What on earth offside are you talking about? I can't see anything even close to being offside.
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What on earth offside are you talking about? I can't see anything even close to being offside.
"He's got 2 arms around, that's a penalty all day. Easy one."
But not sometimes. Today's was as clear an occasion as you'd like to see where the ref should have been sent to the screen. It's much more of a foul than Hojlund on Rhodri. Or the Bruno tickle against Barca last year ffs. And plenty more.
Scrap VAR now. It's not helping, but it's massively hurting the game.
It's insane, is it not?
And yes, I agree. VAR hasn't minimized the amount of errors (or the perceived amount of errors, anyway), but it's disrupting games and taking away the exaltation around goals. Scrap it.
Although our team has been pretty bad - and they have been bad - these endless decisions against us aren't helping Manchester United football club at all are they. We've been on the end of some absolutely -shocking- decisions. That Dalot double-dissent sending off, the City penalty, the handball vs spurs, the pull on Garnacho today, the pull on Hojlund at Arsenal are all just subjectively awful, awful calls. Like fair enough now once or twice we've gotten away with them, but looking back that Onana call wasn't anywhere near as flagrant as some of the ones we've been done for.
I've never seen anything like it. Very nearly every game this season, at least one of four things happen, and often more than one:
- Denied an utter stonewall penalty that's practically always given for other teams
- Opponents are wrongly awarded a penalty that's never given against other teams
- An opponent should have been sent off for an obvious red card offense, but wasn't
- A United player gets sent off for something that nobody else ever gets sent off for
It's legitimately almost every game. Meanwhile, the reverse barely ever happens. We're not given these decisions in our favour anywhere remotely close to as often as they're given against us. It's such a consistent trend, and in many cases, they're decisions that anyone who isn't utterly insane or deluded by ABU hatred can see are wrong.
It's basically impossible to get sent off against United anymore, and it feels like players have realized this and are using it to their advantage. In the last few years, we've been down a man in more than twice as many games as the opposite. In at least half the cases, our red cards were for things other teams do every week and never get sent off for. Every single week without exception, we see one or more incidents for which a United player has been sent off in recent times but another team's player isn't. Every week, time and time again. There was more than one example of that just today.
Last year I saw a statistic that showed we had the most VAR decisions against us in all of Europe, the worst ratio of red cards against vs. for in England, the least penalties awarded of all teams that had qualified for the CL the previous season, and several other such statistics detailing how utterly swindled we've been for a very long time. And these aren't ambiguous 50/50 decisions, most of the time. They're stonewallers and cards that are given 99% of the time, just never in our favour, or red cards and penalties against us that are only ever given when it's against us. It's getting ridiculous at this point, and if it was all down to coincidence, it's reaching lottery-winning levels of statistical improbability.
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It's strange how Neville was so quick to say it wasn't a pen and then didn't backtrack when the slow motion replays came up.
I'd be interested in seeing that for myself. I believe it - in the champions league we gave a penalty or a red card away in pretty much every single match didn't we. It's been -weird-. Maybe it's a backlash to the Bruno-penalty season, but players just elbow, pull down and foul our players with impunity, complain to the referees etc while our players and manager have played and spoken like they're walking on eggshells all the time.
It’s a stonewall fecking penalty, the agenda against us is so obvious. Every man and his dog can see it.
That's a lie.
Maybe only after the Arsenal game from EtH but never from our club.
Not maybe only after the Arsenal game from ETH stop lying.
What about the second penalty? Rashford's foot on the line.
Ref watch
City v Newcastle late offside that led to Edersons injury
Malo Gusto potential red against Fulham
Lutons controversial equalizer
City v Newcastle late offside that led to Edersons injury
Malo Gusto potential red against Fulham
Lutons controversial equalizer
“controversy in the game at st. james’ park, where newcastle players declared a jihad against all other premier league teams, before starting to chop hands off. the referee only deemed it worth of a yellow. what do you think, dermot?”
“well i have to agree with the ref. they used sharp knives, which would have severed the nerve endings very cleanly, minimising the amount of pain felt by the opposition players. it’s a yellow and no more.”
“well i have to agree with the ref. they used sharp knives, which would have severed the nerve endings very cleanly, minimising the amount of pain felt by the opposition players. it’s a yellow and no more.”
It’s nonsense this. It shouldn’t be called refWatch but rather JustifyWatch
if Dermot is watching the Gusto one and it’s Casemiro getting sent for a red, he’s in full support of the decision claiming it’s high dangerous challenge
get this shit off the tele.
if Dermot is watching the Gusto one and it’s Casemiro getting sent for a red, he’s in full support of the decision claiming it’s high dangerous challenge
get this shit off the tele.
Haha…brilliant.
It’s car crash tv this show. We’re now paying ex refs mass amounts of money to be a pundit…a bias pundit that supports his fellow ref at every opportunity.
I might have known he wouldnt think Garnacho should have had a penalty
I didn't think it was a pen in the ground (I thought he just had his hands on his hips) - but looking back at it after, you can see he's actually grabbing him, which makes it a pen - miles more so then whatever Rodri got a pen for against us anyway.
I mean this is nonsense - you haven't seen it a thousand times "never given as a penalty", there's at least 2 instances against us very recently where it was given for even softer challenges. Say you don't think it's a pen - you're wrong, but that's fine - but saying "never a penalty" is genuinely nonsense.
It was, in fact, a pretty clear cut penalty. It wasn't just arms on him - he was being actively yanked back as he was trying to play the ball. How he goes down is absolutely irrelevent, particularly in the age of VAR.
I think what compounds things is that you now have two sets of eyes that CAN influence decisions. How that makes it worse is that with unconscious bias we actually become even more at risk. You get var stepping in for things they just don’t step in for (Casemiro red x2, Rhodri pen, blocking keepers view from offside position, ball not proven to be out of play for a goal, var overriding onfield decision, Subjective offside etc) then not stopping in when they should in our cases (Arsenal pen, Arsenal second goal, multiple pens, blocking keepers view from offside etc)
So now we are getting screwed by refs and screwed doubly by var.
Nothing strange about that. Commentator Neville always does that.
It's not a clear offside. There were 3 of them offside, how is that not clear?
Malo Gusto "slipped", no he lunged.
He's such a tool.
I never realized I needed to be this literal, switch thousands with "hundreds". I find it funny how you'd assume what I have or haven't watched.
I've been sayin I don't think it's a pen, wtf else should I add ? Pen wasn't given in this game so what makes me exactly wrong ? Former players don't think it's a pen. It's a matter of opinion, I won't say you're wrong, just that I don't agree with you
You were incredibly hyperbolic in your initial assessment, in a way that made little sense considering recent events.
I will stand by it. Giving a pen for that would have been generous, not that I would have complained just like I thought the pen given to Rodri was a big joke
But it's not "never a pen", nor have you seen so many instances of it not being given.
Like I said, I think I mistook the caf for a court room where every commas matterBut it's not "never a pen", nor have you seen so many instances of it not being given.
Being disingenuous about it now doesn't really change the initial outlandish claim, but whatever.
Can I ask a question….
because for me without VAR I don’t see that being given…but as we have VAR who can see that there is more than just a hand on a player or a slight tug….he’s literally restraining him and then pulls him back….Do you not think with VAR that absolutely should be given?
Stephen Warnock and Richard Keys both making sense in the same weekend . We are truly fecked
I would still say no for me tbh but I can understand what you're inferring. It's hard to imagine what a true right VAR would be as we have been too used to crazy inconsistencies.
So if you're trying to run to a ball and I physically hold you from behind and keep you from running to it, you don't think that's a foul??
Like I have been saying, a foul anywhere on the pitch outside the penalty box doesn't automatically equals a pen if the same foul is committed inside the box.
Yes it does. A foul is a foul.
I understand what you're getting at, and unfortunately that is often true, however, it is also 100000% wrong. A foul is a foul regardless of where it is. And the foul on Garnacho should have been given regardless of where it happened. That was a stonewall penalty. Had he dropped on his first attempt to run I'd say he was looking for it. But the video clearly shows he is literally held in place and doesn't fall until his 2nd attempt to get away...
Players don't dive outside the box much. Sterling would stay on his feet for example if challenge like the one on Saturday if it wasn't near goal.
Holding at corners is almost never enforced. Similar to the Garnacho holding.
If the laws were actually applied to the letter, corners would be near impossible to defend often.
The sport would be totally different. Probably better but we'll likely never know.
Holding at corners is almost never enforced. Similar to the Garnacho holding.
If the laws were actually applied to the letter, corners would be near impossible to defend often.
The sport would be totally different. Probably better but we'll likely never know.
It wasn't a stonewall though since it wasn't given, the ref didn't think so. Some ex players didn't think so either so there is a room for debate I'd say.
The law is never applied the same way everywhere on the pitch
Whatever you say
You may well be right, but equally, MU may have privately contacted PGMOL and asked for an explanation of certain decisions. Sadly, maybe we need to react like Arteta and Klopp to get anyone to pay attention to our grievances.