Who has a higher ceiling - him or Isak?
Victor Osimhen | out of options | goes to Gala on loan
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Football goes in cycles. Pep and klopp both just signed similar 9s Vs playing with false 9s for years
Fantastic post - maybe sign him next year if we get Antony this yearOf the possible striker options I've seen enough of to have an opinion on, he's the one I'd like the most (price tag aside). Young, tall, strong, fast, presses well and is very dangerous in the box. As long as you don't expect your CF to get overly involved in general play I haven't seen anything to put me off.
Stats-wise last season he was 92nd percentile for non-penalty goals, 91st for non-penalty xG, 91st for tackles in the attacking third and 84th for pressures in the final third. To put that goalscoring rate into context, here's a comparison with two other players you'd know in terms of their non-penalty goals per 90 in the Serie A:
Osimhen: 0.57, 0.64
Lukaku: 0.51, 0.56
Ronaldo: 0.54, 0.59, 0.74.
And in terms of what I said about him being dangerous in the box, the below showing where he gets his goals/chances is telling:
Never seen him play live from what I can remember but in the highlights he looks amazing in the air, but a bit gangly/clumsy on the ball at times.
Tammy Abraham numbers in Serie A, I wouldn't go for Tammy as more than a back up, for those who have watched him what makes this fellow better?
Tammy Abraham numbers in Serie A, I wouldn't go for Tammy as more than a back up, for those who have watched him what makes this fellow better?
Not sure we can afford to wait
as we’ve seen with lukaku scoring well in seria a is very different than england. i’d be hesitant to spend big on any striker from that league personally.
5 of those goals are penalties for Dembele, while Osimhen doesnt take them for Napoli, Insigne does. He has only 2 goals + 2 assists more otherwise. Yeah so not that much better to make up for rest of the attributes.
He wants Ronaldo but he seems to want us to hand him over for free (kind of ok) and cover most of his wages (ridiculous) just to give him the privilege of playing for Napoli.
If we were to throw him in in part exchange it really wouldn't move the needle in terms of transfer fee that would be demanded unfortunately.
Make this Ronaldo to Napoli thing happen
The scoring part is not the issue with Lukaku, it is his poor all round game.
There is absolutely no way he'd rather stay with Napoli because they play in the Champions League. They won't get far any way, and United will be in Champions League next season (most likely). Playing for United is every Nigerian's dream. We're the biggest team in the world there. He would be paid a lot more here and play in the biggest league in the world.
Shame about the price, really. If it was up to me, I'd rather have Antony for now and go for Osimhen next season, if he keeps progressing of course.
Shame about the price, really. If it was up to me, I'd rather have Antony for now and go for Osimhen next season, if he keeps progressing of course.
Hmm.. was Tammy Abraham better than him?
Haven’t seen him play. What type of striker is he?
Is he someone that is more a target man & holds it up well to bring others into play?
OR
Is he a more a poacher and always playing on the edge of the defender’s shoulders and basically being in the right place at the right time?
Is he someone that is more a target man & holds it up well to bring others into play?
OR
Is he a more a poacher and always playing on the edge of the defender’s shoulders and basically being in the right place at the right time?
That's a fair response, is it not a concern he doesn't take them at Napoli and they feel a winger is better placed than a striker?
Some of his hold up play and movement looked good in that video, but a significant number of his touches were heavy and I wonder whether he’d suit PL football.
Was it a concern when Irwin took them for United? Or Jorginho for Chelsea?
Chances of us being in CL next year on league position only is 20%…..I don’t know what people are smoking…
Pool, City are 100% to finish on top 4….
And 2 positions between Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and Us….
The only other option is to win EL….
That's nothing unusual. Our best penalty takers have included Ronaldo when he was on the wing, Pogba and Bruno. Position isn't a big deal at all when it comes to penalty taking.
No because they were set piece specialists, I don't think Insigne is. Anyway to not detract from the matter at hand which is Osimhen, I don't doubt he's a good player but he's more of a Firmino/ Martial (Hold up, bring others in, false 9 kind of striker) and I'd really like us to make use of someone who is more clinical simply and has more penalty box presence.
TBH I am not sure of the reason or his penalty record but even here Bruno takes them ahead of Ronaldo. As I said his finishing needs work but he makes up for it in other areas, I am sure he could improve, he is just 23 still.
"Penalty box presence" strikers generally aren't suited to a high press game, are they? Genuine question. Feels like they're two different kind of mindsets.
For me that doesn't limit us to just the "Inzaghi" type if you will, high press is an ability with work rate without the ball, with the ball I want to see that striker always be on the line or the furthest forward, the anti Rashford (If you look at Rashford heatmaps he regularly plays deeper than the 10)
Is he injury prone or just been unlucky with them?
People saying no? He'd moonwalk through out front 3.
Not even close. Osimhen is pretty much a better version of him.
You know that Insigne was Napoli penalty taker even when Jorginho was there? Jorginho who then hoards penalty at Chelsea. There is nothing wrong with non striker take penalty.
Insigne rarely missed penalty until last season.
I think this might have legs if it's a loan deal with an obligation to buy and ronaldo going the other way. Effectively, we'd be swapping forwards and we'd continue to pay ronaldo's wages, while the large outlay of a transfer fee is deferred until next summer.
But a full transfer seems unlikely unless we drop our pursuit of Antony.
But a full transfer seems unlikely unless we drop our pursuit of Antony.
Loan is only way we get both ain't happening
Tammy Abraham played considerable more minutes. Got a few penalty goals too. So non penalty goal wise, goal per minute, Osimhen is superior.
Tammy a few season back got 15+ goals in PL or something, so he's not bad himself. Tammy was prolific on loan in Championship too. Style wise, they're very similar. Tammy shows the edge with his physique (height, long leg), but strength, athleticism wise, he's no where as dominating as Osimhen. Osimhen is level above physicality athleticism wise. Oshimhen is much more comfortable being the lone forward, target man being double teamed. He can run, battle better than Tammy. Osimhen naturally imposes himself in the game.
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How the striker plays is often down to manager tactics as well as players. Having watched our games so far, I'm not certain that the strikers are on instruction to always be in the box.
So it's really difficult to criticise our own players or other teams' players if the players are playing deep by manager instruction. It's up to the scouts, recruiters and managers to establish if the player will suit the manager's tactics and so far this window it seems that has been happening, so if this player is brought in then I imagine they would have looked into this.
The other thing is that in the admittedly brief glimpses we've had of him so far, Martial looks like a man reborn under EtH. When everyone is fit, Martial could play wide left with Sancho on the right and Osimhen up top. It seems to make a lot more sense than signing Antony because it means we have two guys who can play the no. 9 role in the squad at a high level (important because both Martial and Osimhen seem to get injured quite a bit) and it also leaves us free to partially offset the Osimhen cost by flogging Rashford for £50m.
Garnacho can be our reserve winger- he's ready and may well be as good as Antony if given opportunities anyway.
Garnacho can be our reserve winger- he's ready and may well be as good as Antony if given opportunities anyway.
Wish we would sell Rashford to buy this guy
I can’t help watch him and think he looks a bit shit on the ball
don’t want, we have players who can run in behind it’s the other style of forward we need
don’t want, we have players who can run in behind it’s the other style of forward we need
I think in ETH we have a manager who knows when a young player is ready. Good to see Garnacho on the bench but have a feeling there’s some reservations about him playing in the PL just now in a tight game.
He can score that's good enough
He's not a poacher at all, he's a real modern all round forward. Good dribbler, energetic, runs the channels, can press and hold the ball up. He's like a cross between Rashford and Martial tbh. I'd love him here for a reasonable fee.
Ronaldo can score
It’s not good enough
Not getting him for reasonable fee, only way we raise enough is selling one of them
We're not selling Rashford or Martial (unless we got a ridiculous fee from an oil club, which we won't). Only hope is a deal involving Ronaldo due to getting his wages off the books, and if Napoli will be stupid enough to sacrifice some of the transfer fee for VO in exchange for the coup of getting Ronaldo. In short, not likely to happen this window. One to keep an eye on when his contract gets closer to expiry and the fee is more reasonable.