Games gone. Way too soft modern football. And Savage suddenly on his high horse, he'd be getting sent off every game by these rules.
VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion
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It isn't a red. Hutchison is all over the place and trying to shin it, Dorgu makes reasonable contact AFTER playing the ball with a part of the leg that is protected. It is a pathetic decision.
These idiots in the var booth always just show one or two angles to get the decision they want. It's a joke. Until our manager makes a big deal about it we are just going to get cheated every match.
I totally agree, biased but he also tries to pull back as soon as there was contact
Never a red for me. Hutchinson loses it with poor control, sticks a leg out - misses it completely and then gets kicked by a follow through. The clue is in the direction of the ball - it goes in the opposite direction of Hutcinson's foot.
But this is United. We'll say nothing, we get nothing.
But this is United. We'll say nothing, we get nothing.
utter joke, takes the ball cleanly, conditions led to slipping and catching the Ipswich player
It's not red, the only reason Dorgu makes that contact is because Hutchinson slips and extends his leg awkwardly.
All the normal replays made it look like a nothing foul.
All the normal replays made it look like a nothing foul.
That's a clear red card, he's gone over the top of the ball, it's not deliberate but that is a very poor and needless challenge
Sorry not a red card by any stretch. Another crap VAR decision.
Anyone who thinks that isn't a red is either biased beyond all sense or just straight up doesn't know what constitutes a red card in current day football. It's as inarguable a red as you're likely to get in any given PL week.
I think Dorgu's unfortunate the way that it comes about but his challenge does endanger the player (significant force exerted on the middle of the opponent's planted leg) so it is a red card.
Yeah, I agree. I don't particularly want to see players sent off for well intentioned but slightly dangerous challenges... but as soon as the replay showed studs hitting shin, he was clearly getting sent off.
I don't agree.
I didn’t think it was a terrible tackle as such, the conditions play a part as does Hutchinson in that he’s slipping and stretching himself.
I can understand the red card.
I don’t understand what they spent 4 minutes looking at.
I can understand the red card.
I don’t understand what they spent 4 minutes looking at.
The reason I don't believe it's red is because I don't believe Hutchinson has control of the ball. It's essentially a 50/50, and Dorgu actually takes the ball, then connects with the other player's attempt.
I think Dorgu (rightly) has no inclination that there's going to be a leg where it is after he takes the ball because it's non-sensical to be there.
Context has to matter. It's why I hate VAR and don't believe it should be used in these situations. This match will see at least a few dozen more tackles, and only one will be judged this way.
He clearly goes into the challenge with his foot barely off the ground. Yes he catches him a bit higher up, but there's no intent and I really don't think you can argue excessive force.
Not the worst red card I've ever seen of course, but certainly unlucky.
Not the worst red card I've ever seen of course, but certainly unlucky.
I can’t believe people are trying to argue that’s not a red card.
There’s bias and then there’s whatever the hell you call that.
There’s bias and then there’s whatever the hell you call that.
Pretty clear red card, potential leg breaker over the top of the ball. Slips or accidental doesn't matter, it's a red and review should be very quick, not 4 mins...
If it is not raining, Hutchinson's foot doesn't slide like that, gets stuck in the ground and he easily breaks his leg. Unfortunate, a bit late but the most obvious red of the season, how can anyone even argue against it....
That's as clear a red card as you're ever likely to see. Over the top, reckless and dangerous. Horrible challenge!
Over the top of the ball, middle of the shin.
Wet conditions or not, that's a straight red in today's game.
Wet conditions or not, that's a straight red in today's game.
Exactly this. People trying to give it context about slipping or the other player slipping are ignoring the point, it’s a clear red by the rules.
Well, he is lucky that his leg didn't snap in half. His leg was low, it was an awkward position. If you look at Dorgu, his hill was on the ground almost when he made the tackle. It's wasn't a high tackle per se. If Hutchinson is standing up, there is no way Dorgu gets him like that. In the end, it's the right decision. Bit unlucky Dorgu, there was no intent to harm him, but it was a dangerous start.
Never a red card, he played the ball and the Ipswich player was off balance. Of course, people focus on that incident, but not the abysmal refereeing throughout the match. I was at the match and the crowd were incensed by the number of fouls committed by Ipswich players that went unpunished, and the absence of yellow cards for fouls actually given. Darren England and Craig Pawson on VAR are both ABU's.
When Hutchinson didn't get booked for his tackle on Dorgu before the red, crazy decision.
Come one now. It’s a clear red.
It's also clear that half the posters in here have no idea what the rules are!
Correct.
Don't recall a single Ipswich player remonstrating for a VAR check which says a lot about what everyone saw in that moment, that it wasn't a clear and obvious error. Hutchinson had lost the ball. It was also telling that they tried to get VAR to send Hojlund off shortly after.
I think Dorgu was a bit unlucky.
Clearly got the ball first and probably wasn’t expecting the leg to be out in that position.
Didn't look malicious but was certainly very dangerous as he wasn’t in full control.
No complaints from me, just one of those unfortunate ones.
Clearly got the ball first and probably wasn’t expecting the leg to be out in that position.
Didn't look malicious but was certainly very dangerous as he wasn’t in full control.
No complaints from me, just one of those unfortunate ones.
Fair red but Ipswich may have been the biggest set of cheats to visit Old Trafford this season. O’Shea should’ve been booked twice. One for the tangle with Hojlund and one for the pathetic dive before it. Delap is another ballbag.
Disagree with this. We’ve seen a whole load worse this year from several teams.
Delap is a bit spiky but it’s not anywhere close to Diego Costa levels. I’d take a punt on him.
At the risk of sounding like Monty Python's "What did the Romans do for us?" sketch, does any poster have stats on red cards issued at United games in recent seasons? It seems like United receive far more red cards than opponents do.
I'm an understand the red card decision. But I think it's wrong. At least half the 'excessive force' comes from Hutchinson taking a compleatly blind wild swing at the ball and lets be honest compleatly missing it.
Dorgu is a little unlucky I feel, but that's modern football any sort of contact like that is always going to raise eyebrows, even if the victim so to speak has also acted recklessly.
Dorgu is a little unlucky I feel, but that's modern football any sort of contact like that is always going to raise eyebrows, even if the victim so to speak has also acted recklessly.
Some absolute nut bags in here arguing against that red 
Oh come on, United won, who cares. It's obviously a red. Not malicious, but a dangerous/reckless challenge nonetheless.
This. Why is it so hard to understand?
Yeah, obvious red if a bit unlucky. We won, move on.
I'm shocked this is being bumped over the Dorgu sending off
It's a red all day. I don't think it helped that he was the victim of a really wild/high challenge from Hutchinson a few minutes before, on almost the exact same spot on the pitch, which went unpunished. But he can't be looking to take revenge.