It needs this level of review as it is barely a sport.
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It needs this level of review as it is barely a sport.
Having referees who can’t be selected to ref certain teams is blatant manipulation of the competition. This should be a bigger scandal than the initial mistake.
That is what happens when you take a decision against Pool for the first time in 3 seasons.
How many penalties are Liverpool getting this weekend?
It’s systemic. Starting from the very youngest games that need a referee. No respect whatsoever shown to the referees from coaches or parents on the sideline. So the players (as well as fans who play the game) invariably grow up with no respect for them either.
And of course the way the VAR shambles has move the referee criticism from human error to systemic corruption will only make a bad system infinitely worse.
Agreed. In fact, the only saving grace of releasing the audio is that it made it very clear that this was incompetence only. They've erased the singular positive from this this entire episode.
Agree entirely. This is basically either saying they think English made the decision because he was anti Liverpool (which is clearly not the case) or that he’s so incompetent he shouldn’t manage Liverpool again (but the other 19 clubs have to take their chances).
Great point.
Yep should be similar language to what they use in Rugby.
Referee; Is there any reason why I cannot award the goal
VAR: You May Award The Goal
Or
Player is in Offside position the decision is no goal. Free kick to the defending team
There was a goal chalked off last season when the lines were drawn on the wrong player, was this type of response implemented?
I appreciate Liverpool pushing this, as I hope it leads to changes being implemented, but this is getting crazy. PGMOL is cracking with every request, I just hope they provide they same type of response if another club requests the audio to be provided right away, etc.
If they do this for every bad decision. Then there's going to be no referees left to referee anybody, they're setting a stupid precedent, just like they did for that Wolves decision vs Utd.
Demote him and bring someone else up from the football league. There has to be some reasonably decent referees out there.
I've said for a long time that they need to start looking abroad. We have the best players from around the world so why not the best officials?
The other major positive of this is that it would stop any form of bias.
We know that Michael Oliver is a Newcastle fan so how can he be allowed to referee games in the Premier League that may help Newcastle in some way?
Speaking of clubs supported...
https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/whi...r-league-referees-support/bltc5a6db7933177b98
The fact that Oliver can take charge of games involving Newcastles rivals is beyond ridiculous.
There was picture of David Coote's alleged FB suggesting was Man Utd fan last year ahead of the league cup final last year despite him seemingly being a Notts County fan. Didn't stop the ABU conspiracy theorists going into overdrive yet very little said about Oliver by the same people. I mean even now we're still seeing the "hilarious jokes" about Howard Webb and us ffs.
There was picture of David Coote's alleged FB suggesting was Man Utd fan last year ahead of the league cup final last year despite him seemingly being a Notts County fan. Didn't stop the ABU conspiracy theorists going into overdrive yet very little said about Oliver by the same people. I mean even now we're still seeing the "hilarious jokes" about Howard Webb and us ffs.
Yeah, these guys can take a permanent vacation to the desert.
I never like Michael Oliver, he just seems like the sort who never got picked for football, so he decided to become a referee instead to get one over on the lads who pissed him off.
Now that they are well paid professionals, the PL should definitely be looking at setting up a recruitment process for referees across the world.
It's so stupid because sooner or later something is going to happen where he does something wrong in a game that will benefit Newcastle, and it may be a genuine error, but people will soon point this out on social media and it causes a major problem of a conflict of interests.
Ultimately the FA is to blame for the refereeing. The incentive to become a ref isn't there. The job itself is terrible. No one likes you, the job is difficult, there's little support.
They need to start paying more at the lower levels so there's more competition. It feels like the referee's who are at the top level are mostly there because they are physically fit and stuck with it.
They need to start paying more at the lower levels so there's more competition. It feels like the referee's who are at the top level are mostly there because they are physically fit and stuck with it.
Is there a place we can bet on how many controversial VAR decisions will go Liverpool's way for every match going forward? Its an easy bet on at least one such decision for at least the next 5-6 games.
I genuinely think the rest of the season. Sure they've already said the ref won't referee Liverpool again this season
Even the review is stupid. It said they only voted on the second yellow and majority said it shouldn't have been.
It was blatant to me, but the first yellow looked like it wasn't a foul- nonsensically pogmol didn't cover that in their review, just the second one
Reminds me of pogmol review saying that Arse 'goal' last season that got scrubbed for the blatant foul on Eriksen should've stood.
The pogmol review panel is as useless and reactionary as the refs on the pitch- it is the same idiots I guess.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/newly-introduced-var-guidelines-to-be-in-use-in-the-premier-league-this-weekend-after-liverpool-blunder/a914944014.html
Quelle Surprise only moving to something after Liverpool were on the receving end. How predictable
Quelle Surprise only moving to something after Liverpool were on the receving end. How predictable
So predictable that this is the outcome. A very specific change to what is actually a much bigger issue.
The standard and consistency of VAR operations will only improve when they release the audio of all matches after the event so the VAR officials know there is total transparency.
That's a good point.
But one problem is, at least referees in the PL just seem incapable of consistently applying rules throughout the season. If they want respect, then the every time a manager (by that, I mean Klopp) so much as shouts at someone in the reffing team, he gets a straight one match touchline ban. 5 touchline bans in a season equals a season-long touchline ban because clearly no lessons are being learnt. If anyone but the captain approaches the ref to argue a decision at any point, have some consequence.
Of course I'm exaggerating a bit here, but you get the point. Create harsh rules and fecking stick with it. I mean, you shout at a cricket umpire at any serious level, you're in big trouble. So don't just apply rules for the first 5 match days. It's like the refs are back at the beginning of the school year and feel excited about the new rules and very motivated. After a few months they get so sloppy, eventually ending up in shite like the 'Battle of the Bridge' where they think they're enacting some grand masterplan by ignoring rules. A rule's a fecking rule. I mean, this season you can already see them getting lenient on players demanding cards.
Did Wout getting booted by a goalkeeper ever get reviewed like this?
Even the review is stupid. It said they only voted on the second yellow and majority said it shouldn't have been.
It was blatant to me, but the first yellow looked like it wasn't a foul- nonsensically pogmol didn't cover that in their review, just the second one
Reminds me of pogmol review saying that Arse 'goal' last season that got scrubbed for the blatant foul on Eriksen should've stood.
The pogmol review panel is as useless and reactionary as the refs on the pitch- it is the same idiots I guess.
His first yellow was definitely not correct. But even before that, he made a clear yellow-worthy foul. So he was walking a fine line anyway. Plus the way he threw himself into the tackle for the second yellow suggests he was going to get sent off sooner or later. Klopp probably overdid the half-time speech and sent them out raging.
I would love to get back our 9 points that was taken away by some crazy decisions.
The question for this weekend is, will crazy and wierd decisions against us continue?
Pools are now going to go on and win the VAR Cup.
Absolutely it's a stupid system. That's the reason this happened and I'm surprised it hasn't happened before. Perhaps it has!
It should be clear and calm like you hear in rugby 'on-field decision: off-side no goal, can you check please?'
Then the VAR tells him it's onside you can award the goal.
Feckin amateur hour
EDIT: I see they've corrected it now for the weekend but everyone should be able to see and hear what's happening in real-time. That's the only way we'll get true transparency. The onfield ref should be able to see where they're drawing the feckin lines too.
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They can't judge the first one for no good reason so they fudged it and pretended the second one wasnt a yellow
So many rules make no sense at all.
At least the appeal against the clear red for Curtis Jones was rejected, they should have given him an extra game ban though for a frivolous appeal.
I would be interested to see this interview.
I use to talk to a guy from Belgium who worked in football and he expressed the same opinion. He met and spoke to Marc Wilmots a few times, who was their national team's coach from 2012–2016. He was (apparently) very obviously clueless. Stories he heard from pros who were more closely involved with the national team set up only further confirmed this.
It's been a long time since I spoke to that guy so I don't remember all of the details, but Wilmots apparently barely watched football, and would do things like forget which club some of the players in the squad played for, and have to ask assistants what position they played and stuff like that.
Also Phil Neville has managed three teams...
It's actually ridiculous that for being a feck up, he's only barred from games featuring Liverpool. So, the other clubs are considered fair game for an incompetent referee?
It's almost akin to weaponised incompetence. Every knows someone at work who is considered incompetent and excluded from the difficult jobs while the rest have to pick up the slack.
Just be rid of referees who make monumental errors. I'm not talking about subjective 50/50 calls. Actual errors like the Diaz offside, everyone majorly involved has to walk for that.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/so...ed-as-changes-come-into-force/a682721938.html
Final insult
Feck me you really would think they were the first and only team to have been screwed over by VAR/Refs.
The amount of bending over for them this week has been unreal.
Final insult
Feck me you really would think they were the first and only team to have been screwed over by VAR/Refs.
The amount of bending over for them this week has been unreal.
I feel sorry for whomever they are playing next. Referees are going to be falling over backwards to facilitate Liverpool.
While we still have to pay for that Onana penalty.
While we still have to pay for that Onana penalty.