He wasn't falling. He was already on the floor. Falling is when you're slipping or tumbling/sliding and it hits your arm. If you're in control of your body (he was clearly in control as he wasn't in motion) then it's a handball.
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He wasn't falling. He was already on the floor. Falling is when you're slipping or tumbling/sliding and it hits your arm. If you're in control of your body (he was clearly in control as he wasn't in motion) then it's a handball.
Studs are facing down if anything?This is why it's a red, you can't fly in with with a stretched leg and studs showing like this even if you get the ball.
It should still be a pen if they fall as well. That’s on them for fecking up. The rule is bollocks.
But here he threw himself down. It’s a joke.
I thought it was a blatant handball. Accidental or not, he prevented Wout getting the ball (illegally) so it should be a penalty.
Unfortunately the Casemiro red was correct. Yes you could argue it wasn't a clear and obvious error by the referee - but hey, any excuse for VAR to stick its nose in, eh? It was a reckless, out of control challenge.
Unfortunately the Casemiro red was correct. Yes you could argue it wasn't a clear and obvious error by the referee - but hey, any excuse for VAR to stick its nose in, eh? It was a reckless, out of control challenge.
Which would be acceptable if the ref looked at both like he did the red.
The fact that somethings the ref is asked to review and some not is pure manipulation, and thats before we get onto how they are shown it.
They made the red look like he didn't even touch the ball.
Edit: ah see the white text ha
This is my point.
Taylor was positioned well. He saw the challenge and he must have seen Casemiro go over the ball and catch him because otherwise he would never have given a yellow.
VAR then get involved and tell him what? Yes he did see the challenge, yes he saw him catch the players shin but he was wrong to give just a yellow?
That is NOT clear and obvious.
The problem with the handball was the decision not to even have VAR check. I could be convinced that it was unintentional or natural. But not that it didn't deserve to be reviewed.
Are you kidding? There's challenges like these every game, it's unfortunate for him his foot bounces off the ball. If a red is bandied for this, might as well tell us to start the game with 10 men.This is why it's a red, you can't fly in with with a stretched leg and studs showing like this even if you get the ball.
Shit referring again from both Taylor and Marriner. Funny seeing our fans justifying it though.
I’m not convinced tbh. I’ve watched it back a few times now.
He’s fallen and his hand is planting on the ground in a natural way you would support your fall. I didn’t think he tried to make himself bigger. He even tries to pull his arm away when the ball hits it.
All it’s and buts but I just don’t see them giving that with that particular rule.
His studs are nowhere near his foot. Are you having a laugh?This is why it's a red, you can't fly in with with a stretched leg and studs showing like this even if you get the ball.
This is my question as well. His foot hits the ball then ricochets into his leg. How is that a red?
Is it gonna be 4 match ban since this is his second straight red card?
Wonder how SAF could absolutely lay into the ref and FA. We really need ETH to do the same. No more sugar coating this nonsense.
Even moreso than the decisions - which were ludicrous - it's nuts that as a sport we're just fine with referees making up injury time in their heads.
Yes and the Southampton player's challenge causes the ball to trap between them and his foot bounces.
It's an accident with no intent and it's not excessive force
He’s not falling though. He’s standing on all fours for an extended time. It’s not very natural to be stood like that unless you’re a cat or other four-legged animal. Last time I checked, Southampton doesn’t have any four-legged animals playing at the back for them.
Never a red, cleanly wins the ball and his foot accidentally rolls over the ball.
That's why we need to hear the conversations and the first question should be hey ref what did you see there? Let them explain what they thought happened first. That's the only way you can then judge well he hasn't seen what happened so it's a clear and obvious mistake
We really need a day when someone walks on the pitch and gives the official a red card for a very poor performance
Good VAR decision for red, shit decision for handball pen. ( only if rules state something else ). Said many years ago, VAR cant be controlled by active refs, it should be made by trained people that have no connection with refs clan, the dynamic between refs can be all sorts.
And then they'll often be criticised for making correct decisions that go in our favour. As we saw after the City game.
Ok, if that is a "clear red" for Case then frankly every fecking match should end with at least one player getting sent off. That tackle was no worse than about ten I've seen this season that were not punished with a dismissal.
Can understand the red card but, Taylor from the off was adamant about giving them everything and us nothing. Southampton player boots ball away in dissent and does nothing.
This is why it's a red, you can't fly in with with a stretched leg and studs showing like this even if you get the ball.
Yes you can show studs playing the ball, he was not endangering the opponent. Another independent event caused him to make contact with the opponent... This is not a red card. And the most ridiculous of it all is VAR intervening and claiming it was a "clear and obvious error" not to send him off.
Yes, you've said it yourself right there. He's FALLEN. Not falling. There is no rules to apply when a player has fallen and is getting back up. It's an interpretation of the rules, which again will differ depending on which ref you get and that's the entire problem.
But i dont think he's in control if that other event cause him to cath their player half way up the shin.
It's almost impossible to get sent off against United while every move by a United player is scrutinized and penalized as harshly as the rules allow. I'm so fecking tired of it.
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This rule shouldn't allow players to fall onto the ball to block goals, passes and shots in the box. Players are going to ground way too easily and now they can fall onto the ball.
How many Caf accounts do Andre Marriner and Taylor have?
This. He was t falling he was on his hands and knees when he handled it and it looked intentional. Penalty all day long
Perhaps it is a red if he came to that decision on his own, I don't think it's clear & obvious.
It was HEAVILY manipulated by VAR to show it in the worst light possible though & I think that's the worst part of this.
It was HEAVILY manipulated by VAR to show it in the worst light possible though & I think that's the worst part of this.
How can Marriner ask Taylor to look for the red and yet in the Chelsea game yesterday he didn't give a single red with a lot more dangerous tackles taking place?
They're dodgy as feck.
They're dodgy as feck.
Wait, Marriner was the VAR ref in the Leicester/Chelsea game?
Alright, that's a bit more dodgy given the challenges in that game.
Ricardo came down with his studs on Felix ankle and it wasn’t even a yellow, possibly because it was in literally the first minute of the game.
Probably plays a major part in him recommending red today. He made a mistake yesterday and won't want to do it again. But that leads to the inconsistencyWait, Marriner was the VAR ref in the Leicester/Chelsea game?
Alright, that's a bit more dodgy given the challenges in that game.
Marriner was the Ref yesterday, Graham Scott was VAR.
Different positions to be fair. Marriner is just a terrible ref, not sure how he's still officiating PL games.
Different positions to be fair. Marriner is just a terrible ref, not sure how he's still officiating PL games.
Clear penalty once again. As usually, nothing to see here.
Just seen it on the replay and deleted the post. Look a certain dive live. But It's either a pen or a yellow for diving if the ref thinks there's no contact.He got kneed by the goalie
Another one where KWP wins the ball but takes out the player recklessly at the same time and nothing is given.