It also looks offside to me. So close. Could case have released it earlier
VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion
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What was the new rules again?
Advantage to attackers? Complete bullshit.
Advantage to attackers? Complete bullshit.
That's usually the case but angry biased fans think otherwise.
The rule is advantage to whichever team is playing United.
From that angle, his shoulder is leading, if you’re parallel his head is in front.
It's his shoulder that is out in front. It's ridiculous that that sort of offside can negate what is really no advantage at all, but those are the rules. I did think they were being more lenient with the lines in situations like that, but apparently not.
Nothing to do with bias. The argument for VAR was never that we could freeze frame screen shots of games and see if someone's pubes had grown long enough in second half and the attacker was a thick, curly one ahead of the last defender.
And it's fecking shit that this is how it's now being applied.
If that’s watched frame by frame you can make it look offside or onside. Why the terrible angle as well?
Those lines are useless. It’s impossible to tell if it’s on or off from this angle.
Mike Dean was sure it was a penalty and that it wouldn't be overturned, but as soon as it was apparent that Taylor would review it, he completely reversed his opinion and said the opposite. Pointless addition to the broadcast.
It was a clear dive, not sure why he's dived either because he's clean through.
Not sure about the offside, but offsides seem cruel when they're that close. The dotted lines are so thick that it makes it impossible to be precise.
It was a clear dive, not sure why he's dived either because he's clean through.
Not sure about the offside, but offsides seem cruel when they're that close. The dotted lines are so thick that it makes it impossible to be precise.
One week they do the next they aren’t. Complete lack of consistency and why I’m slowly getting fed up with high level football.
The offside is fine. You've got to believe the lines but the foul on Evans.
The inaccuracy of being able to judge the precise moment that the ball leaves the supplying player's foot should mean as soon as we're drawing lines, benefit of the doubt should be given.
Potentially being given offside because the technology isn't accurate enough to measure the precside nano second the ball left the foot of the player who put him through is bullshit
Potentially being given offside because the technology isn't accurate enough to measure the precside nano second the ball left the foot of the player who put him through is bullshit
So what was the argument for it? I forgot the "when it comes to offside just let any marginal ones through" exemption.
No-one has mentioned that Evans was blocked twice by Gabriel before their winner.
Stopped him getting out to block it.
Oh well, we played ok in a sort of barely threatening sort of way, lost, and thank goodness we don't play anyone strong away from home in the league for ages.
Stopped him getting out to block it.
Oh well, we played ok in a sort of barely threatening sort of way, lost, and thank goodness we don't play anyone strong away from home in the league for ages.
Those lines and angles are shite. You'd think they'd be improving things year on year
Watch the replay of Garnacho's goal, when the ball was released Gabriel's head was the last body part but they use the frame after and put the lines on Gabriel's shoulder 
I think they did check it but saw nothing amiss.
Knowing what Mike Dean admitted, I feel like there’s question marks over every ref and VAR decision now.
I dunno, thought a potential foul but after watching the replay a few times I think Evans might have fouled the opponent more than the other way. But wtf is Maguire doing with his hand up instead of moving towards the ball or covering the post space?
That seems fair to me. Tight and a gut punch but fair.
If the same situation happened in reverse and the referees allowed it, the same people complaining now would be furious.
VAR doesn't and cannot accurately measure the precise time the supplying player stops touching the ball when making a pass. So in tight, marginal calls like this one, they cannot possibly know with any degree of certainty, which freeze frame is the correct one to use.
They were drawing lines based on guess work, using the frame they 'reckon' captured the moment the leather on the boots of the player who made the pass, stopped having contact with the ball.
Yet we're supposed to laud this fecking "technology"? Moreover fans falling over themselves to declare it a great call. Brilliant.
They were drawing lines based on guess work, using the frame they 'reckon' captured the moment the leather on the boots of the player who made the pass, stopped having contact with the ball.
Yet we're supposed to laud this fecking "technology"? Moreover fans falling over themselves to declare it a great call. Brilliant.
He's not a good defender. I don't really get annoyed at anything he does now because I've accepted he's closer to championship level than champions league level.
Anyone got the straight angle? The one they showed before they checked the angle from behind.
Any replay of the possible Rasmus penalty? Nah, thought not.
Surely his head would be further forward than his shoulder? Is it possible to lean forward and your head not be in front of your shoulder?
100% correct. He should just talk about that. Nothing else.
Why do we have to believe the lines? The sky sports presenters don’t even believe it.
Exactly this. Still can't believe it
If var rule out the penalty for Arsenal shouldn’t the arsenal Player get booked for diving?
Not sure how you come to that conclusion. Evans looks blocked off to me from closing down Rice and then his deflection causes the goal. Without the block that’s not a goal.
His hand is definitely offside there
The hand can be off. It was his shoulder that was off.
This. It should be so easy to clear up. Just show the real angle and it's fine.
Why don't we ever get a bloody side on straight angle on these offsides.
You have to trust the system, but from that angle above you can't really tell is an arm ahead of a head, ahead of the shoulder etc.
It's a mess and will be until they do some sort of Tennis style Hawkeye AI and have every player with a chip .
You have to trust the system, but from that angle above you can't really tell is an arm ahead of a head, ahead of the shoulder etc.
It's a mess and will be until they do some sort of Tennis style Hawkeye AI and have every player with a chip .
Found it after a lengthy search. It's still a tight call with both heads looking even. Seems one of those centimeter calls that the on-field result should arguably stand.
It's a large image so I placed in spoiler tag to not distort the thread.
That's elite defending, you just can't grasp that.
Remember those nights in the 90s when we would stay up all night fretting whether our success was undeserved
'What is it darling, can't sleep?'
"No, it's going round and round in my head: were Andy Cole's eyelashes offside?"
Hours we'd spend desperately trying to upscale the image to a higher resolution. Drawing and redrawing lines. Badgering the ground staff for plans and technical architectural drawings of the stadium so we could make sure we were getting the angles right. It would run our whole season and send us spiralling into a vortex of doubt and shatter our confidence.
Thank feck VAR has ended those days and saved football
'What is it darling, can't sleep?'
"No, it's going round and round in my head: were Andy Cole's eyelashes offside?"
Hours we'd spend desperately trying to upscale the image to a higher resolution. Drawing and redrawing lines. Badgering the ground staff for plans and technical architectural drawings of the stadium so we could make sure we were getting the angles right. It would run our whole season and send us spiralling into a vortex of doubt and shatter our confidence.
Thank feck VAR has ended those days and saved football