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VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion
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Whole thing feels like a laurel and hardy episode, wild game that is amplified by the ridiculous VAR decisions. The people in the panel need more accountability. Refs protected like nothing the league really is becoming a joke.
Its Oliver. He is a biased, inept cnut.
So on the disallowed goal that turned into a pen and red, was that not a subjective offside? Why wasn't Oliver sent to the screen for him to make the determination the player was interfering with the keeper?
Can you imagine being in the stadium? What a fecking farce.
I just can't help feeling like Oliver and VAR ruined a perfectly balanced and an entertaining game of PL football.
Replays at half-time showed keeper had a clear view and was diving before Jackson could even possibly become a visual obstruction. Strange decision.
So he defo should have been sent to the screen to view it himself!
So how do we get rid of this abomination?
The Premier League have published a full article covering the reason for McTominays goal being disallowed last saturday, here is the link for anyone who hasnt seen it
www.premierleague.com/news/3766942
www.premierleague.com/news/3766942
Wait for it....
Should be offside.
Wait for it....
They disallow Garnacho goal against Arsenal but says this is onside. Laughable.
And now it's a goal. This is what football has become...
I genuinely don't think I would've fallen in love with football as I did when I was young if it was like this back then. Var is a fecking shambles. Ruling out Caicedos goal for Jackson marginally being offside, when he is somewhat in the line of the keeper, despite being pretty much at the edge of the box.. honestly it makes me sick seeing shit like that, what the hell are we doing here 
Shouldn't be offside. It is Chelsea player who heads it.
They need semi automated offsides, silly it takes so long when the technology is there
Just a story for kids. We know why it was disallowed.
This is excruciating.
I don't know, I'm Irish and that Henry goal is one of the worst things to happen in my football following life, but this VAR thing is some pile of shit.
If it wasn't allowed for offside it might be tolerable
If it wasn't allowed for offside it might be tolerable
It’s a mess, it ruins the game, the flow of the game, the goal excitement, it’s shit and always will be
From the link
"Former Premier League referee Dermot Gallagher: “‘Subjective offside’ has got to be ruled by the referee"
There was a subjective offside tonight and Michael Oliver wasn't sent to the screen.
Positive. It seems a lot of complaints regarding VAR concern the flow of the game. If AI can make decisions faster, more correct, and with better consistency than humans I struggle to see the downside
That’s what I thought!
Because the offside was called on the pitch and the VAR didn't find that the threshold for it being a clear and obvious error was met, as they need to do in subjective decisions. So the call on the pitch stood, just like every red card review that doesn't end up with the ref going to the monitor because the VAR doesn't recommend an on-field review.
Too many people don't know the rules but keep coming in here to have a moan about stuff.
I haven’t been to a game since VAR was foisted on us. I’d love to hear some opinions from people who pay through the nose to sit in confused silence after every brief moment of excitement in a VAR frenzy like tonight. Must be like watching a different (infinitely shitter) sport.
It's still a subjective decision if he was interfering with the keeper or not. The linesman can't make that determination.
Agree entirely but after a few years people will start to forget what has been lost with VAR, just like the younger generation don't understand how different the footballing landscape was before Ambramovich started the era of superclubs.
No going back now, can only hope they find a way to speed the process up, and automate as much as possible.
It's the worst thing introduced to football in our lifetimes I would think.
But it's here to stay unfortunately.
It was brought in for clear and obvious errors, so they should be pretty quickly to spot. It therefore might be an idea to put a "shot Clock" on VAR and limit it to 45 or 60 seconds or something.
If they can't decide in that time period then it should be deemed not "clear and obvious" and play should just continue.
But it's here to stay unfortunately.
It was brought in for clear and obvious errors, so they should be pretty quickly to spot. It therefore might be an idea to put a "shot Clock" on VAR and limit it to 45 or 60 seconds or something.
If they can't decide in that time period then it should be deemed not "clear and obvious" and play should just continue.
The linesman can do that and did make that determination because he raised his flag and called it offside on the pitch. At that point, because the level of interference is subjective (as opposed to whether the player is offside or nor which is factual) then it is subject to the clear and obvious threshold, so in order for the VAR to send the ref to the screen he has to prove that the Chelsea player clearly and obviously did not impact the goalkeeper, which he didn't.
So where's this "subjective offside" thing when that Caicedo goal was ruled out?
"It's okay Oliver mate, you can just chalk off that goal because we're giving you the chance to give a penalty. Let's wait a few moments more so people will know we're top class referees and take our jobs seriously."
It was still there but the on-field decision was offside and VAR couldn't prove that the call was a clear and obvious error, so didn't need to send the ref to the screen because they did not recommend overturning the decision, just like the numerous times when a ref gives a yellow card, VAR checks for a red card and doesn't deem it clear and obvious, so the ref doesn't go to the monitor.
In our game, on-field call was onside and therefore the VAR felt that not giving offside was a clear and obvious error (because the involvement of Maguire is subjective), so therefore sent the ref to the screen because he recommended overturning the on-field decision
If they thought it was a clear and obvious error in our game why did it take them five minutes if it was that clear and obvious
First time I’ve ever heard the “clear and obvious error” excuse used about an offside call.
Despite playing against nine men for most of the game I still think we were fecked over by VAR 
It’s always been there, just that we haven’t had too many decisions and now they’re coming at us. In these decision, the matter isn’t whether the player was offside or not, but whether the player was active or not. That is a subjective element of the offside ruling where different refs can make different interpretation as opposed to the objective or factual element which is “is player in offside position?”, which isn’t a matter of interpretation and doesn’t require the ref to go to the monitor.
Well that’s a general criticism I can agree with. Last season there was a penalty against Newcastle from a corner where it took the ref 27 replays to decide whether it was clear and obvious.
The bar is definitely the problem there because where do you draw the line between simply “clear” and “clear and obvious”?