Sounds like Lindelof had really good game against Vardy and handled him perfectly. Glad someone as biased as you would confirm that. Means a lot to us who are fans of the whole club!
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Sounds like Lindelof had really good game against Vardy and handled him perfectly. Glad someone as biased as you would confirm that. Means a lot to us who are fans of the whole club!
You have totally missed the point
No he didn't. The only time he was too close to Vardy was when he went challenge/tackle Vardy not when he equalled Vardy in a foot race.
I never biased. I gave credit where it was due & I'm being honest to his weakness & mistakes because that's his weakness & mistakes, nothing to hide. He's always good in positioning but doesn't mean I need to lie when he makes mistakes and about his weaknesses. And he had good game against Leicester, my motm.
Please forgive me if I'm wrong. But did you not use the Lindelof link to Barca as a way to down play Maguire?
If I missed the point then I'm sorry mate and I will move on..
No. I responded to someone who said any club in Europe would sign Maguire over Lindelof.
@simmee
Another post of mine not just from today that I gave credit to what he is good at. I don't do bias.
Another post of mine not just from today that I gave credit to what he is good at. I don't do bias.
What in the world? Barca wanted Lindelof, not Varane. But even stupid person wouldn't say that Lindelof is better than Varane.
Barca wanted Pique instead of Rio or Vidic when they were all at United. Does it mean that Pique at that time was better than the later two?
I can't discuss it with you when you're willing to alter reality to make a point. Enjoy.
Rather than calling it as "alter reality''. You just need to show clips of Lindelof vs Vardy then if your point is the actual reality, otherwise you should speak no more by learning how to agree and disagree.
My apologies mate. I didn't follow the whole discussion.
When did I say one was better than the other? Only a stupid person would have an anurism over something that wasnt said
No worries. Seems to be happening a lot in this thread haha
Or you could, seeing as you're claiming he's slow? Maybe you actually offer up an example other than using one instance involving Carrick from a decade ago?
It's not a case of agreeing or disagreeing. Altering a scenario to suit your agenda doesn't fall into that.
I gave explanation not only use Carrick’s case to answer your question how a slow Lindelof equalled Vardy in a foot race.
You denied it, called it ‘’alter reality’’ and gave nothing to prove it wrong. Lazy argument.
No, you made up a scenario then demanded some evidence from me to disprove your point that Lindelof was slow. Crap argument that verges outright lies to push your agenda, hence why multiple other posters had called you out for it. Have a nice evening fella.
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To be fair he did offer evidence to prove it wrong. And I agree with him.
I disagree with you because I have with my own eyes seen the evidence of Lindelöf keeping pace with “quick” players that the other poster is suggesting.
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For what’s its worth you are correct in this debate.
Cheers my man. It does happen occasionally.
The Jack of no traits was something that I heard thrown about him and it kind of fits. No real strengths and no real weaknesses if you take heading and physicality out.. But he has taken strides every season to become better and he is available most of the time so.. But there is need to strengthen our CB pool.
I never said Lindelof couldn't keep pace. Slow players can keep pace with quick players, I even give Carrick vs Aguero & Blind vs Lukaku as good example.
No? Let's go through these then.
I gave good example about players with no pace can go stride for stride
And you use lazy argument to respond it.
You asked the question again.
Same question, my answer is still the same but I add more detail.
And this is your response that no amount of positioning will entirely remove the advantage of pace.
And my response is that yes it can!
And you replied by saying that he was close to Vardy and calling me in denial.
I have a similar reply to say he didn't and still respect your argument.
Of course, you didn't stop and instead replied with lazy argument because you can't accept agree & disagree.
Have a nice evening fella.
He has pace, not teleport device.
@UNITED ACADEMY it's not often someone creates a post highlighting how crap their argument has been throughout, so I suppose I'll commend you for it. I'll allow the myriad of other posters who find your stance ridiculous to carry the flag.
Another lazy argument here. You should learn how to agree and disagree mate.
Much in the same way I won't agree to disagree the earth is flat.
When agree and disagree, you respect the differential not insult it by calling it crap & denial.
This fixativen that a player need to have high statistic numbers. There are many good CBs with low numbers and many not so good CBs with high numbers.
Lindelof has the same statistical numbers as de Ligt for example. Same amount of won aerials, clearances, etc.
He has similar numbers to Koulibaly. Lindelof is better in the air, doesn’t commit as many fouls and has more clearances but less tackles and interceptions. Overall pretty similar stats.
Lindelof has higher numbers than Laporte. Lindelof is much better in the air, and have many more clearances, but Laporte has more interceptions.
Lindelof’s numbers are more or less the same as Varane’s.
I can go all day. Some good players have high numbers and some good players don’t.
Lindelof has the same statistical numbers as de Ligt for example. Same amount of won aerials, clearances, etc.
He has similar numbers to Koulibaly. Lindelof is better in the air, doesn’t commit as many fouls and has more clearances but less tackles and interceptions. Overall pretty similar stats.
Lindelof has higher numbers than Laporte. Lindelof is much better in the air, and have many more clearances, but Laporte has more interceptions.
Lindelof’s numbers are more or less the same as Varane’s.
I can go all day. Some good players have high numbers and some good players don’t.
Not when it's a crap denial, hence the comparison.
He is far quicker than Blind and that was the comparison
Exactly, dont trust statistics, majority of them are circumstantial and often meaningless
I used Jones as the average of centre back's pace. Slower than him then I consider the player as below average pace, slow.
Well the argument earlier whether it was you or someone else was comparing Lindelof to Blind and saying they were very similar players and one of the things mentioned was that he was very slow like Blind.
Whether or not he is slower than JOnes is irrelevant, he doesnt have similar pace to Blind and that was the comparison.
Not really if you view the context like that. I basically meant it as both have the same weakness, physically weak and no pace. I meant it as both are slow.
Now we're talking! If by some miracle he was to move, watch this place go wild with comments of how below average he is....from his supporters on here. Maguire has had his faults this season, but he has steadied the backline to the extent that even Lindelof is able to retain his first-team status. Put him alongside Bailly instead of Maguire and watch the fun.
I understand the point of not jumping into every tackle, but I am not advocating he disappears and lets an opposition player take potshots at our goalie.
The way he backs off like that happens a lot. It doesn't always lead to goals, but it often leaves an impression that he's not pulling his weight defensively especially with being proactive, tackling, and generally getting stuck in.
He just simply doesn't like to engage, and as a CB it's a very weird trait, especially for a club like ours which needs proactive CB's. Sometimes I just trust my eyes with these things, and I'm calling it as I see it on the pitch. Nothing personal or agenda based.
This does not make sense IMO. Maguire is too expensive (and too high profile) to be signed for the bench. Whatever club signed him, was going to play him.
In any case, Barca wanting a player does not say anything about that player's quality. And Maguire would be suitable for Barca too, his passing is very good, plus brings enough aggressiveness and good quality defending. I don't see why Lindelof would be able to do a job but Maguire wouldn't.
Magure is better than Lindelof (took me a while to understand this, and it is important to see past the price to get to this). Lindelof has more pace and doesn't get dribbled (while Maguire is very prone to be dribbled and also useless in 1 on 1), but in all other aspects (tackles, interceptions, clearances, blocks, aerial duels, passes) Magure is quite better.
I’m starting to get confused as to what the whole debate is about. Obviously it’s great that we offer a whole spectrum or ‘rainbow’ of opinions on Lindelöf and Maguire - in fact the entire defensive part of our team.
First let’s establish why we are scrutinising the players we have available to fill the 7 positions that are responsible for doing the most defending and feeding our front 4, assuming you include the central midfield berth which Pogba occupies in those 7 positions.
Lets break that down further. To varying degrees that ‘back 7’ - a term I’m using simply for this analysis- have various different qualities and scope to defend and attack; obviously we know that everyone has to defend and attack. The problem is that from the goalkeeper to Pogba the chemistry is not right whether that be in terms of defending and preventing teams from getting close to our goal/ creating opportunities or building play quickly and efficiently, keeping possession especially in tight situations and getting the ball to our dangerous front 4 where they actually want the ball.
we are relying to heavily on the individual ability of those players.
one thing we all seem to agree on is that Maguire and Lindelof are not an ideal pairing. Another common opinion is that de gea is not commanding or confident enough on the ball and that Matic and Pogba are a bit pedestrian
that leaves the fullbacks - wan bissaka probably compensates for some of the lack of pace/aggresssion and shaw is good coming forward but there doesn’t seem to be much synergy ball playing wise among that ‘back 7’
it clearly needs addressing on the evidence of many matches this season
First let’s establish why we are scrutinising the players we have available to fill the 7 positions that are responsible for doing the most defending and feeding our front 4, assuming you include the central midfield berth which Pogba occupies in those 7 positions.
Lets break that down further. To varying degrees that ‘back 7’ - a term I’m using simply for this analysis- have various different qualities and scope to defend and attack; obviously we know that everyone has to defend and attack. The problem is that from the goalkeeper to Pogba the chemistry is not right whether that be in terms of defending and preventing teams from getting close to our goal/ creating opportunities or building play quickly and efficiently, keeping possession especially in tight situations and getting the ball to our dangerous front 4 where they actually want the ball.
we are relying to heavily on the individual ability of those players.
one thing we all seem to agree on is that Maguire and Lindelof are not an ideal pairing. Another common opinion is that de gea is not commanding or confident enough on the ball and that Matic and Pogba are a bit pedestrian
that leaves the fullbacks - wan bissaka probably compensates for some of the lack of pace/aggresssion and shaw is good coming forward but there doesn’t seem to be much synergy ball playing wise among that ‘back 7’
it clearly needs addressing on the evidence of many matches this season
I don’t know how anyone can deny the fact that Uniteds defense looks, feels and is much better with Lindelof than Smalling/Jones/Bailly. Yes he looks shite in almost every aspect. Weak, slow, can’t head the ball, rarely passes the ball more than 2 metres. But I’d choose him over Smalling every day. He reminds me of a certain frenchman who signed for United at the end of his career. Also looked shite but the defense as a whole was good.
This is not true though. Weak, I would agree (it is actually more than he is hesitant rather than really being bullied), but he is neither slow, nor bad aerially. And his passing is more than decent.
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