays.
V,Oshimen is the goal getter in this context as in you put the ball up, most time he will get a goal for you but the other side of plays looks to be desired compare to other all-rounder. However, vice versa others do not guaranntee goals like him does.
All in all, we seems to have many areas needs to be fixed. And, i think we will sees some areas left untouched based on priority from us.
Its the whole team and the plays that is the problem here for me, we seems to be disjointed or not well oil as a team and so the goals just does not come. We have too many mismatch of players and the roles they plays.
V,Oshimen is the goal getter in this context as in you put the ball up, most time he will get a goal for you but the other side of plays looks to be desired compare to other all-rounder. However, vice versa others do not guaranntee goals like him does.
All in all, we seems to have many areas needs to be fixed. And, i think we will sees some areas left untouched based on priority from us.
Need a statement of intent, this would be a statement move. If the lad comes here and doesn't score 15+ league goals then something's gone seriously awry
Hope we actually go for him, would be an absolute no brainer. The only risk is injuries, but nothing is perfect... Provided he can stay fit, he'd be a ridiculous improvement and the single biggest semi realistic impact that any player could provide to our team. He's a beast of a striker and a handful for any defence. He doesn't have to be some super involved in the build up striker, but he has to be a striker that leads the line, can do the basics that all top CFs need (battle with CBs, hold up play, run in behind, and be able to get shots off and just be a danger man) and he absolute does all of those to a high level. Would go a long way to transforming our attack.
We need to stop thinking about random fake forwards who don't know how to score. This club needs a proven goalscorer first and foremost, at all times. A big club without a proven goalscorer to lead the line will always be a sure shot to have a flop season. Get in a proven goalscorer, give ourselves some breathing room in terms of being able to actually get results and start to build, and then go from there. You will never be a successful club if we keep taking punts on unproven forwards. There's too much pressure at this club that it'll never work.
We need to stop thinking about random fake forwards who don't know how to score. This club needs a proven goalscorer first and foremost, at all times. A big club without a proven goalscorer to lead the line will always be a sure shot to have a flop season. Get in a proven goalscorer, give ourselves some breathing room in terms of being able to actually get results and start to build, and then go from there. You will never be a successful club if we keep taking punts on unproven forwards. There's too much pressure at this club that it'll never work.
We don't know how to attack because the players have 0 faith in the attackers to do anything with the ball. Happens all the time these days that we hesitate on passing forward because we know the forwards will just lose it again. That only gets fixed through confidence in your teammates, and that happens with better teammates who prove they are capable of not wasting attacks.
Also opposition defenders have absolutely 0 fear from our attackers. For all of Rashfords issues, teams had to be cautious not to give him space. Now they don't give a feck, push up all they want because they all know they can bully us.
I hope we can get a good deal for him, then. I am not convinced by him, but we do need someone who at least knows how to play the position. Right now we have two non-strikers.
The single biggest factor in a team creating chances is having a CF who has good movement and the ability to create chances for themselves and get shots off.
Hojlund is statistically among the worst in the big leagues at getting big shots off, while Osimhen is very good with that. That's a Hojlund issue - not a Man United issue. Our other attackers all get more chances, touches and shots than he does. Osimhen would have a huge difference and give our players someone to play the ball into, and someone who wouldn't be bullied by opposing defences.
His salary expectations are too high. Which is why Chelsea walked away from the deal at the last minute. If Chelsea walked away from the deal due to how expensive it was, I have a hard time believing that we can or should be trying to do the deal.
Like I said the other day it needs Vivell and Hargreaves to pull a blinder. You are right his salary expectations put Chelsea right off. Whether we can find middle ground with him remains to be seen.
I think he should be our no.1 CF target, but since we have financial problems, we could sell Hojlund to Napoli for 30-35m? So, not a straight swap, but would make it easier to get Osimhen, as I have read that there is interest from Napoli's side. I believe that Rasmus would get his confidence back and do well there, while we get a proper no.9 who can handle the pressure.
Aside that we're creating a team who would soon be actually creative, Dorgu first instinct is to find the striker, Amad will do similar, add that to Bruno and possibly a signing like Quenda. Amorim system and shape actually is designed to maximize the number 9 scoring ability if done right. The problem was Rashford, Garnacho, Antony shoot first mindset, and the likes of Dalot being a zero at creating chances. Two of them will definitely be gone come summer while the likes of Garnacho and Dalot wouldn't be part of what should be the strongest 11.
Hojlund has got 2 league goals, went the entire first half of last season without scoring in the league before a brief purple patch. Napoli are not paying that much for that. Maybe 25-20 million.
Wouldn't we sell them Garnacho instead, a player they want(ed) anyway and who seemed keen enough to go, and who probably could essentially be 'swapped' for Osimhen?
I'd rather sell Hojlund and Napoli seemingly have interest. Maybe McT can persuade him to join them. Also, why not selling both to them for a combined 80m? They should have enough money from the Kvicha and Osimhen deals. Also, individual deals are better for the PSR than straight swaps I think.
Nicely said.
I see loads of comments on him not showing up against big teams, having crappy first touch or linkup play…
He’d be such an upgrade on Hojlund. And even Hojlund, who spends half the game on his butt, would by now be on 10+ goals if he only finished those tap-ins like he missed last nite.
Highly doubt he won’t give us at least 15 goals per league season, and with huge upwards potential
He comes from Serie A but he has the PL profile. Quick, very physical, athletic, great in the box, great aerially, and great in heading. Literally what PL is all about high pace, physical, and aerially very demanding. It’s about the profile. If he goes to La Liga then that’s where the doubt is whether he has the technical requirement to meet the La Liga’s profile.
Chelsea spent the whole of transfer deadline day trying to sign him and made 4 or 5 different offers and he refused every single one.
He agreed a 600k tax free deal to Saudi Arabia only for Napoli to scupper the transfer by demanding a bigger transfer fee.
He's looking for his next contract to be a massive pay day so for that very reason alone we should walk away.
I haven't followed the story super closely, but I can't help wonder if he was that good why is he playing in a 2nd tier league in Turkey at 26 years old.
He previously played in the French league for Lille and was excellent there as well, he was actually a relative big money signing for Napoli
At Napoli he alongside the Georgian winger starred as they won them their first league title since Maradona. But then fell out with the club due to issues having to do with racism. Chelsea tried to sign, move didn't work out some claimed he asked for too much money others claim Napoli priced him out of a move. Window closed and Turkey was possible so went there on loan because no chance he continues to play at Napoli.
Bruno Fernandes was 25 and playing in the portuguese league.
Napoli's Osimhen valuation was ridiculous at one point - he fell out with the club because the club's official social media accounts decided to post insensitive content ridiculing him - the fallout culminated in the move to Gala
I'm not convinced by Osimhen on a technical level, but he's a hardworker and a handful for defenders to deal with - and far better than what we have currently
What I do find interesting is that our team tend to look for and find certain attackers much more regularly than others.
For example - Weghorst would be on the pitch for minutes and no one would cross the ball or pass to him anywhere near the box, next thing you know Rashford replaces him up front and all of a sudden, they're crossing the ball (to Rashford who isn't particularly great in the air), and they're looking for him as much as possible.
Same goes for Højlund and Zirkzee. Zirkzee is very rarely in the box but our players instinctively look for him a lot more, and it feels like he gets a lot more clear chances (which he regularly fluffs by the way) than Højlund.
Is it that players like Højlund and Weghorst don't make the right runs, or is it our players don't trust them, having gotten their measure in training, or is it because they don't expect them to make the right run, so don't automatically look for them to pass the ball to? Perhaps a combination of all 3 things, but it is intriguing.
I think if you brought in a striker the team rated, they'd get more chances than say Højlund.
So a slightly younger Lukaku is what you’re telling us he is
I don’t think his all round game is good enough.
Have you thought about why?
Weghorst was terrible in the air and was a slow as Zirkzee is so was rarely there when he needed to be, Højlund has terrible control and too often makes the wrong runs, Zirkzee has great control but is slow, Rashford's main asset was being quick and was able to get on the end of things but not mich else and latterly he wasn't that quick anymore