There was a Chelsea fan on here saying Young’s was penalty ! That one is ridiculous but not given
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There were Chelsea fans in this thread moaning about the United non penalty
I cant believe that there are people, former professional players, still claiming that that was supposed to be a penalty. Unbelievable.
Dermot says it should have been a pen. We know he is always right so that ends the discussion. Thanks. 
So the ref gave a pen for Maguire's challenge NOT De Ligt's
That's a massive detail and does absolutely change everything.
Cross caught out big time. Like a lot of journos when a United player does something it's a national scandal. Non United player * crickets *
Ref watch saying that on field the referee gave a penalty against Maguire when Young took a dive. You then have Dermot, Warnock and Smith asking why VAR even intervened, as it wasn't a clear and obvious error. How can it not be an error if the player being potentially penalized for a foul hasn't committed one.
Seen the ref watch. Smith saying “he has to go down” or he won’t get the decision just undermined their entire argument.
If they’re saying Young has to throw himself to the ground to get a call, surely that indicates he has simulated and by definition of “enough contact”, there’s simply wasn’t.
That being said, it was pathetic and cumbersome from Maguire and De Ligt.
If they’re saying Young has to throw himself to the ground to get a call, surely that indicates he has simulated and by definition of “enough contact”, there’s simply wasn’t.
That being said, it was pathetic and cumbersome from Maguire and De Ligt.
He actually went against the ref?!Dermot says it should have been a pen. We know he is always right so that ends the discussion. Thanks.
Hell has indeed frozen over. Not shocked it's about a decision involving us mind.
Warnock saying Ashley Young was moving at pace and he had to exaggerate the contact to get the refereees attention. He's got to go down. Scouse cnuts doing their best to say it was a penalty.
Thick as shite! Do they not even realise what they’re saying? If he’s got to dive to get the refs attention then it was never enough contact to be a penalty in the first place and it’s a clear and obvious error for VAR to get involved with because his dive has conned the referee into giving a penalty that shouldn’t have been. A mistake was made and rightfully rectified, it’s literally the perfect use of VAR.
It’s United…He said that when Garnacho was picked up by a spurs player last season, it wasn’t a penalty.Dermot says it should have been a pen. We know he is always right so that ends the discussion. Thanks.
Gallagher also defended everyone for the West Ham penalty that got ten hag sacked, yet this time he’s willing to go against the ref. At this point I think he just dislikes United.
I'm taking the piss.
Had that exact conversation with someone in work… lack of transparency and we don’t know WHY they called him over.
Now I know it was because he thought Maguire had fouled him, don’t see how anyone apart from WUMs can not agree why VAR involved/pen overturned. Once ref sees what Young did (planted his left foot sideways to put it next to Maguire, then spun/fell to make it seem like Maguires contact had brought him down), he should never stick with penalty decision.
Ironic that if Young had stayed on his feet, he might have had a great chance.
By fluke, VAR/ref for closer to how TMO/rugby works.
All the usual suspects saying VAR didn’t need to get involved. They get involved in every penalty decision and if there’s doubt they use the authority they have been given to inform the referee off such.
In this case there was doubt. If there’s Ref had given the penalty for the shirt pulling, that would have been very soft to say the least. If he gave it for a foul by Maguire then that was a clear and obvious error.
In this case there was doubt. If there’s Ref had given the penalty for the shirt pulling, that would have been very soft to say the least. If he gave it for a foul by Maguire then that was a clear and obvious error.
Dale Johnson is a paid VAR apologist / propagandist. They just showed the ref the maguire part of the challenge because that's what he said he saw for the pen. It doesn't seem to have occurred to them to show the entire incident, including the De Ligt part, given the ref obviously didn't see the whole incident and it's very obviously all relevant for the decision. Or the angle from the goal.
VAR shouldn't be getting involved for this incident and it won't be long before another pen is given in similar circumstances and it won't. Making a total mockery of the whole system. No idea how anyone can continue to support the use of VAR, it's an awful system, totally inconsistent, still get mistakes, slows games down and ruins goals. Even with semi auto offside it's still going to be crap.
Scrap it ASAP and Johnson can be put to work writing about something else.
Ironic that we’ve had people moaning about VAR getting involved where it shouldn’t, and now you’re suggesting it does exactly that, by asking the VAR to review a challenge that the referee had not deemed a foul.
The only question that the VAR should be asking is whether they think it’s the correct decision. Ditching “clear and obvious” is such an easy move to improve it.
Here, we (apparently) have the ridiculous situation where they apply one standard of proof to the challenge by Maguire and a completely different one to the challenge by MDL in the same incident. All they should really be asking is whether either is a foul.
In this instance, they got the right decision - it’s not a penalty. However, the process to get there seems utterly moronic. If the opposite decision would have been reached if the ref had decided it was a foul by MDL then that can’t possibly be the correct approach.
Here, we (apparently) have the ridiculous situation where they apply one standard of proof to the challenge by Maguire and a completely different one to the challenge by MDL in the same incident. All they should really be asking is whether either is a foul.
In this instance, they got the right decision - it’s not a penalty. However, the process to get there seems utterly moronic. If the opposite decision would have been reached if the ref had decided it was a foul by MDL then that can’t possibly be the correct approach.
Have to be extra careful in the box on Wednesday. They'll be gunning to give anything to Ipswich after the standard media whingefest.
After what happened vs Villa, we have a Chelsea fan in lack of self awareness shocker
As glaring an example as you’ll get on the difference in Utd coverage and everyone else
The de Ligt shirt pull didn’t stop him or cause him to go down
No, VAR should get involved. The issue is they’re inconsistent. This for example was clearly one they SHOULD have got involved with… but very little comment on social media, the media or by lots of posters on here. Odd that.
There’s a couple who are clearly trolling now. Hope they carry on, mods more likely to ban themThere were Chelsea fans in this thread moaning about the United non penalty