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Very passive passing wise.

Anyone can give to Pogba and then stand back.

Not really seeing this 'ball playing CB'. Played the easy pass 9 times out of 10.

He drove the ball out from defense to the opposition box in stoppage time that resulted in Luke Shaw's shot at goal.

Neither him nor Maguire or even AWB were that adventurous because Wolves are a counter attacking team with pace so the tactical instruction was probably to keep it simple and retain defensive shape if they win the ball.

Its pointless to use this game to judge the contribution of any of the defenders to attack.
 
I have never seen Lindelof shy from receiving the ball or moving the ball forward. He also steps out of his position to make tackles and man marks his players very well. I believe we have not seen the best of him but one thing I do see with him is he looks assured with each passing game. He needs a constant partner and in Maguire he has that.

I'm not talking about on the ball.

I'm talking about winning the ball and defending situations. He generally makes less defensive contributions than most other CBs. He has improved in that area and started to make more tackles last season than previously but thats just 1 of the areas a CB can win the ball in.
 
The best way to judge him and the rest of the defense is that they did not look threatened until Traore came on and Wolves had some joy against Shaw.
 
Think he did good. It's better to be unnoticeable than to make many mistakes, he kept it simple and stable.
 
He didnt do much, thats generally his problem. He's quite passive. He won 3 tackles and made 2 clearances with 2 headers, and 0 blocked shots. 7 actions combined.

Maguire was 14 actions combined, Coady was 9 actions combined, Bennet was 8 actions combined and Boly was 9 actions combined. And the Wolves CBs had the defensive responsibility shared between 3 people. This tends to be how Lindelof is, the CB on the pitch that does that contributes the least defensive actions. Maguire does more on the ball too so he feels quite pointless.

It's just different game styles. Maguire plays more aggressively. Lindelof plays more safe and calm. Both ways have benefits. Yesterday I think Lindelofs way came out better in that sense, the match before the opposite. we saw how Maguire missed a tackle in a bad situation when he should have stayed calm, he took on headers when he easy could have controlled the ball instead, he went for the same ball as Pogba etc. There are good things with aggressive styles and bad things just as with a more calm style. The outcome can be read in the stats over tackles.
 
I'm not talking about on the ball.

I'm talking about winning the ball and defending situations.
You said he should take more responsibility which is why I said I don't see him shying away from taking one. He was pretty solid yesterday and did his job effectively. I did not see him making many defensive mistakes. Ofcourse there will one or two things but that can be said for any defender. With him and Maguire we look far more assured than anything we were with Smalling, Jones, Bailly or Rojo. SO don't understand the criticism.
 
You said he should take more responsibility which is why I said I don't see him shying away from taking one. He was pretty solid yesterday and did his job effectively. I did not see him making many defensive mistakes. Ofcourse there will one or two things but that can be said for any defender. With him and Maguire we look far more assured than anything we were with Smalling, Jones, Bailly or Rojo. SO don't understand the criticism.

I'm not talking about mistakes but we can. Although he did make 1 with the panic clearance, but then sorted it out with the header back to keeper.

The more stuff you attempt, the more likely you will make a mistake. If a player makes 15 passes its more likely he'll have 100% accuracy than someone who plays 30 passes.

Maguire also made a mistake with giving the freekick away where they hit the post. Not the biggest mistake either but still it was 1. But he also tried to win the ball a lot more so its more impressive when he makes 1 mistake than someone who didnt challenge a lot.
 
How many times did he make 8 or less defensive contributions and aerials?

He averaged 12.1 per game last season. Not 8. Closer to double

12 is as close to 8 as it's to double.

Not sure why it's important, CBs are more than just tackles/interceptions and defensive actions.

Vs Wolves last season he had only 5 defensive actions.
 
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I'm not talking about mistakes but we can. Although he did make 1 with the panic clearance, but then sorted it out with the header back to keeper.

The more stuff you attempt, the more likely you will make a mistake. If a player makes 15 passes its more likely he'll have 100% accuracy than someone who plays 30 passes.

Maguire also made a mistake with giving the freekick away where they hit the post. Not the biggest mistake either but still it was 1. But he also tried to win the ball a lot more so its more impressive when he makes 1 mistake than someone who didnt challenge a lot.

But that's his style and that does not mean he is afraid to take responsibilities or is inviting pressure. He reads the game so well, to the fact even better than Maguire. I saw him on numerous occasion in both the games and even last season where he asks other players to go up the field so that he can make those great long passes. His game is more than just making rash tackles or trying to defend for the sake of it. It is not bad if he prefers to play risk free football while defending but compensates that by taking risk while trying to move the ball forward. That's his style.
 
12 is as close to 8 as it's to double.

Not sure why it's important, CBs are more than just tackles/interceptions and defensive actions.

Vs Wolves last season he has only 5 defensive actions.

Absolutely this. All action defender are more often clumsy aka Bailly , Rojo and Jones. I prefer to see a defender who has things under control than those.
 
But that's his style and that does not mean he is afraid to take responsibilities or is inviting pressure. He reads the game so well, to the fact even better than Maguire. I saw him on numerous occasion in both the games and even last season where he asks other players to go up the field so that he can make those great long passes. His game is more than just making rash tackles or trying to defend for the sake of it. It is not bad if he prefers to play risk free football while defending but compensates that by taking risk while trying to move the ball forward. That's his style.

He didnt do that well on the ball either. But I prefer to separate the two things. His style is to let other players take responsibility which is too passive
 
He didnt do that well on the ball either. But I prefer to separate the two things. His style is to let other players take responsibility which is too passive

If that was the case he wouldn't be making that run in the 90th minute which could have lead to a goal scoring chance. He is not an aggressive defender and he doesn't need to be one.
 
He didnt do that well on the ball either. But I prefer to separate the two things. His style is to let other players take responsibility which is too passive
I completely disagree with every single one of your posts about Lindelof. His style of play is not to let others take responsibility at all. He reads the game extremely well, so is generally in the right place at the right time without any need for panic. Smalling and Jones "take responsibility" because they have not read the game and they are not capable of anticipating.
Paulo Maldini (generally regarded as one of the best centre backs of all time) said "If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake."
 
I completely disagree with every single one of your posts about Lindelof. His style of play is not to let others take responsibility at all. He reads the game extremely well, so is generally in the right place at the right time without any need for panic. Smalling and Jones "take responsibility" because they have not read the game and they are not capable of anticipating.
Paulo Maldini (generally regarded as one of the best centre backs of all time) said "If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake."

"He reads the game extremely well" is said about every player who doesnt win the ball much
 
How many times did he make 8 or less defensive contributions and aerials?

He averaged 12.1 per game last season. Not 8. Closer to double
To be honest this is rather ridiculous. You can't read the stats and say he had 8 defensive contributions in that match. Every time he marked his man so there was no need for a tackle, interception or header was a contribution. Every time they succeeded with their offside line was a contribution. And so on.
 
12 is as close to 8 as it's to double.

Not sure why it's important, CBs are more than just tackles/interceptions and defensive actions.

Vs Wolves last season he had only 5 defensive actions.
That makes Lindelof 60% better defender. (8/5=1.6)
 
To be honest this is rather ridiculous. You can't read the stats and say he had 8 defensive contributions in that match. Every time he marked his man so there was no need for a tackle, interception or header was a contribution. Every time they succeeded with their offside line was a contribution. And so on.

And all other CBs do that whilst making more defensive contributions. Its not like Lindelof marks players more often
 
Exactly. Out of 61 CBs (who played as CBs more than 10 games) Van Dijk was in

55th position for tackles won per 90 mins
51st in Interceptions
27th in clearances
47th in shots blocked
6th in aerial duels won

Must be a shit CB.
Compare him to his partner.
 
If you are going to list a CB's stats, then I think it is better to compare it to that of his teammates. Defenders at bottom clubs are more likely to make more defensive actions I reckon.

CB also have different roles, one will attack and other will sweep. So it's not like they play same role. That's why partnership and how they compliment is more important.

Anyways in any case Matip wins more tackles, interceptions than VVD. Haven't checked other stats, hard to on mobile.
 
I completely disagree with every single one of your posts about Lindelof. His style of play is not to let others take responsibility at all. He reads the game extremely well, so is generally in the right place at the right time without any need for panic. Smalling and Jones "take responsibility" because they have not read the game and they are not capable of anticipating.
Paulo Maldini (generally regarded as one of the best centre backs of all time) said "If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake."
Maldini was a left back that played CB in his late 30's..
 
"He reads the game extremely well" is said about every player who doesnt win the ball much

Carrick also didn't 'win' the ball much. I recall some absurd comparisons to Keane at the time.

Lindelof does read the game very well and brings a calmness to our defence which was sadly missing in all the blood and thunder style of defending.
 
And all other CBs do that whilst making more defensive contributions. Its not like Lindelof marks players more often
The point is, defenders play with different styles, some aim for tackles, interception, clearances etc. Other solve the situation by marking their man so he doesn't even get it, if he gets it he follows him instead of tackle. There are different styles, but following an attacker well can not be seen in those stats. There are many many more ways to contribute to the defence than the handful you mentioned.
 
Carrick also didn't 'win' the ball much. I recall some absurd comparisons to Keane at the time.

Lindelof does read the game very well and brings a calmness to our defence which was sadly missing in all the blood and thunder style of defending.

Actually he did in plenty of his best seasons

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He averaged 3 tackles and 2.4 interceptions for us in 11/12

Matic was 1.1 tackles and 1.8 interceptions last season in comparison, thats a low amount for a DM. Carrick had 5 league seasons with more than that
 
If you are going to list a CB's stats, then I think it is better to compare it to that of his teammates. Defenders at bottom clubs are more likely to make more defensive actions I reckon.
On the other hand they get different roles. Vvd is one of the best in the world in the air. I expect the tactics are for him to go for more aerials than his CB colleguages, both in defence and offensive play.
 
CB also have different roles, one will attack and other will sweep. So it's not like they play same role. That's why partnership and how they compliment is more important.

Anyways in any case Matip wins more tackles, interceptions than VVD. Haven't checked other stats, hard to on mobile.
Matip won more tackles and interceptions, but VVD bettered him in terms of blocks, aerials and clearances. Among Liverpool's CBs in the last EPL season, Van Dijk was last for tackles, second for Interceptions and blocks, and top for aerials and clearances. Among our five senior CBs last EPL season - with the exception of Rojo who played just over 200 minutes, Lindelof was marginally top for tackles, third best for aerials, and dead last for interceptions, blocks and clearances. This season so far, he's unsuprisingly bettered Maguire in terms of tackles, but has made less interceptions, headers, clearances, blocks and passes too. It's been two games though.
 
So can anyone tell me a top bracket CB from the past 10 years who, during the seasons they were a top CB, make as few defensive actions as Lindelof?

And on top of that aren't either quick, or strong?
 
So can anyone tell me a top bracket CB from the past 10 years who, during the seasons they were a top CB, make as few defensive actions as Lindelof?

And on top of that aren't either quick, or strong?
My God man give it up. He's going to be our starter alongside Maguire for the foreseeable future. You might as well focus on the other issues in our squad.
 
My God man give it up. He's going to be our starter alongside Maguire for the foreseeable future. You might as well focus on the other issues in our squad.

Why are you crying about that question? Just go do some research and respond. If there is another CB out there I'd like to know. I dont think there is but I could be wrong

Personally I think unless Tuanzabe establishes himself as first choice and does amazingly, we'll buy a new CB to partner Maguire
 
So can anyone tell me a top bracket CB from the past 10 years who, during the seasons they were a top CB, make as few defensive actions as Lindelof?

And on top of that aren't either quick, or strong?

"I think Richarlison is a very good player and a difficult player to play against but Victor is very fast," Mourinho told MUTV.

"He has adapted to play centrally but also to go to the sides because he's got the agility that many of the central defenders don't have. I think it was another very positive performance by Victor."

https://www.google.no/amp/s/www.sky...lof-for-adapting-to-manchester-united-defence

Probably dont suit your agenda, so lets just ignore it then. :)

And why do they have to make «as few»? Why not just few? Rio Ferdinand did not make many defensive actions but was one of the best ever. Titus Bramble was horrible defender, but had a lot of defensive actions. Bet the same is the case for Sakho (who is also poor).

Point? You (again) make the McNamara-fallacy and end up misundestanding football. You cant understand that he is good because you think the stats are a blueprint. And consequently you refuse to accept it.
 
"I think Richarlison is a very good player and a difficult player to play against but Victor is very fast," Mourinho told MUTV.

"He has adapted to play centrally but also to go to the sides because he's got the agility that many of the central defenders don't have. I think it was another very positive performance by Victor."

https://www.google.no/amp/s/www.sky...lof-for-adapting-to-manchester-united-defence

Probably dont suit your agenda, so lets just ignore it then. :)

And why do they have to make «as few»? Why not just few? Rio Ferdinand did not make many defensive actions but was one of the best ever. Titus Bramble was horrible defender, but had a lot of defensive actions. Bet the same is the case for Sakho (who is also poor).

Point? You (again) make the McNamara-fallacy and end up misundestanding football. You cant understand that he is good because you think the stats are a blueprint. And consequently you refuse to accept it.

One of many things I disagreed with Mourinho about. I'm sorry that you think everything he says must be correct.

I asked for the last 10 years because we can actually look the stats up. Some people who "didnt win the ball much" like Carrick, actually did win the ball a decent amount. When theres no data to look at you can name anyone.

Rio actually made a decent amount of clearances. Just starting to look at the numbers, first ones I have are from 09/10 and he made 10.1 of those actions per game (tackles, interceptions, clearances, shot blocks and aerials) - again Lindelof was at 8 last game so Rio wouldnt be someone who makes as few.

Rio is also one of those players who did have standout physical properties. He was quick and had decent strength
 
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If we put him up for sale tmw, we would make a significant profit on him and he'd sign for a better team than Utd that's playing CL. Sometimes I wonder why people have some kind of negative agenda about some players and with some patience and a bit of support, he could be a really good player for us.
 
People citing statistics and claiming someone was good or bed based on that does my head in. It's as if they decide someone is a bad player and however he plays they'll find some statistics to prove that.
Watch the damn football!
 
People citing statistics and claiming someone was good or bed based on that does my head in. It's as if they decide someone is a bad player and however he plays they'll find some statistics to prove that.
Watch the damn football!

They just want to increase the number of their defensive actions
 
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