VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

VorZakone said:
"Need bad to experience good" is a bizarre argument. People are now literally arguing they're fine with bad decisions to spare some VAR intervention.
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No. You just live in a World where you forgot which emotions football and honest/dishonest football feels. Football should reflect life, not be a PC polished version of life. It should be in the moment.
Everything around us in everyday is digested and feelings are stripped from it before it entere consumers in a polished way. Original football before VAR was raw and honest. And that includes injustices at times.

Football before VAR was brilliant, yet you try to make sense of VAR - probably in logic ways - but football has for centuries been loved for it’s heat of the moment … the passion, not the technicalities.
 
ROFLUTION said:
No. You just live in a World where you forgot which emotions football and honest/dishonest football feels. Football should reflect life, not be a PC polished version of life. It should be in the moment.
Everything around us in everyday is digested and feelings are stripped from it before it entere consumers in a polished way. Original football before VAR was raw and honest. And that includes injustices at times.

Football before VAR was brilliant, yet you try to make sense of VAR - probably in logic ways - but football has for centuries been loved for it’s heat of the moment … the passion, not the technicalities.
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If this is where you're coming from, we're miles apart on this subject.

VAR didn't take away the passion for me. It's not even needed for each goal!
 
They're just chucking yellow cards around like confetti at this Euros. Griezmann and Rabiot just booked for next to nothing, and we've seen similar in other games.

Given how draconian the suspension rules are as well, it's just ridiculous having players miss key games in a tournament for things that are barely fouls.
 
Faking head injuries is one of the biggest blights in the game now.

Players know that if there is an opposition limb within 2 feet of their head they can just throw their hands to their face, scream, and get an automatic free-kick. It's ridiculous.
 
Will say that the semi-automated offsides thing have been worked well during the Euros. Hoping it works as well when the Premier League implements it for this coming season.
 
No handball imo but i wouldnt be against it if that was given.
But then Toni Kroos shouldve been sent off long before that.

We have seen worse from Taylor.
 
Just feel Taylor didn't have the balls to call it. The occasion, the big teams involved and all that. He didn't dare for it to he decided on his penalty call.
 
fallengt said:
No handball imo but i wouldnt be against it if that was given.
But then Toni Kroos shouldve been sent off long before that.

We have seen worse from Taylor.
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Kroos should have received a yellow when he injured Pedri. He is experienced enough to finish the game with a yellow from that point on but he did get away with multiple yellow card momemts.

Says a lot about Taylor that he had a really bad game and that we have seen worse of him :lol:
 
fallengt said:
No handball imo but i wouldnt be against it if that was given.

We have seen worse from Taylor.
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The only reason it wasn't given was an offside right beforehand. Otherwise it was one of the most obvious handballs of the tournament so far. I wouldn't complain if that was given against us in the league.

And while you're right, that's just a horrifying indictment on Taylor.
 
fallengt said:
No handball imo but i wouldnt be against it if that was given.
But then Toni Kroos shouldve been sent off long before that.

We have seen worse from Taylor.
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10/10 times it’s a penalty with the standards set by UEFA for CL and the Euros. It’s bonkers that VAR didn’t recommend Taylor to watch it on the screen
 
NotChatGPT said:
10/10 times it’s a penalty with the standards set by UEFA for CL and the Euros. It’s bonkers that VAR didn’t recommend Taylor to watch it on the screen
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Any idea who was at VAR. I was shocked they had made a decision within seconds, as if it was already decided
 
NotChatGPT said:
10/10 times it’s a penalty with the standards set by UEFA for CL and the Euros. It’s bonkers that VAR didn’t recommend Taylor to watch it on the screen
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exactly. Penalty clear as daylight. Surely this was one of the worst mistakes in big games since implementation of VAR
 
Red Stone said:
The only reason it wasn't given was an offside right beforehand. Otherwise it was one of the most obvious handballs of the tournament so far. I wouldn't complain if that was given against us in the league.

And while you're right, that's just a horrifying indictment on Taylor.
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They didn’t even check it for offside?
 
I think it's a penalty. They keep saying his hand was down by his side. It wasn't, it was on its way down but it was significantly out and it blocked a powerful shot that looked to be heading on target. Penalty.
 
Shane88 said:
I think it's a penalty. They keep saying his hand was down by his side. It wasn't, it was on its way down but it was significantly out and it blocked a powerful shot that looked to be heading on target. Penalty.
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Never a pen because of offside in the buildup, crazy how people ignore it
 
NotChatGPT said:
No lines have been drawn up to conclude, and the angles from all the replays are inconclusive in terms of the parts of his body that he can score with, it just looks tight.
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no lines have been drawn up as the ref didn't deem it necessary and didn't whistle the handball in the first place, but it doesn't mean it was not offside. for me it was quite clear and if the handball was any tighter I think we'd see the replay and there would be no doubt.
hellhunter said:
I've seen it as well and it's clearcut for me, it's really wild how they only showed it once, briefly, and never talked about it again
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I think that's because Taylor didn't think the handball of Cucu was worth checking for a pen, so he disregarded that. But for me, watching it live and seeing the replays now, Krug was clearly off.
 
This discussion highlights the need for some form of explanation, either through pictures and text or audio between the ref and the VAR room, of how controversial decisions were made. VAR being put on blast by everyone now for something that could have been avoided if refs could accept just some accountability and willingness to defend their work.
 
Red Star One said:
no lines have been drawn up as the ref didn't deem it necessary and didn't whistle the handball in the first place, but it doesn't mean it was not offside. for me it was quite clear and if the handball was any tighter I think we'd see the replay and there would be no doubt.

I think that's because Taylor didn't think the handball of Cucu was worth checking for a pen, so he disregarded that. But for me, watching it live and seeing the replays now, Krug was clearly off.
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”clearly off”

Mental.
 
Red Star One said:
no lines have been drawn up as the ref didn't deem it necessary and didn't whistle the handball in the first place, but it doesn't mean it was not offside. for me it was quite clear and if the handball was any tighter I think we'd see the replay and there would be no doubt.

I think that's because Taylor didn't think the handball of Cucu was worth checking for a pen, so he disregarded that. But for me, watching it live and seeing the replays now, Krug was clearly off.
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Only reasonable explanation, yeah, but would've saved everyone a lot of blood pressure to just show some lines there
 
hellhunter said:
Only reasonable explanation, yeah, but would've saved everyone a lot of blood pressure to just show some lines there
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The supposed offside has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

If it did, the chain of events would be: VAR checking to see if it’s penalty -> VAR checking if it was offside in the build up.

They didn’t check it. Taylor said he saw the handball and signalled that the player had his arm close to his body, VAR didn’t do anything because then they didn’t deem it as clear and obvious fault
 
Did Taylor know there was an offside in the build-up? He seemed to suggest it wasn't handball instead.
 
NotChatGPT said:
The supposed offside has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

If it did, the chain of events would be: VAR checking to see if it’s penalty -> VAR checking if it was offside in the build up.

They didn’t check it. Taylor said he saw the handball and signalled that the player had his arm close to his body, VAR didn’t do anything because then they didn’t deem it as clear and obvious fault
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Does it matter why the penalty wasn't given if there's a valid, yet not considered, reason it wasn't given?
 
VorZakone said:
Did Taylor know there was an offside in the build-up? He seemed to suggest it wasn't handball instead.
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Does Taylor actually know anything? I think we can take for granted that he's as useless as he's always been and that the crux of the matter here is whether VAR should have reminded him of how useless he is in this instance or not.
 
hellhunter said:
Does it matter why the penalty wasn't given if there's a valid, yet not considered, reason it wasn't given?
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We don‘t know if it’s valid, since no lines have actually been drawn up to verify, and all the replays just indicate it’s tight if he’s onside or not.
 
I didn't think it was a penalty, but Taylor had a shocking game all the same... what did and didn't constitute a booking was so arbitary he was basically just making it up as he went along.

Oliver in his game was marginally better, but booking Palinha for a good sliding tackle was the standard complete guess-work you'd expect from Oliver.

In short, our refs are definitely the shittest refs.
 
Europe has gotten a real taste of British officials now. Ridiculous inconsistency, ruining the flow of games, infuriating players and somehow getting rewarded by the higher ups.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I didn't think it was a penalty, but Taylor had a shocking game all the same... what did and didn't constitute a booking was so arbitary he was basically just making it up as he went along.

Oliver in his game was marginally better, but booking Palinha for a good sliding tackle was the standard complete guess-work you'd expect from Oliver.

In short, our refs are definitely the shittest refs.
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I feel like Taylor lost control very early. He followed the idiotic English mantra of "it's too early to give out a card" and the match ended up being very niggly early on as a result. Later he was then forced to dish out cards for challenges he let go early on. And how Kroos (maybe Andrich too) escaped a second yellow is beyond me.

Oliver was better but let's be honest, that bar was set very, very low. Hopefully no English referees make the semis or the final.
 
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