He’s offside but he’s not in the keeper view of the ball not stopping him getting to it since it goes between the two?
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United matches are hardly the only ones played in the world of footba..
Also, you can't list more DEFINITELY wrong than right.
VAR that you cnuts
That is the problem
We aint going to agree on it but that’s okay. That’s why I hate VAR. It’s subjective.
I think it’s far too close from the header to the goal for most of this to apply and that’s because of Hojlund blocking the keeper in a non offside position.
We’ll agree to disagree I suppose.
It's tedious, more than anything. Goal line technology is fine, but all these subjective video reviews are just.. tedious.
The keeper has no way of knowing whether Hojlund will try and play the ball, thus directly impacting his decision making.
Just United ones.
Did the referees admit that it was a mistake? Or did they stand by their decision?
Well VAR should have directly overruled it then. What was the ref asked to look at separately? All that adds to the utter dubiousness
Largely because the officials still don’t understand the standard of a clear and obvious error.
I always try to think how I’d feel if we’d concede that goal, and I reckon we’d all be fuming.
That is not the point, I think. As long as Hojlund does not make a move to attempt to play the ball, he is not interfering with play. He was however interfering with the goalkeeper by standing on him and armwrestling him from an offside position right up to the header..
We had a Man City goal being awarded for almost same thing. Against Fulham.
Funny thing is that todays referee is the same referee that was on VAR that game.
And people say we have same rules as other teams.
Funny thing is that todays referee is the same referee that was on VAR that game.
And people say we have same rules as other teams.
I mean, VAR obviously got that one right. I don't see how there's any debate really.
Because it's still a subjective call, so the referee has to look at it. The fact that there was one blatantly obvious answer to that subjective call doesn't change that.
Pretty sure you can't be ruled offside for any action not happening at the exact time of the pass. Would love for a ref report after each game with the exact wording of critical decisions though.
Yeah I agree. McCoist on commentary said he was blocking the keepers view, but he wasn't when the header was made. The other guy on commentary said it was the contact with the keeper. Which happened before the header.
If it's just for being in such close proximity to the ball then that's about the best explanation, but again, like so many other decisions, I will guarantee we will see one similar that gets given.
Edit: Someone might want to tell Hojlund not to stand there if those are going to get given
But the keeper can see it and can get to it, he just can’t. That’s the two rules officials go by.
It looks offside as hell but I’m struggling to see what criteria this falls under. The ball is past the keeper before he can react.
It’s the closeness of it all that gets me. He isn’t superman, he can’t react that fast
No because the doubt is whether he is interfering with the keeper, not whether he’s in an offside position.
I can’t really believe people are mad about this. It’s the most obvious VAR decision we’ve had all year.
It was the right decision, just need to apply this consistently
Nowadays we need to score more goals than usual because we can be quite certain VaR will rule out at least a goal a game.
I can't see what was wrong with the game. Every team did that to their goalkeepers. De Gea was at the receiving end of such goals very often. None of those were ruled out
I can't see what was wrong with the game. Every team did that to their goalkeepers. De Gea was at the receiving end of such goals very often. None of those were ruled out
If my interpretation is correct the question is really simple: do Hojlund's position and behavior impact the play? Yes - Hojlund's being here definitely influences the keeper. Offside.
The offside offense happens before the ball crosses the line. The goal has never happened, so whether the keeper can save it is irrelevant.
Exactly. All it has demonstrated is that an objectively illegal goal is incredibly rare. Practically all of its calls are still argued over, not just by the fans of the teams watching. I cannot off the top of my head think of any interventions it has made against Henry vs Ireland-esque goals, just 70-30 calls.
I really just don't like var. Some fair overturns, some harsh ones... but just the constant pause and half celebrations... yeah it's killed a lot. Huge shame. Watch a game back before football and you notice such a difference when a goal is scored
I’m sorry but this is incredibly harsh. As soon as Evans heads the ball it’s the keeper pushing Hojlund and the striker moving out of the way. Literally everything before the header doesn’t mean a thing before this decision
https://dubz.co/mc/449f18
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Like a delete function.....ruining the game somewhat.
That is a good point. Before the header, he was not in an offside position. That's actually true and my explanation does not fly..
Wierd that this is same referee as it was for ManCity (sitting in VAR room).
Same referee, same kind of situation. Two different outcome. impressive.
VAR must be gutted not to fabricate a reason to disallow Bruno's brilliant volley.
I`ve been pro var all the time, but i am honestly on the fence. I can`t celebrate goals anymore, i am still waiting for the var room to find something in the build up to Brunos goal. You always have to wait.
All refs (humans) have made and will make mistakes. Two wrongs don't make a right?
I’ll go one further, I think they’ve paused it just as the ball hits Evans head and not when he heads it down and across because he’s looking forward in the paused pic. His head should be titled to the left surely if he’s heading it that way.
Yes, and they were invariably allowed, because De Gea was "weak". Hojlund didn't even touch the keeper there. Its the same as always, one rule for United, a different rule for everyone else.
Agree. But we are always on wrong side of those mistakes.
I don't think anyone has any qualms with tonight's goal being ruled out really.
The annoyance is when it always seems like the referees find the rulebook when it's us on the end of it.
This was deemed as Nketiah not interfering with de Gea's line of vision, because this is normally how a goalkeeper stands as an attacker is taking a shot.
Edit: Seen that it's already been posted.
From a few years ago, but this is what the media do when things go united's way.
There were definitely posters who were adamant that it wasn't an offside offence according to the rules.I don't think anyone has any qualms with tonight's goal being ruled out really.
The annoyance is when it always seems like the referees find the rulebook when it's us on the end of it.
This was deemed as Nketiah not interfering with de Gea's line of vision, because this is normally how a goalkeeper stands as an attacker is taking a shot.
Edit: Seen that it's already been posted.
I do agree that the lack of consistency is an issue and the main reason I'm against VAR - it was introduced to reduce refereeing errors but really hasn't done that at all.