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Another poor day for referees.
Maddison and Casemiro escaping a red were both awful decisions.
Maddison and Casemiro escaping a red were both awful decisions.
Far more often than not its a yellow on the basis that he doesnt connect higher up the foot.
Thats the standard they have set. Casemiro’s tackle isnt nice, but thats the way it is.
With 7 league games to play I'm still waiting and looking forward to "things to balance themselves out"
If that was Rashford doing exactly the same thing to win a pen he would be criticized by every pundit and Klopp would be whinging about it every week.
100% this.
More than refs/Car, club is pathetic to let this happen without making any fuss about it.
Bunch of cowards, just see how Liverpool and Arsenal dealt with one or two wrong decisions going against them
Last season the ridiculous red cards for Casemiro and the suspensions that followed almost derailed our season. This season refs would actually be doing us a favour if he got sent off and suspended, given the form he's in.
No penalty at all.
I'd be happy if someone could compile a video of all the times we've been cheated this season.
I'd be happy if someone could compile a video of all the times we've been cheated this season.
Bradley didn't get a red in the first half either so neither should Case.
The second Chelsea one is still the worst one for me. Sick and tired of our manager and club not making noise about it. If you want to win in this league you have to scream and shout about refs.
Agreed.
Slow motion is also distorting Elliot’s ability to change direction mid-movement. Real time replays present an entirely different picture.
Yet AWB managed to change the direction of his foot, so that he avoided contact. Elliot was 'cute' in getting contact. Unfortunately, it's part of the game.
This. 100%. Slow motion replays create false narratives. The notion that AWB cleverly pulled his foot away is also an artifice, when in reality it’s just a natural motion at the ankle after a swing and a miss like that.
Ref Watch: Maddision was lucky not to see a straight red
Ben White is embarrasing here
Ben White is embarrasing here
The Maddison incident is a perfect example of VAR picking and choosing. By the letter of the law there is no way they shouldn't be getting involved - especially if you look at Case's red last year for something nowhere near as bad.
Honestly, they need to sack Dermot from this programme. It’s like getting blood out of a stone for him to say there’s a mistake.
“No evidence of violent conduct”
So punching someone is a non-violent act now?
Farcical isn’t even the word……
So punching someone is a non-violent act now?
Farcical isn’t even the word……
He’s the worst. Never gives a straight answer to any question, Sue asks him if a player’s reputation plays any part in influencing a referee’s decision making and he completely avoids answering it and instead comes out with some shite about how the referee never seen the incident.
The only harsh red he got was against Palace for the hands around the neck when other guys have been let off with it.
I don't get people saying it wasn't a red against Southampton when the studs go half way up the players shin and the Galatasary one was straight forward as well.
Arsenal's penalty
If you're sending Maddison off there then you need to send Yates(who was already on a yellow) off as well for doing VAR signs to the ref, really should be doing that regardless of Maddison actually.
Disgrace of a decision
I have also been told this by a relative of Tony Harrington
Ha. Might be the same person!
Lisbon derby this weekend, title on the line, var decides this is not a red.
That's pretty desperate even for the average football fan. The player who just got punched asked for it to be reviewed so actually he should be sent off? You should just keep quiet and thank your lucky stars Maddison got away with it.
Not really, it's no different to waving imaginary yellows at the ref.
There are people in the other thread adamant that this is a stonewaller.
First point of contact is here:
He’s already going down, hence it is a dive. Unquestionably, unless Obi Wan Kenobi is in the crowd. You fall when you’re tripped, so why is he falling without any contact whatsoever? The answer is because he started diving a moment before when he expected contact with AWB’s leg, which wasn’t there. So he had to manufacture it.
He also doesn’t even have possession the ball at the point of contact. Making a clumsy challenge isn’t a punishable offence in and of itself.
Here it is in real-time from two angles and then slowed down. I say it's a penalty - a defender cannot be this reckless in the box. Furthermore, not exactly sure how Elliott would have avoided falling down whether he "moves his foot" or not. AWB fully impeded his forward progress and anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul and free kick. This is basically 100% on AWB for a rash, unnecessary decision - don't give the attacking player the opportunity to fall or dive. When tackling in the box the defender better get the ball cleanly.
Maybe had Cassemiro not tried to play a cute lofted pass from his own box into nowhere land and had instead booted clear like one should when the opposition is practically ensconced in your box.
And we'd all be screaming for a pen at the other end in this scenario. We saw Ronaldo and Rooney pull off these clever fouls in years past, some still say Rooney dived against Arsenal in 2004/05 to earn a pen.
Maybe had Cassemiro not tried to play a cute lofted pass from his own box into nowhere land and had instead booted clear like one should when the opposition is practically ensconced in your box.
And we'd all be screaming for a pen at the other end in this scenario. We saw Ronaldo and Rooney pull off these clever fouls in years past, some still say Rooney dived against Arsenal in 2004/05 to earn a pen.
Said this when it first happened. No contact. I don't really care how stupid the challenge was (and it was), he literally dived all day long.
Pretty sure the commentator said that players telling the ref to check VAR should be given a yellow according to rules.
There are people in the other thread adamant that this is a stonewaller.
First point of contact is here:
He’s already going down, hence it is a dive. Unquestionably, unless Obi Wan Kenobi is in the crowd. You fall when you’re tripped, so why is he falling without any contact whatsoever? The answer is because he started diving a moment before when he expected contact with AWB’s leg, which wasn’t there. So he had to manufacture it.
He also doesn’t even have possession the ball at the point of contact. Making a clumsy challenge isn’t a punishable offence in and of itself.
That is not the first point of contact, AWB's left knee hits his right ankle before that, you would think slowing it down to that speed might make that noticeable.
There's no point arguing with people who base their opinion on a still image anyway.
Guys just stop, I’m the captain of ‘united get done by refs’ team, but this one is clearly a pen. Whether he’s looking for it or not doesn’t matter, AWB clearly catches him late like a muppet.
Ha! Whats the teams ethos? Does being captain come with any perks?!
But yeah, I refuse to believe every single human being on this forum wouldn't be screaming for a pen if it was at the other end.
dunno about perks! Going grey earlier than you should be? I always think that’s the best test! If that happened to us and we didn’t get it I’d be in here with the rest of the team moaning.
This is kind of irrelevant to me in the context where Yates gets juffed in the gut. Slugging a player and then saying he should get sent off too because he complained is bit off.
Ah here. I thought he did a Jonny Giles by the way everyone was banging on about it. That's the softest 'punch' I've ever seen
Would it help VAR if refs just stopped giving the 50/50 penalties that are on the edge? A bit like the Elliot one or Chelsea’s two.
Then it would be up to the VAR room. As it is now, then when ref gives a 50/50 one then VAR can only say “it’s not clear and obvious” so we wont change the decision.
if it was the other way, both VAR would have to only do clear penalties, making the line less soft + the ref would still be able to take a look at the screen to decide if the 50/50 is worth giving or not.
It’s quite simple and it would improve VAR a lot imo
Then it would be up to the VAR room. As it is now, then when ref gives a 50/50 one then VAR can only say “it’s not clear and obvious” so we wont change the decision.
if it was the other way, both VAR would have to only do clear penalties, making the line less soft + the ref would still be able to take a look at the screen to decide if the 50/50 is worth giving or not.
It’s quite simple and it would improve VAR a lot imo
Not giving a penalty is also a decision. If the referee had not given the AWB and Dalot ones then VAR would not have overturned that decision and given a penalty.