I watch serie A and while i wouldn't call Osimhen a world class striker just yet, this idea that a bigger, faster version of Jamie Vardy would fail in england due to a perceived lack of technique is weird
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Weird how any time some people rate a particular player, you've got a bunch of people who don't feel the same ready to belittle their opinions while claiming they can't share their opinion as they do just that.
The whole point and fun of a forum is to have discussions and share a variety of contrasting opinions, no need to be disingenous or use bad faith framing when opining.
The whole point and fun of a forum is to have discussions and share a variety of contrasting opinions, no need to be disingenous or use bad faith framing when opining.
Do you not think Dortmund will get the extension and sell for a huge sum? No way he will go for a free
Yeah you're probably right. Would be the dream signing for me.
Yea he's not world class yet but not many are at 23 years old.
We've seen players less talented adapt well and we've also seen more technically gifted ones not pan out. We like to act like the league is leagues greater skill wise than other leagues in Europe but that's not the case in reality.
If it were then one of the greatest players to ever play in England like Hazard wouldn't become a massive flop in Spain. It's not that black and white.
He certainly does have the tools and mental makeup to translate to the PL and it's hard not to think he would have a decent grasp of the English game already coming from a nation that supports the PL more than most like Nigeria.
Me too, the kid is one of the future strikers out there. I hope I'm wrong, only in the instance that we sign him for free!
This. I watch Napoli weekly and whatever technique he lacks is no worse than some of the strikers in England.
See I watched a lot of Sancho and Dortmind, and was noticeably against us signing him at the price we did to the point of getting called out by a lot of people on this forum. But I rate Osimhen a lot, his technique sticks out to me as very good every time I watch Napoli. Yes he is physical and fast, but calling him just that is doing a disservice to his actual footballing abilities.
Not sure if serious...
I posted something in the newbie forum about Osimhen. I know the proposed fee of £100m is enormous but we have a lot of players in our squad who can be sold for a combined amount near to this. Thinking Henderson, AWB, Bailly, Donny, Pellistri etc. Even possibly Maguire. That’s without taking the wages of Ronaldo off the books. With a properly organised sale and whatever budget we have we can replace squad players and fork out for Osimhen, or another top striker.
There is a lot of deadwood in the squad that just isn’t necessary. It’s wasteful.
There is a lot of deadwood in the squad that just isn’t necessary. It’s wasteful.
Right now I’ll even take Victor Meldrew up front!
I can only hear that in Father Ted’s accent
Harry Kane
Not sure why technique is the issue here. Lot of strikers with lack of technique made it in PL. People used Lukaku as example of failure in PL when you don't have technique. Well, if Lukaku has great movement like a fox, his lack of technique wouldn't be a hindrance. How is Osimhen with his movement? Is he like Haaland or Cavani movement?
Would love him here. We need more Victors in our team.
I don’t remember anyone calling him world class
Absolutely brilliant player. But absolutely the sort of deal we should avoid. We need to stop spending massive amounts on star players maybe try building an actual squad. We need a striker, but we also need a right back, center back maybe another midfielder.
His off ball movement is great. He always run without the ball. The problem of Osimhen is his first touch... That is Lukaku’s first touch... That you Utd's supporters already well know!
Salah is an exemple of a striker great in serie a and then great in premier league. Because he has the skills and the technique. In Italy you must search strikers with creativity, technique and dribbling. Example: Kvaratskhelia is word class in Italy and will be word class in England.
Buy in Serie A a physical striker with average skills is very, very risky. Because all the strikers with great physique in serie a are dominant, but in premier the physique without tecnichal skills is not enough.
Osimhen is a good player, but never, never a 100m striker. If you pay 60+ for him you get robbed. If Napoli, for exemple, the next year buy Tarem Moffi (Lorient striker, similar to Osimhen), in Italy he will be dominant as Osimhen.
Why do you feel everyone is obliged to agree with you??
Cavani's first touch is not good either but United fans like his first season because his off ball movement is great.
The issue about Lukaku's first touch is because he doesn't offer anything in his off ball movement. If he has great off ball movement, no one will complain with his first touch. So as a striker, he needs to have either good first touch or good off ball movement to be two different kind of strikers (striker who can hold the ball to bring others into play or a poacher who move like a fox to score goals). Lukaku has neither.
What am I reading? Terrem Moffi isn't fit to tie Osimhen's shoelaces.You may watch the Italian league but I doubt you have the nous to parse through what you're watching.
Comparing Osimhen's first touch with Lukaku's??
Okay, let's have the Osimhen poor touch Youtube compilations then. Or any examples you can find.
Edit, meanwhile, performances against the English teams you insist he will struggle against:
Leicester:
Chelsea:
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Osimhen does look a bit untidy to be fair, a little chaotic. But a real handful for defences. A little like Nuñez perhaps.
Personally think we need more of a strong target man/pivot striker who can hold the ball up and occupy defences. Like a Brobbey, only good. We already have a few pacy run-in-behind forwards.
Personally think we need more of a strong target man/pivot striker who can hold the ball up and occupy defences. Like a Brobbey, only good. We already have a few pacy run-in-behind forwards.
Completely agree, reminds me a lot of Nunez with more physicality but slightly worse technical ability / finishing (apart from heading where he does look very strong in fairness).
I think if any Utd fan watches the clip vs Leicester above and thinks, hell yeah that’s what we need I think they need checking. Will be a similar outcome as Lukaku with Utd fans getting frustrated game after game with his poor touches and loose shooting. Don’t get me wrong I think he could score a few goals, but so did Lukaku.
If we were about to buy him for 40-50m, maybe. Just because of the lack of quality forwards out there and at that price it won’t look horrendous when he inevitably becomes a rotation player. But at 100m we have to give this one a miss as there are simply too many other areas that need filling and he is not a shoe-in investment where it might be worth it.
Need to be on the hunt for the next Benzema or Lewa, they are out there somewhere!
Is he ready to start banging goals in EPL like Haaland or need to be nurture further ?
100m ? if he has the same scoring rate as haaland.
His injuries have been freak injuries and several bouts of covid. COmpletely random and not some sign of an injury riddled sicknote.
Think its natural but people place too much emphasis on silky skills and aesthetics in forwards. The reality is for most of the game a striker won't be touching the ball so there is a much greater emphasis on off the ball qualities which Osimhen has in abundance. He leads the line, bullies defenders is great in the air and although possessing an awkward style is also well able to finish. It's not as if we haven't seen him do it against the likes of Liverpool either. He'll never be a Ronaldo Nazario or even a Robin van Persie in terms of all round play but the game has moved on and we need players who are happier not to be getting touches every two minutes like CR7 demands and more willing to maintains positional discipline which helps our attacking shape and lead the press.
The Caf wants a striker with the touch of Dennis Bergkamp, the aerial prowess of Batistuta and Harry Kane’s playmaking for around £50M and around 23 years of age.
I remember all the “Haaland is a donkey” posts from times past. The Caf is incredible.
I remember all the “Haaland is a donkey” posts from times past. The Caf is incredible.
Terem Moffi can’t even make the National team squads (where Osimhen is the first name on the list).
This is fantasy thinking. Osimhen has displayed the goods in Germany (Wolfsburg), France (Lille) and Napoli (Italy). Proven in three of the top five leagues in Europe.
This is correct.
In general people like the idea of their centre-forward getting involved in play a lot, because it suggests a level of all-round technical accomplishment and finesse that people naturally think of as an inherent positive.
But in the case of our actual team, our needs lie in the opposite direction. We lack a CF who isn't drawn to the ball, but who instead spends most of the game playing between the width of the opposition box and constantly looking to get behind, between and in the face of the opposition centre-backs.
In really basic terms, we need someone who provides a presence in the box others can create high value chances for, particularly from crosses. And the more ETH gets us controlling games and the more we end up parked outside the opposition's box, the more that becomes the case. With that profile of a CF technique becomes less important relative to off the ball movement and physicality.
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People mentioning Lukaku have a fundamental misunderstanding of why Lukaku fails at the highest level of the game. His problem isn't lack of technical skills. It's lack of shots. Lukaku does not shoot enough for a top striker. It's that simple. He doesn't get himself into enough good positions, doesn't lose his man enough times, and as a result, doesn't offer a big enough threat
Osimhen doesn't have this problem
Osimhen doesn't have this problem
In England especially for United it was a stand out problem. He couldn't hold the ball up and his first touch lost him so many chances.
That has stuck with people.
Yeah, Osimhen is a shot monster and I think like Darwin Nunez he gets criticised because he misses a fair amount of chances. However, he only misses lots of chances because he has created a chance to begin with. More importantly he's also putting away a lot of chances too. I think his box movement is better than Darwin's though and he's better in the air.
Haaland has the same problem. It just doesn't matter because he averages over 4.5 shots per game, so he scores at a preposterous rate, so everything else becomes meaningless in the face of that
Haalands touch is very, very good. Comparing him to Lukaku in that perspect is weird.
I think your memory is making you forget just how bad he was at United. I've never seen Haaland trip over the ball when trying to run or balloon it away when trying to control the ball.
Your shot stat is certainly valid - but Lukaku ruined attacks all by himself by simply failing to control the ball.
It really isn't. Haaland's touch is at best average. He isn't and probably never will be a plus to his team's buildup on the ball. What sets him apart is what he does off of it
And what i'm saying is none of that would have mattered if Lukaku was a better goal threat. If he got himself into positions to get 4 shots off per game, and scored 30+ goals a season, nobody would give a rat's arse about him tripping over the ball or miscontrolling it. For all those instances of clumsiness I can point out stuff like his run to set up KDB against Brazil
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