Liverpool fans clearly have a warped view of what is a penalty
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It's one of those that must be hard for the ref right at the end but they really should wait for VAR for mad scrambles that are hard to see. He gave it with such conviction.
A rare case when var was used perfectly. I don’t blame the ref for giving it in real time, and var did the right thing by recommending he have a look, rather than just go with the on field decision. No issues with this.
Amazed the VAR got that right, but if I’m being critical, the ref was too eager to blow in the first place.
Yes there’s some jostling in the area, as always, but nothing to warrant Young going over in that manner.
If anything, I’m surprised he wasn’t booked. That was about a clear an example as you’ll see of a player trying to trick the referee.
Yes there’s some jostling in the area, as always, but nothing to warrant Young going over in that manner.
If anything, I’m surprised he wasn’t booked. That was about a clear an example as you’ll see of a player trying to trick the referee.
He makes his life easier by not giving it. He cant have seen a definite penalty and if he doesn't give it var can correct him. If he'd blown and booked young for diving resulting in a red, we wouldn't even have a conversation.
But he gave havertz that penalty against arsenal in the cup and i was waiting for him to do the same today
They showed the replay about 15 times, compare that to our penalty appeal for handball where they didn't even show the part where it hit the players hand.
Soft pen to give. Didnt think var would overturn it though.
Maguire went over softly in the second half, appealing for a pen. It looked ridiculous on replay, and even it was more of a penalty that youngs effort
I forgot about that one, what a shocker. Maybe he should go back to Ref school.
Club should have internal discussion about not allowing some media or people inside Old Trafford. United being dominant in 90s and 00s have taken hard on some. Jealousy and just dislike for us shows perfectly.
Young used to get hammered by the media for diving like that as a United player. There’s no way that the contact there takes both feet if the ground.
Its comical. Its one for highlights reels for people who hate football and diving
VAR actually working. Little shirt pull yes, nowhere near enough to really impede young, and young throws himself to the floor looking for it.
Young should of than been booked which would of been a second yellow aswell, blatant dive.
If there is one thing VAR could do to improve football it should be to stamp out diving, but all it's really done so far has encouraged it.
Young should of than been booked which would of been a second yellow aswell, blatant dive.
If there is one thing VAR could do to improve football it should be to stamp out diving, but all it's really done so far has encouraged it.
The pull back on dorgu about ten minutes before when I think it was Bruno played him in behind looked way worse but dorgu stayed on his feet. Young dives like a bird and pen is given.
Then I never thought it would be overturned untill I seen they only showed ref the angle that clearly looked like a dive and not the angle from behind the goal showing a slight pull that could have made the decision iffy. The whole thing is bonkers
Then I never thought it would be overturned untill I seen they only showed ref the angle that clearly looked like a dive and not the angle from behind the goal showing a slight pull that could have made the decision iffy. The whole thing is bonkers
at worst it was justice for the west ham one that cost us a point.
Bad decision to give a pen but surprised it was overturned. Such is the oddity of PL officiating.
If Young doesn't swan dive I think it would have stood.
If Young doesn't swan dive I think it would have stood.
Same Everton fans who think konate wasn't fouled in stoppage time 1 week ago are adamant that young was fouled today. The idiocy of football fans in a nutshell
That's VAR working as it should really. Ref makes a decision from what he sees, they tell him to have another look and he can then reassess.
still think it's weird the ball is clearly trapped under Beto's arm, but VAR and commentators kept checking and talking about how it hit Branthwaite's head. Even in the matchday thread people were saying Zirkzee needs glasses - when the appeal was blatantly about Beto
checked the wrong player and just moved on like nothing happened
checked the wrong player and just moved on like nothing happened
That was so annoying. Not even one proper angle of it, let alone multiple replays from different angles.still think it's weird the ball is clearly trapped under Beto's arm, but VAR and commentators kept checking and talking about how it hit Branthwaite's head. Even in the matchday thread people were saying Zirkzee needs glasses - when the appeal was blatantly about Beto
checked the wrong player and just moved on like nothing happened
The state of professionalism in the coverage of VAR decisions in rugby just puts football to shame. Really clear explanation by the ref to the crowd and the viewers as to why he’s made the decision.
It was a blatant dive. Never enough contact to go down that theatrically, classic Ashley Young. He’s got plenty previous for doing this sort of thing and I remember every oppo used to scream dive every time he done it in a red shirt, now it’s the complete opposite, funny that.
If Young fell down naturally without that stupid swan dive he'd have a decent shout for a pen. There were two clear shirt pulls and did not expect it to get overturned.
Michael Owen was seething on the channel I was watching.
Michael Owen was seething on the channel I was watching.
Thats my interpretation as well. Seen those pens given a lot (I think at least). Also Maguire is known for using his arms in such situations. Ash took it way too giddy though, I am happy not to concede the pen but I am actually a bit suprised so many dismiss it so vehemently.
Penalty aside, he was giving United plenty of 50/50 decisions today - including many that other refs wouldn’t have given us on Dorgu and Garnacho. He (and VAR) even correctly overturned the penalty. I still think he’s awful, but he was fine today.
Interesting to see how the media reacts to the penalty being overturned. If this is blown up again, I’m not sure we’re getting any decisions in our way again this season
Ashley Young doing his best impersonation of bottle-nosed dolphin = no pen. VAR called it correctly.
The minimal contact made by the defender should never result in that outcome.
Thankfully a bit of common sense there.
The minimal contact made by the defender should never result in that outcome.
Thankfully a bit of common sense there.
You can see from the camera angle coming from in the goal that there are two shirt pulls, so VAR shouldn't be getting involved because it's not a clear and obvious error. Doesn't look like the ref was actually given that camera angle at the monitor though... Surprise.
Obviously Young makes a massive meal of the contact and does a swan dive and it's very soft. There's no clear error in the incident to warrant intervention in the first place, it's a very soft foul, that's all.
Scrap VAR now, not point in it at all. Still get all the mistakes just takes longer.
Obviously Young makes a massive meal of the contact and does a swan dive and it's very soft. There's no clear error in the incident to warrant intervention in the first place, it's a very soft foul, that's all.
Scrap VAR now, not point in it at all. Still get all the mistakes just takes longer.
Yeah but it’s Rugby. That’s probably a welcome distraction from the games.
Yeah things like this are the issue. Clear dive, VAR is useful and helpful - yet opposition thinks the wrong decision is made as it wasn’t clear and obvious. I’m sure if it was a penalty given against Chelsea, and it was overturned, you’d be just as annoyed.
That's typically how it works. One decision 'for' us equals about 8 months of horror
still think it's weird the ball is clearly trapped under Beto's arm, but VAR and commentators kept checking and talking about how it hit Branthwaite's head. Even in the matchday thread people were saying Zirkzee needs glasses - when the appeal was blatantly about Beto
checked the wrong player and just moved on like nothing happened
Never hand ball. It just Branthwaite and smacked into him.
I can't believe pundits are even suggesting that should be a foul. You'd have to give at least 5 or 6 pens a game if that's the standard.
The process goes: did it benefit United? Yes? Outrage
that may be so - but this is what should have been reviewed:
instead - for whatever reason - VAR focused on Branthwaite, and both commentators were talking about the ball hitting Branthwaite's head and acting as if Zirkzee/United players were lunatics
I think he blew quickly as fans were really getting on his back ( for reffing the game properly ) glad VAR actually did what’s its supposed to do
That Bournemouth red was a shocking decision. It was always a yellow. The momentum from the ball took him forward, it was never an intentional dangerous tackle.
Salah has taken 50 in his time at Liverpool. It’s fair to say they get those penalties today.
Came back here to talk about this. Seems a lot on Twitter are ranting about VAR checking the wrong angle for the penalty. Yet on my stream they didn’t mention anything about the still frame above either. And nobody seems to care.still think it's weird the ball is clearly trapped under Beto's arm, but VAR and commentators kept checking and talking about how it hit Branthwaite's head. Even in the matchday thread people were saying Zirkzee needs glasses - when the appeal was blatantly about Beto
checked the wrong player and just moved on like nothing happened
Even if it’s not a penalty it’s bizarre that VAR don’t take a look at it or it’s not mentioned by the tv crew. Again not sure how they covered it on TNT though.
I’d be pissed off if roles were reversed I’m sure… as I love a last minute penalty.
But it’s not whether they pull his shirt, it’s whether they pull his shirt and cause what looked like at first, a clear foul … it didn’t, he placed his foot next to Maguires and fell/spun. Not every shirt tug/contact is a foul. I think their intervention was “you thought they pulled his shirt so hard, it caused him to be yanked back, brought to the floor so he couldn’t get onto that cross … it didn’t”.
Sad thing (modern football) is I think Young has a chance there if he doesn’t dive.
Guess some decisions are clear for all (bar Arsenal fans) and some depend on who you support.
My guess is they did look at that, commentary were fixated on Branthwaite, but VAR saw the contact with the hand and determined it was completely accidental with his hand in a natural position. Which is perfectly reasonable.
In a way it is similar to Konate’s the other week, Konate’s was worse, he pretty much scooped the ball, changed the trajectory but as his arm was in that position and it was clearly unintentional it’s just not a penalty.