It's hard to see in slow motion if so.. I still can't see it. So how did the ref see it? Think he just guessed on both of the decisions tbh VAR didn't have enough to overrule.
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I think if we’re 3-2 up and the ref adds eight minutes (3-4 too many) then gives a penalty that he wasn’t sure about in the sixth minute of added time… we can look at the refereeing a little?
It's absolutely nuts. There's no way that should be given whatever the colour of the shirts. There's been absolute stonewallers brushed off and the decision backed up by those twats on ref watch... And then there's this
Is there a replay of the other pen?
It's absolutely nuts. There's no way that should be given whatever the colour of the shirts. There's been absolute stonewallers brushed off and the decision backed up by those twats on ref watch... And then there's this
Is there a replay of the other pen?
That's the second one. Think there's actually contact on the back of the foot, but Madueke takes it a couple of strides and then falls over. Bit bonkers really.
Absolutely abysmal reffing performance. Letting people get away with so many cynical fouls without bookings and in general his whole team felt clueless. I don't blame him for the pens, I can understand in real time why he given them. When you see what he let go all game and the absolute bare minimum of contact for both pen incidents isn't even suggested to review based on how he's reffed the game, it just seems fecking ridiculous.
Waiting for the ridiculous justifications of these decisions. They were genuinely super soft penalties, barely any contact. I mean Walker's brush in the direction of Rashford the other week was more of a foul than these two. Whether or not 'we're being screwed' by decisions all season, I think it's fair to say that all VAR has done has favoured the diver. ANY contact at all, and VAR cannot overturn the decision then? If the ref says he gave a (subjective) decision to award a penalty for 'foot on foot' contact, VAR cannot (subjectively) overturn that decision if they find the slightest brush of foot on foot. What a mess.
If the referee on the field waved both of those away there's not a chance VAR makes him go to the monitor to review. They would be cleared within a few seconds. That's the problem with the way it's being used for penalty checks. 99% they just ratify the on field decision.
Yeah that does make it worse.
One of the biggest things in the game that fans hate is diving. We now have a tool (VAR) that can help to eliminate this from the game and punish those that try to con the ref, however we are unwilling to use the tool in the manner. It just seems crazy! Also, the fact that we get no further consistency from VAR adds to the frustration of the fans.
Let's compare the foul against Dalo to the one where Gabriel has his arm wrapped around Hojlund...how is one of those called a pen and one not, when there is the ability for officials to review them both. Just seems insane but where we are with the state of the game unfortunately.
Let's compare the foul against Dalo to the one where Gabriel has his arm wrapped around Hojlund...how is one of those called a pen and one not, when there is the ability for officials to review them both. Just seems insane but where we are with the state of the game unfortunately.
Ffs that's as soft as feck aswell.
You can't see contact in either decision. That's absolutely wild
Man feck Var, what's the point?
We need to hire a ref analyst or whatever it is Forest hired Clattenburg as. They can analyse all the poor decisions against us and make a case for us getting shafted by refs more often than other teams
Pretty much only any good for offsides at this point. It adds to frustration and confusion at this point.Ffs that's as soft as feck aswell.
You can't see contact in either decision. That's absolutely wild
Man feck Var, what's the point?
Think the referee should be reviewing in tandem with VAR and we should hear it, like rugby. Can't understand the reluctance.
All they're interested in is self-preservation. The whole 'clear and obvious error' nonsense is purely designed to protect themselves from criticism. They're not interested in using the technology to get to the right decision. You see it every week on ref watch. It's always searching for an angle to defend the decision rather than making an objective judgement on the incident.
I didn't see the game but I'm assuming that both of these decisions were given on the field and not overturned. If it's the other way around I absolutely despair for the future of the game.
Yeah, it's just so transparently self-serving. For pens, it's nowt but a theatrical arse-covering exercise.
Neither of those pens is given by VAR in a million years if the on-field ref doesn't give it first. The ref has to be right even when he clearly isn't.
Backed up me edit so. I wasn't able to see the game but watching those replays l just knew they were given as pens by the ref in real time. It seems to be getting worse as well, there's been some shocking decisions over the past few weeks.
Yeah I hate watching Dermot Gallagher on it, and they never get called out on their wildly contradictory views from one week to the next.
Yeah both decisions given onfield.
Did Erik have a go about the pens?
Because it's just the words "mate", "[Surname]+y" and "looks good that" repeated over and over. Boys club not wanting to make their friends look like mugs on national TV.
And tbf, I don't blame them for that aspect. I'm not going to mug my mates work off if I have no reason to, let alone at the kind of stakes these guys are doing it. But that lack of neutrality shouldn't exist in the first place.
I do blame them. They're not supposed to be mates. They're supposed to be professionals adjudicating the game played at the highest level. In reality it's feckin amateur hour.
Game has gone.
Can you imagine the furore if either of those pens were given against any of our rivals?
Will it be the talking point all week? Will it feck.
The Dalot one is definitely a foul. He kicks the sole of the attacker’s foot which causes both players to lose balance. Dalot then stumbles forward, further bumping into the attacker, who is already struggling to stay upright due to the initial contact and goes down.
I wasn’t convinced by the Antony one though. Was irritating that the commentary was giving every impression it was a completely clear foul when I was struggling to see what had actually caused him to go down.
The Dalot one is a straight up dive. Look at the replay posted above. Whatever contact has happened and Dalot is on the way to the ground by the time the Chelsea player, who was not struggling to stay up, decides to throw his legs out and hit the deck.
Have people honestly forgotten what being pushed over or tripped up looks like? It isn't that!
St. Patrick turning in his grave.The fact that he's a fellow Irishman makes it even worse.
Looking at the replays. The problem with both Utd players is that they allowed themselves to get on the wrong side of the attacker, once that happens and you're in the box, any tackle or attempt at a tackle will be clumsy and contact, even if it's minimal will be enough to send a player to ground.
Now we know VAR won't ever overturn a penalty where there is contact. Both penalties were soft, but you can see why they were given and why they weren't overturned.
Now we know VAR won't ever overturn a penalty where there is contact. Both penalties were soft, but you can see why they were given and why they weren't overturned.
Nah mate. You can't even see definitive contact. It's either a foul or it isn't. The criteria they use is the problem.
that 2nd penalty is soft as feck.
Had Bruno got that, there would have been media outrage
Had Bruno got that, there would have been media outrage
The premier league is closer to WWE than a real sport. Games costing clubs millions people their jobs and all being decided on a whim with decisions that aren’t even consistent in a match weekend nevermind a season.
The leagues dying and all the people that are benefitting from the mess won’t see through their tribalness till it’s too late.
But United are still losing, so who cares.
The leagues dying and all the people that are benefitting from the mess won’t see through their tribalness till it’s too late.
But United are still losing, so who cares.
In both you can see the contact. Knee to knee on thel first and Dalot catching Madueke's boot on the second.
I agree about the criteria, but when you allow yourself to get wrong side and try to challenge for the ball, you're just putting yourself in trouble.
Wow if you get two of those penalties in a season…never mind in one game.
And the daft ones all over social media saying dalot didn’t even appeal, last time he did that he got the most ridiculous 2 yellow cards ever, beyond parody.
When we get clear and obvious pens (I.e the Rashford one against Forest) it was a whole hour on talk sport, I wonder if they did the same thing?
Don't be daft. The wet blanket doesn't have the bottle for that.
So I take it no red card then?
Have the inevitable PMGOL apologies emerged yet or is it just when clubs don't get penalties against United?
Hard to tell really whether the contact really caused the fall, but it was so minimal that it's so frustrating. I am more pissed at Dalot for it to be honest, either bring him down outside the box or put pressure from the inside, don't just run behind him into the box and give the player and ref the chance.
He's definitely improved his all round game of late, but he's still brainless.
He's definitely improved his all round game of late, but he's still brainless.
If the contact caused the fall then he'd either be knocked off balance and fall after trying to stay up, or he'd go down instantly. He takes a few more strides and just collapses. Yes, Dalot does touch him underneath his boot, which is what they consistently zoomed in on.
For the first penalty, there's the slightest contact between Antonys knee and Cucurellas thigh, if there was anything in it Cucurella wouldn't collapse straight forward.
There's contact in both situations, but it's a contact sport and how many penalties haven't been waved away with the excuse that it's "not enough in it".
I thought both looked like nailed on penalties when they were given, and i can understand that Gillett think there's more in it, but i can't understand why he's not send to the screen for a verification when the VAR, even though it's the ever so fecking useless clown Coote, should clearly be able to see that there's minimal contact.
It's also quite funny in terms of Howard Webb punishing Taylor for awarding Newcastle a penalty against Wolves..Contact but not enough and VAR should have intervened.