[mancan92]

He is alright but let's be honest he was playing against a kid upfront for Norwich yesterday

 

[Ekeke]

As a change, I agree with @Ekeke
I mean it’s good Lindelof hasn’t been dribbled, but this kind of stat also shows what type of defender he is. Lindelof doesn’t dwfend with tackles but more following the attacker.
The best are defenders like VVD who master both ways.

I do think he's a decent tackler when he does actually go in for the challenge though its just not often.

And more importantly, I want to see less of the moments that stick out in my memory like against Wolves where Traore had a heavy touch and Lindelof is backing off so he couldnt make him pay for the heavy touch, so Traore carried on his dribble. Maguire came in and made a strong tackle to stop him.

That to me is an example of what I dont want to see, other players having to do something because Lindelof backs off. If he doesn't do stuff like that, then its not significant on its own that he doesnt make many tackles. It matters in the larger data set of all the ways a CB might win the ball - if thats low, and it is a bit low with Lindelof, then thats where I'm not too convinced. Its not tackles alone.

 

[A-man]

Seems a little unfair to compare a CB for Utd against the best in the world currently. The best do but not sure anyone is saying he's the best. I think if he played in a side Leicester, he'd look good. Johnny Evans was terrible here and Harry looked better in a Leicester shirt. Lindelof is probably a 40m CB playing for a team that currently is his level. When we have VVD type of quality players, then it will be more apparent about other players levels.

I didn’t mean to compare him with the best CBs in the world. My point is that most defenders are either those who push with tackles etc, or those who follow their opponent. The absolute best can do both. VVD also has the ability to switch between aggressive and calm in a very impressive way.

 

[Raven]

I just named you another shit show that Lindelof made against Crystal Palace and I can give you extra bonus as reminder of what he did against City few days ago and also when he ran away from his player that led to Arsenal's first goal. Your turn, give me some example to level the mistakes that I just named.

As has already been said in this thread, nobody is going and trawling through our games to find examples. You said that Maguire and AWB are far better because they make fewer mistakes, the onus is on you to prove that, not provide specific incidents, because that does not prove what you're saying. If you have stats to back up what you're saying then by all means, please share.

 

[Raven]

Agree. I think some players that are signed who either weren't the player fans wanted made worse when they started poorly, it's hard for fans to see beyond that. They seem to be anchored there and will always focus on what he can't do or mistakes yet not when they do things right. Where are the clips with the blocks he made against City away? The vultures will always be circling him, Fred et al.

It's much like the hate that Martial gets, generally way off the mark.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

It's much like the hate that Martial gets, generally way off the mark.

That poster is subjective as f. Don't bother arguing with him.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

As has already been said in this thread, nobody is going and trawling through our games to find examples. You said that Maguire and AWB are far better because they make fewer mistakes, the onus is on you to prove that, not provide specific incidents, because that does not prove what you're saying. If you have stats to back up what you're saying then by all means, please share.

Why are you making assumption to suit your argument?

I said Lindelof have made many mistakes which lead to my statement that he’s been bad this season. I did show you some of mistakes that he made to backup the statement, and most of those mistakes that I mentioned came from in a month period which is considered to be a lot for just a month.

I never even mentioned that Maguire & Bissaka to be far better. All I did ever mentioned those names was when I asked you a question “Do you think Maguire & AWB made as many major defensive errors as Lindelof?“ So I have no reason to back up a statement that I never made.

 

[Raven]

That poster is subjective as f. Don't bother arguing with him.

Yeah, I think you're right, I'm pissing in the wind here.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

Why are you making assumption to suit your argument?

I said Lindelof have made many mistakes which lead to my statement that he’s been bad this season. I did show you some of mistakes that he made to backup the statement, and most of those mistakes that I mentioned came from in a month period which is considered to be a lot for just a month.

I never even mentioned that Maguire & Bissaka to be far better. All I did ever mentioned those names was when I asked you a question “Do you think Maguire & AWB made as many major defensive errors as Lindelof?“ So I have no reason to back up a statement that I never made.

When you are putting a player in a system that does not suit his abilities or style of play, then yes. He is likely to make more mistakes compared to him playing in a system suited to his abilities. Lindelof against physically good players is asking for trouble, especially when defending from crosses. The same as all the mistakes AWB makes when on the ball or in the attack. Or Maguire getting left for dead by Lacazette, or in situations where mobility is needed.

 

[Ekeke]

Seems a little unfair to compare a CB for Utd against the best in the world currently. The best do but not sure anyone is saying he's the best. I think if he played in a side Leicester, he'd look good. Johnny Evans was terrible here and Harry looked better in a Leicester shirt. Lindelof is probably a 40m CB playing for a team that currently is his level. When we have VVD type of quality players, then it will be more apparent about other players levels.

Evans has matured as a player since he was here. He looked just as physically weak as Lindelof when he was a starter here, he now holds his own physically with players though he obviously still doesnt have speed

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

When you are putting a player in a system that does not suit his abilities or style of play, then yes. He is likely to make more mistakes compared to him playing in a system suited to his abilities. Lindelof against physically good players is asking for trouble, especially when defending from crosses. The same as all the mistakes AWB makes when on the ball or in the attack. Or Maguire getting left for dead by Lacazette, or in situations where mobility is needed.

In other word Lindelof doesn’t suit with EPL football.

You are calling me being subjective and told others not to reply or ague, and here you are replying to my post. I find it very strange.

 

[Kostov]

Seems a little unfair to compare a CB for Utd against the best in the world currently. The best do but not sure anyone is saying he's the best. I think if he played in a side Leicester, he'd look good. Johnny Evans was terrible here and Harry looked better in a Leicester shirt. Lindelof is probably a 40m CB playing for a team that currently is his level. When we have VVD type of quality players, then it will be more apparent about other players levels.

Jonny Evans was part of a tittles winning and record breaking defense here, Evans was a very very good CB for us. “Terrible here” would describe him only someone with a very selective memory. Evans is also better than Lindelof, comfortably.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

In other word Lindelof doesn’t suit with EPL football.

You are calling me being subjective and told others not to reply or ague, and here you are replying to my post. I find it very strange.

I tried explaining to you why Lindelof making mistakes is understandable given that he is used in a manner that is not suited to his abilities or strengths as a player. If I asked Mata to play like Daniel James, and him making mistakes or not performing in a role as a pacey winger, would it be fair to use this as a basis for an argument as for why Mata is not good enough?

Lindelof would suit a team more capable at dominating games, passing with intention etc. In other words, a team playing a relevant and competitive type of football.

I had time to kill, so I could just as well play some chess with a pigeon.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Jonny Evans was part of a tittles winning and record breaking defense here, Evans was a very very good CB for us. “Terrible here” would describe him only someone with a very selective memory. Evans is also better than Lindelof, comfortably.

I’ll 2nd this.

Evans was absolutely very good CB for us, he was able to fill in the absence of Vidic. The guy is also a centre back with very good long range passing who can made the pass with both feet. To even compare him to Lindelof is such a terrible comparison. His issue was that he’s an injury prone and LVG probably sold him because the spit incident, if I remember correctly since the spit incident with Cisse, I don’t think LVG ever played him anymore.

 

[Kostov]

I tried explaining to you why Lindelof making mistakes is understandable given that he is used in a manner that is not suited to his abilities or strengths as a player. If I asked Mata to play like Daniel James, and him making mistakes or not performing in a role as a pacey winger, would it be fair to use this as a basis for an argument as for why Mata is not good enough?

Lindelof would suit a team more capable at dominating games, passing with intention etc. In other words, a team playing a relevant and competitive type of football.

I had time to kill, so I could just as well play some chess with a pigeon.

@UNITED ACADEMY is making a very valid point regarding whether he suits the Premier League. Every team in the PL has an attacker that would bully him imo. Whether he plays for us or City it would be the same story.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I tried explaining to you why Lindelof making mistakes is understandable given that he is used in a manner that is not suited to his abilities or strengths as a player. If I asked Mata to play like Daniel James, and him making mistakes or not performing in a role as a pacey winger, would it be fair to use this as a basis for an argument as for why Mata is not good enough?

Lindelof would suit a team more capable at dominating games, passing with intention etc. In other words, a team playing a relevant and competitive type of football.

I had time to kill, so I could just as well play some chess with a pigeon.

You don’t need to insult though.

The issue here that EPL consists lot of physical attackers that can bully defenders week in week out. No matter how much you want to dominate the game with 70% or above possession, it’s important to have centre back who can‘t be bullied easily. Beside, Lindelof tends to give the ball away when he’s being pressed, in contrast to Maguire who is capable to hold the ball even under pressure. Lindelof’s strength or main abilities in his ball playing isn’t that outstanding.

 

[Litch]

Evans has matured as a player since he was here. He looked just as physically weak as Lindelof when he was a starter here, he now holds his own physically with players though he obviously still doesnt have speed

Might be the case as I believe he's 32 which is 7 years older than Lindelof. I think more so than any position, CB's and GK's find themselves when the get closer to their 30's. I think when you sign a player at his age, you have to accept mistakes are going to happen. The problem is we watch our players in a forensic way yet happy to make assessments of others watching 10 min highlights. Let's also not forget the weight of playing for this team is unlike any other in PL and maybe only very few teams in Europe. Let's not forget where this lad came from either. Whether he's good enough or not, and not saying his ceiling is VVD, not many saw the player he became at 23/24.....

 

[Litch]

@UNITED ACADEMY is making a very valid point regarding whether he suits the Premier League. Every team in the PL has an attacker that would bully him imo. Whether he plays for us or City it would be the same story.

You continue to make such broad sweeping statements which are factual wrong. Lindelof playing with basically multi partners last season was arguably our player of the season. How could he achieve that by being bullied by the same attackers as this season? He makes mistakes, all CB especially relatively young ones makes mistakes.

 

[Litch]

Jonny Evans was part of a tittles winning and record breaking defense here, Evans was a very very good CB for us. “Terrible here” would describe him only someone with a very selective memory. Evans is also better than Lindelof, comfortably.

Selective? He was that good he ended up at WBA who weren't that good as they are now. Not selective at all and during a time where we were still trying to find CB's, if he was that good, he'd have still been here. Very, very good is absolutely laughable. He was shocking.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

@UNITED ACADEMY is making a very valid point regarding whether he suits the Premier League. Every team in the PL has an attacker that would bully him imo. Whether he plays for us or City it would be the same story.

To some extent this is true, but it's much more dependent on your own team's approach than the average attacking player in the league. If you dominated the games in possession, played with a high press etc the number of times you would end up in situations where you would need to defend from crosses, or in duels against stronger/faster players would be significantly lower and your contributions when on the ball could outweigh your weaknesses (Fernandinho the last few games is an example of this).

In general, few of our defenders are suited to the needs of the modern centre-back. They are either to slow/immobile, weak or not consistent/good enough on the ball. Being able to contain (only VVD can beat both variations) both strong and/or fast attackers in the air and on the ground is vital for any team wanting to press high and dominate possession (which you should always aim to do against 80% of the teams you play against). The likes of Gomez and Ake are examples of this type of central defenders.

I'm in no way saying that Lindelof is good enough, but the criticism of Lindelof should take the circumstances into consideration.

 

[Litch]

I’ll 2nd this.

Evans was absolutely very good CB for us, he was able to fill in the absence of Vidic. The guy is also a centre back with very good long range passing who can made the pass with both feet. To even compare him to Lindelof is such a terrible comparison. His issue was that he’s an injury prone and LVG probably sold him because the spit incident, if I remember correctly since the spit incident with Cisse, I don’t think LVG ever played him anymore.

Another one whose carer has nipped out for a fag and left him at the keyboard.....

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

You continue to make such broad sweeping statements which are factual wrong. Lindelof playing with basically multi partners last season was arguably our player of the season. How could he achieve that by being bullied by the same attackers as this season? He makes mistakes, all CB especially relatively young ones makes mistakes.

Well, first of all. I thought our player of the season was Shaw. Second, Shaw being our player of the season doesn’t mean he’s good enough which showed what happened now that most United expect him to be replaced especially by a teenager Williams, the same with how the view on Lindelof as our player of the season last season. It was basically sums up how terrible our season was and every single our players were.

If the expectation is to be in mid table, that should answer your question.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

You don’t need to insult though.

The issue here that EPL consists lot of physical attackers that can bully defenders week in week out. No matter how much you want to dominate the game with 70% or above possession, it’s important to have centre back who can‘t be bullied easily. Beside, Lindelof tends to give the ball away when he’s being pressed, in contrast to Maguire who is capable to hold the ball even under pressure. Lindelof’s strength or main abilities in his ball playing isn’t that outstanding.

Ridiculing other posters statements can also be viewed as an insult?

Regarding the bolded part I agree, but this is also relevant for other types of duels. See my reply to @Kostov for a more elaborate answer.

Lindelof is better on the ball compared to Maguire (difficult to quantify or make a hard conclusion. Just a personal opinion), but both would benefit from playing in a team with fullbacks and central midfielders that could pass the ball. It is almost counterproductive to have central defenders that are much better on the ball than your fullbacks (AWB and shaw) and without any structured passing pattern integrated into the team.

 

[Raven]

Jonny Evans was part of a tittles winning and record breaking defense here, Evans was a very very good CB for us. “Terrible here” would describe him only someone with a very selective memory. Evans is also better than Lindelof, comfortably.

I agree with you to an extent on this one, Evans was excellent for us for the most part. Much like Lindelof he was also constantly scapegoated in almost the exact same way. Evans and Lindelof are actually quite similar as players I feel.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Ridiculing other posters statements can also be viewed as an insult?

Regarding the bolded part I agree, but this is also relevant for other types of duels. See my reply to @Kostov for a more elaborate answer.

Lindelof is better on the ball compared to Maguire (difficult to quantify or make a hard conclusion. Just a personal opinion), but both would benefit from playing in a team with fullbacks and central midfielders that could pass the ball. It is almost counterproductive to have central defenders that are much better on the ball than your fullbacks (AWB and shaw) and without any structured passing pattern integrated into the team.

’’play some chess with a pigeon‘’. That’s an insult to the poster not to the statement.

To some extent this is true, but it's much more dependent on your own team's approach than the average attacking player in the league. If you dominated the games in possession, played with a high press etc the number of times you would end up in situations where you would need to defend from crosses, or in duels against stronger/faster players would be significantly lower and your contributions when on the ball could outweigh your weaknesses (Fernandinho the last few games is an example of this).

In general, few of our defenders are suited to the needs of the modern centre-back. They are either to slow/immobile, weak or not consistent/good enough on the ball. Being able to contain (only VVD can beat both variations) both strong and/or fast attackers in the air and on the ground is vital for any team wanting to press high and dominate possession (which you should always aim to do against 80% of the teams you play against). The likes of Gomez and Ake are examples of this type of central defenders.

I'm in no way saying that Lindelof is good enough, but the criticism of Lindelof should take the circumstances into consideration.

You can have as much possession as you like but if you can’t handle high press like the two clips shown in previous page against Watford & City then that’s also part of his weakness, which is a fair criticism. In contrast to Maguire, not sure how you even find it difficult to quantify this.

Fernandinho also knows how to handle himself when being under pressure.

For something that United wants to achieve, Lindelof is currently not good enough to be regular centre back for Manchester United to play week in week out, there are too many weaknes and limit in him that opposition attackers can take advantage of it and so far they had done it. Slow, weak, not good in header & can’t hold the ball when under pressure. The list of centre back you just mentioned at least are not fully weak in all of those aspects.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

’’play some chess with a pigeon‘’. That’s an insult to the poster not to the statement.

You can have as much possession as you like but if you can’t handle high press like the two clips shown in previous page against Watford & City then that’s also part of his weakness, which is a fair criticism. In contrast to Maguire, not sure how you even find it difficult to quantify this.

Fernandinho also knows how to handle himself when being under pressure.

For something that United wants to achieve, Lindelof is currently not good enough to be regular centre back for Manchester United to play week in week out, there are too many weaknes and limit in him that opposition attackers can take advantage of it and so far they had done it. Slow, weak, not good in header & can’t hold the ball when under pressure. The list of centre back you just mentioned at least are not fully weak in all of those aspects.

Dependent on the view of ownership over a post, ridiculing a post can also be viewed as an insult to the poster.

"Your child is a stupid c*nt" is often viewed as an insult to the child's parents.

City: Bad decision.
Watford: Lindelof moves forward to create space for a pass to DDG. AWB passing to Lindelof instead of a backwards pass to DDG is the main problem in that situation. His attempted pass to James after receiving the ball with a man in the back is not good.

I do not see what United tries to attempt or achieve on the pitch. If our aim was to create a team able to dominate games through possession and good movement, then I think that Lindelof is good enough for a top 4 finish, but I am certain that we do not attempt or want to play this way. Hence, Lindelof is a mismatch with our tactics.
It is fair to say that he is not good enough for the type of football, one can only assume, we try to play. In a different team or with a different approach to football, the answer could be that he is good enough.

 

[gajender]

Dependent on the view of ownership over a post, ridiculing a post can also be viewed as an insult to the poster.

"Your child is a stupid c*nt" is often viewed as an insult to the child's parents.

City: Bad decision.
Watford: Lindelof moves forward to create space for a pass to DDG. AWB passing to Lindelof instead of a backwards pass to DDG is the main problem in that situation. His attempted pass to James after receiving the ball with a man in the back is not good.

I do not see what United tries to attempt or achieve on the pitch. If our aim was to create a team able to dominate games through possession and good movement, then I think that Lindelof is good enough for a top 4 finish, but I am certain that we do not attempt or want to play this way. Hence, Lindelof is a mismatch with our tactics.
It is fair to say that he is not good enough for the type of football, one can only assume, we try to play. In a different team or with a different approach to football, the answer could be that he is good enough.

While I agree that Lindelof could be better in a possession based team but do you think him and Maguire are good enough one on one defenders to be suited to more expansive approach because most possession based teams who commit greater number in attack need their defenders to be excellent in one on one situations.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

While I agree that Lindelof could be better in a possession based team but do you think him and Maguire are good enough one on one defenders to be suited to more expansive approach because most possession based teams who commit greater number in attack need their defenders to be excellent in one on one situations.

Maguire is suited to a compressed and parked defence. Sitting deep and defending from crosses is what can best mitigate his lack of mobility. Lindelof is not suited to this style at all and would struggle in most aerial and physical duels against the likes of Deeney.
In general, neither are good enough to operate as isolated defenders and their weaknesses(immobile or weak in physical duels) make for an extremely bad pairing unless we dominated possession with 3 central defenders, where the last one was mobile and could cover for them. If I was to build a team to play a relevant and competitive style of football, I would not have used either of them.

 

[Kostov]

You continue to make such broad sweeping statements which are factual wrong. Lindelof playing with basically multi partners last season was arguably our player of the season. How could he achieve that by being bullied by the same attackers as this season? He makes mistakes, all CB especially relatively young ones makes mistakes.

Wow player of the season, the CB who was part of a shambolic defense. Lindelof last season was no young CB, he is what 25/26? He is constantly troubled by physical attackers.

Selective? He was that good he ended up at WBA who weren't that good as they are now. Not selective at all and during a time where we were still trying to find CB's, if he was that good, he'd have still been here. Very, very good is absolutely laughable. He was shocking.

He ended up at WBA and now is at team 11 points clear of us with the second best defense in the league. We were not trying to find a CB at the time, a moron manager preferred Patric McNair and Tyler Blacket over Evans and Michael Keane, if we were a serious footballing club LVG would have been sacked on the spot for the amount of shockingly bad decisions he made. Evans for years was a very very good CB for us. Sir Alex rated him very highly and Evans played constantly for him. Shocking is some of the bullshit you are spouting for a very good servant to this club. If we had an ounce of sense Evans would still be here instead of someone like Rojo and Jones.

 

[A-man]

I do think he's a decent tackler when he does actually go in for the challenge though its just not often.

And more importantly, I want to see less of the moments that stick out in my memory like against Wolves where Traore had a heavy touch and Lindelof is backing off so he couldnt make him pay for the heavy touch, so Traore carried on his dribble. Maguire came in and made a strong tackle to stop him.

That to me is an example of what I dont want to see, other players having to do something because Lindelof backs off. If he doesn't do stuff like that, then its not significant on its own that he doesnt make many tackles. It matters in the larger data set of all the ways a CB might win the ball - if thats low, and it is a bit low with Lindelof, then thats where I'm not too convinced. Its not tackles alone.

No I don’t think he is bad at tackling, just it’s not his way of playing. For me the most important improvement would be that he steps up/moves forward in matches like yesterday. When United dominate it’s important to keep the press and to win back the ball fast. He his normally not good at that, but was yesterday.

 

[A-man]

1. Lindelof is not the most physical player but it’s highly exaggerated that he would be bullied all the time or is super poor in the air.
He has won an average of 2.8 aerial duels per match. There are 22 CBs in PL who have won more and 25 who have won less, so pretty much average PL level. (Of those who played 10 or more PL matches).

He is not bullied every game as some claim. I can’t even say he is bullied more than other players.

2. This thing with trying to prove things with a video clip should be done with some care. I can show AWB doing a stupid tackle giving penalty and 3 points loss. I can show a clip of how Otamendi run over AWBand scored a header.
Does that mean AWB is a poor tackler who gets bullied? No it doesn’t. It means he made a stupid tackle and got run over by Otamendi and cost 2 us goals.

 

[Foxbatt]

You simply cannot isolate a player like this and put everything on him. It is a pairing in central defence. Both Lindelof and Maguire know they have lack of pace. Lindelof knows that Maguire is probably slower than him too. They way we play now with a slow DM it makes it worse. CBs know that if they go for the ball and make a mistake then other player or players can cover them. At United we are too slow to do that.
As Fosu Mens said none of them can be isolated in a one v one situation. With Rio and Vidic they can on most parts handle a one v one situations with most strikers. I personally do not like the Lindelof/Maguire partnership only because of the lack of pace. Lindelof gets way too much blame on things which he has no control off too.

As for Evans, we are trying to change history by saying he was good enough to take over from Vidic. He never was. He was not strong enough either. He is fairly quick which gave him an advantage and yes he did make mistakes too.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Dependent on the view of ownership over a post, ridiculing a post can also be viewed as an insult to the poster.

"Your child is a stupid c*nt" is often viewed as an insult to the child's parents.

You are all over the place at the moment, focus on the original quote itself, don’t try to add another different quote that doesn’t related to it to defend yourself. What you did was you insulted a poster, you are referring to the poster directly. Not difficult to admit.

City: Bad decision.
Watford: Lindelof moves forward to create space for a pass to DDG. AWB passing to Lindelof instead of a backwards pass to DDG is the main problem in that situation. His attempted pass to James after receiving the ball with a man in the back is not good.

I do not see what United tries to attempt or achieve on the pitch. If our aim was to create a team able to dominate games through possession and good movement, then I think that Lindelof is good enough for a top 4 finish, but I am certain that we do not attempt or want to play this way. Hence, Lindelof is a mismatch with our tactics.
It is fair to say that he is not good enough for the type of football, one can only assume, we try to play. In a different team or with a different approach to football, the answer could be that he is good enough.

The Watford game clearly he asked for the ball, it shows that Lindelof lacks awareness and ability to hold the ball in that situation. He had time on the ball and could actually clear the ball, he wasn’t being disposed right away when he received it. After the incident, you can see that Lindelof wasn’t complaining to Bissaka but asked the referee for the foul.

It’s fair enough to say that you are the only person that think the issue is that the club doesn’t play his strength while there is other poster who agreed with me that he just doesn’t suit with EPL especially playing regular with EPL top club. No club is going to build their defense based on centre back who has too many weakness, easily bullied, no pace, not good header and can’t hold the ball. Agree to disagree.

 

[JPB]

Wow player of the season, the CB who was part of a shambolic defense. Lindelof last season was no young CB, he is what 25/26? He is constantly troubled by physical attackers.

He ended up at WBA and now is at team 11 points clear of us with the second best defense in the league. We were not trying to find CB at the time, a moron manager preferred Patric McNair and Tyler Blacket over Evans and Michael Keane, if we were a serious footballing club LVG would have been sacked on the spot for the amount of shockingly bad decisions he made. Evans for years was a very very good CB for us. Sir Alex rated him very highly and Evans plaid constantly for him. Shocking is some of the bullshit you are spouting for a very good servant to this club. If we had an ounce of sense Evans would still be here instead of someone like Rojo and Jones.

Wow... you two arguing over who's the better defender Lindelof or Evans. I couldn't tell you which of the two is worse. It might just be Johnny Evans. But Lindelof is absolutely fecking abysmal also.

 

[Kostov]

Wow... you two arguing over who's the better defender Lindelof or Evans. I couldn't tell you which of the two is worse. It might just be Johnny Evans. But Lindelof is absolutely fecking abysmal also.

You must be loving Phil Jones...

 

[JPB]

You must be loving Phil Jones...

Oh my fecking god. Don't get me started.

 

[criticalanalysis]

I applaud the posters trying to dispel the 'Lindelof is very good and doing very well for Utd' myth and bias.

The problem with Lindelof is not that he isn't capable of playing good (meaning he does have good qualities), it's the fact he doesn't play good or consistent enough to warrant anything near of this 'praise' people are trying to allude to him.

It reminds me of Gary Neville's comment about Rooney's pathetic midfield display against City, 'Silent Domination'. Just mind blowing levels of delusion and narrative on such a clearly underpar performance.

Anyone arguing that he isn't poor aerially and is some sort of elite ball passer is just not watching enough or a pure fanboy. It's clear as a day just as DDG isn't good with balls in the air or Pogba isn't defensively minded or Martial isn't the best with off the ball runs or OGS has shown in-game management etc etc.

We can all be fanboys but don't try to elevate him to something he is not.

He's a placeholder at best and even then he's replaceable with any of other CB at the club. Yes I mean that includes Jones and Rojo. Lindelof is there simply because he's fit and I'd imagine that is to do with the passive, low intensity and low defensive engagement style of play.

 

[Raven]

I applaud the posters trying to dispel the 'Lindelof is very good and doing very well for Utd' myth and bias.

The problem with Lindelof is not that he isn't capable of playing good (meaning he does have good qualities), it's the fact he doesn't play good or consistent enough to warrant anything near of this 'praise' people are trying to allude to him.

It reminds me of Gary Neville's comment about Rooney's pathetic midfield display against City, 'Silent Domination'. Just mind blowing levels of delusion and narrative on such a clearly underpar performance.

Anyone arguing that he isn't poor aerially and is some sort of elite ball passer is just not watching enough or a pure fanboy. It's clear as a day just as DDG isn't good with balls in the air or Pogba isn't defensively minded or Martial isn't the best with off the ball runs or OGS has shown in-game management etc etc.

We can all be fanboys but don't try to elevate him to something he is not.

He's a placeholder at best and even then he's replaceable with any of other CB at the club. Yes I mean that includes Jones and Rojo. Lindelof is there simply because he's fit and I'd imagine that is to do with the passive, low intensity and low defensive engagement style of play.

Your user name is criticalanalysis, then you come out with tired and lazy stereotypes.

Wow... you two arguing over who's the better defender Lindelof or Evans. I couldn't tell you which of the two is worse. It might just be Johnny Evans. But Lindelof is absolutely fecking abysmal also.

Settle down.

 

[rollingstoned1]

Wow player of the season, the CB who was part of a shambolic defense. Lindelof last season was no young CB, he is what 25/26? He is constantly troubled by physical attackers.

He ended up at WBA and now is at team 11 points clear of us with the second best defense in the league. We were not trying to find a CB at the time, a moron manager preferred Patric McNair and Tyler Blacket over Evans and Michael Keane, if we were a serious footballing club LVG would have been sacked on the spot for the amount of shockingly bad decisions he made. Evans for years was a very very good CB for us. Sir Alex rated him very highly and Evans played constantly for him. Shocking is some of the bullshit you are spouting for a very good servant to this club. If we had an ounce of sense Evans would still be here instead of someone like Rojo and Jones.

he used to have it in for evans even back then i think. Might be wrong though.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

You are all over the place at the moment, focus on the original quote itself, don’t try to add another different quote that doesn’t related to it to defend yourself. What you did was you insulted a poster, you are referring to the poster directly. Not difficult to admit.



The Watford game clearly he asked for the ball, it shows that Lindelof lacks awareness and ability to hold the ball in that situation. He had time on the ball and could actually clear the ball, he wasn’t being disposed right away when he received it. After the incident, you can see that Lindelof wasn’t complaining to Bissaka but asked the referee for the foul.

It’s fair enough to say that you are the only person that think the issue is that the club doesn’t play his strength while there is other poster who agreed with me that he just doesn’t suit with EPL especially playing regular with EPL top club. No club is going to build their defense based on centre back who has too many weakness, easily bullied, no pace, not good header and can’t hold the ball. Agree to disagree.

It was meant as a humoristic way of showing that insulting a post may or may not be any better than insulting a poster, given that you are really insulting a posters opinion. It was only presented as a quote but really served the function as an example.

Even though this is semantics regarding Lindelof; If you want to attract press or the attention of a presser, you ask for the ball. It does not automatically mean that you want the ball, or should be passed the ball. This is the responsibility of the passer. And him moving into that lane and asking for the ball was done to make it possible for DDG to receive the ball.

I'm not the only one on here that thinks that Lindelof is not played in a system that fits him. I could also state that there are posters on here that agree with me as a method to strengthen my argument.
I already stated that I would never build a defence around Maguire or Lindelof. And that I prefered centre-backs in the mould of VVD: Can contain fast and strong players in isolation --> Ake, Gomez etc. Players with no real weaknesses in their game. So I am not sure what you are "agreeing to disagree" with here.