Victor Osimhen

If it turns out that we genuinely are trying to make this happen, ie we publicly start negotiating etc, then this will be a proper show of intent from Ineos.

However, given the shit show that we are, including our desperation to find a goal scorer, it’ll be interesting to see what salary we offer vs what Osimhen wants.

EDIT: BTW I don’t think he alone can be our saviour this season. An upgrade on our striking options? He should be, therefore we’ll probably be more clinical in and around the box. But we have many other issues to fix too, otherwise he won’t have a chance to show his best.
 
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I don't buy it. Think Osimhen won't end up in England unless it's Chelsea. We should be avoiding him either way IMO.
 
I really like him as a striker, and I’d take him. But how is he meant to score when we just don’t create chances. It’s hardly like Holjund is fluffing chances.

We need to spend any remaining money we have on a high quality attacking midfielder and LWB, that can actually generate chances for our strikers.
 
Redivy said:
I really like him as a striker, and I’d take him. But how is he meant to score when we just don’t create chances. It’s hardly like Holjund is fluffing chances.

We need to spend any remaining money we have on a high quality attacking midfielder and LWB, that can actually generate chances for our strikers.
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Tbf we do miss a lot of chances as well. I think we would score a lot more with a striker like him and Højlund could probably benefit from him. It’s not easy for Højlund to be the main man at this stage of his career.
 
Redivy said:
I really like him as a striker, and I’d take him. But how is he meant to score when we just don’t create chances. It’s hardly like Holjund is fluffing chances.

We need to spend any remaining money we have on a high quality attacking midfielder and LWB, that can actually generate chances for our strikers.
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Care to suggest any targets for LWB and AM, agree we need to improve the chance creation options but still need that proven striker too. I feel that this guy or Gyokeres would both fit the bill.
 
Redivy said:
I really like him as a striker, and I’d take him. But how is he meant to score when we just don’t create chances. It’s hardly like Holjund is fluffing chances.

We need to spend any remaining money we have on a high quality attacking midfielder and LWB, that can actually generate chances for our strikers.
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While there is definitely a problem with our players not creating chances for others, part of the blame definitely goes on to Hojlund as well. His finishing when he gets into position is good, but his movement to actually get on the end of chances is quite bad. Even Zirkzee is taking over double the amount of shots per game. And it's not because Zirkzee is playing deeper and taking shots from further out or anything, as his average distance from goal for those shots is actually a couple of metres closer than Hojlund's. He's just got better movement in the box to actually get on the end of balls, despite not actually being particularly good at it either.

Strangely, going purely by statistics Zirkzee has been comfortably better than Hojlund at almost every aspect this season (in the league at least). More goals, more shots, more assists, more passes, more progressive passes and passing into the penalty box, and even defensively Zirkzee has been significantly better. The defensive stats in particular are extremely surprising, to the extent that Hojlund looks like one of the worst strikers in the league for helping out defensively while Zirkzee looks like one of the best (albeit only in the middle and defensive thirds, he's very poor in the attacking third). While I don't think Zirkzee has been quite as bad as others make out and he doesn't suit Amorim's system, I certainly wasn't expecting that. It's only based on roughly 8 games worth of minutes for him though (10 for Hojlund).

Anyway, back to Osimhen or any other particularly good striker, I would expect them to get on the end of significantly more chances than Hojlund does as their movement will be better. Not as many as we'd like since we'd still have the issue of players not creating the chances, but still a lot better.
 
MadDogg said:
While there is definitely a problem with our players not creating chances for others, part of the blame definitely goes on to Hojlund as well. His finishing when he gets into position is good, but his movement to actually get on the end of chances is quite bad. Even Zirkzee is taking over double the amount of shots per game. And it's not because Zirkzee is playing deeper and taking shots from further out or anything, as his average distance from goal for those shots is actually a couple of metres closer than Hojlund's. He's just got better movement in the box to actually get on the end of balls, despite not actually being particularly good at it either.

Strangely, going purely by statistics Zirkzee has been comfortably better than Hojlund at almost every aspect this season (in the league at least). More goals, more shots, more assists, more passes, more progressive passes and passing into the penalty box, and even defensively Zirkzee has been significantly better. The defensive stats in particular are extremely surprising, to the extent that Hojlund looks like one of the worst strikers in the league for helping out defensively while Zirkzee looks like one of the best (albeit only in the middle and defensive thirds, he's very poor in the attacking third). While I don't think Zirkzee has been quite as bad as others make out and he doesn't suit Amorim's system, I certainly wasn't expecting that. It's only based on roughly 8 games worth of minutes for him though (10 for Hojlund).

Anyway, back to Osimhen or any other particularly good striker, I would expect them to get on the end of significantly more chances than Hojlund does as their movement will be better. Not as many as we'd like since we'd still have the issue of players not creating the chances, but still a lot better.
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I suspect Hojlunds poor movement would come into light the moment we play with a top striker
 
Squeaky_Bum_Time said:
One negative that stands out is not winning a lot of headers from all the long balls that came his way. Fbref has him at 48 percentile for aerials won. Median, not too bad, but not great.

But I like a lot of other aspects of his game.
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Yeah despite his stature he’s not a striker that backs into and bullies defenders. Despite scoring a lot of headers he’s not a target man and he’s more a fantastic pressing forward who is very aggressive with his off the ball movements. He can also link play okay but where he is dangerous is in the box as a poacher due to his good anticipation for aerial and on the ground opportunities.

Hes quite a unique profile of a striker tbh. Right now I would absolutely take him on loan with an option to buy in the summer if we were able to do some sort Weghorst-esque deal to get him out of his current loan.
 
Squeaky_Bum_Time said:
One negative that stands out is not winning a lot of headers from all the long balls that came his way. Fbref has him at 48 percentile for aerials won. Median, not too bad, but not great.

But I like a lot of other aspects of his game.
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Small sample size, but he doesn’t look any better than Hojlund in that video. Doesn’t win enough in the air, hold up play not amazing and looks less clinical.

However, would definitely help share the load and is a world ahead of Zirkzee and Rashford in terms of what we need.
 
If we could get Gyokeres and Osimhen that would be some strike force

Gyokeres, Osimhen and Hojlund
 
El-Manos said:
That won’t happen anyway :lol: One or the other surely considering we need to improve another 29 areas
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One can dream :lol:

If Rashford and Zirkzee go, I believe it could happen.

While I agree LWB is more pressing think both areas are needed. Amad is good as a RWB

Rest can wait till summer
 
My cash would be on him joining Arsenal. They can offer him Champions League football and there is a belief that they're short of a striker to take them to the next level. We're probably miles away from being able to attract the top level players currently.
 
What kind of personality does he have? Don't want another Hollywood diva in the squad.

I am asking because there is a video from couple months ago where he started an instagam live and he was raging and shouting while calling out his national team manager. Having a go at your current national team manager on instagram live doesn't fill me with confidence about his personality. At the end of the video some guy that was in the room with him had to force him to end the instagram live.
 
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Squeaky_Bum_Time said:
One negative that stands out is not winning a lot of headers from all the long balls that came his way. Fbref has him at 48 percentile for aerials won. Median, not too bad, but not great.

But I like a lot of other aspects of his game.
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And his passing and shooting were poor, he won't get that much time and space in the pl.
 
Hope we can bring him in on a loan deal as gyorkes is probably unfeasible as of now.

Could be the difference between a 10th place finish and and a European spot.
 
His 22/23 season was great and based on that I advocated for his signing, but since then I haven't really heard his name much?
 
Red the Bear said:
Hope we can bring him in on a loan deal as gyorkes is probably unfeasible as of now.

Could be the difference between a 10th place finish and and a European spot.
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I don't think Napoli can recall him unless it's for a sale
 
Raoul said:
Would rather see us swap Rashy for Kvaratskhelia and buy Gyokeres. Having the latter two on the same side would be unreal.
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Yeah but Napoli may be tempted to swap for Osimhen cause he has fallen out there and is on big wages as well.

Doubt they will be tempted for Kvara unless we pay a lot.
 
Why don't Napoli want him, or him them? Worrying signs that he's in Turkey having been one of their star men. 6 month loan, let him shine, and then don't fall into the trap of signing him permanently.
 
Look-a-Hill said:
Why don't Napoli want him, or him them? Worrying signs that he's in Turkey having been one of their star men. 6 month loan, let him shine, and then don't fall into the trap of signing him permanently.
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Their CEO/President is a spiky character and he fell out with them after he was desperate to leave for a while and they priced him out of a move and it turned into a situation where he basically wasn't going to play for them.
 
Look-a-Hill said:
Why don't Napoli want him, or him them? Worrying signs that he's in Turkey having been one of their star men. 6 month loan, let him shine, and then don't fall into the trap of signing him permanently.
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He's fallen out with Napoli, don't think its down to form. As for why he's at Galatasaray, I believe that was his agent fecking up in the summer, for which he was ceremoniously sacked.
 
Loan with option to buy would be ideal. If he smashes it here go for it, if not then go for Gykores in the summer.
 
Woodzy said:
Loan with option to buy would be ideal. If he smashes it here go for it, if not then go for Gykores in the summer.
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He's currently on loan - don't think Napoli can recall unless it's for a sale
 
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