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VAR and Refs | General Discussion
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That's the problem though isn't it
5 penalties conceded in 4 games,with one being chalked off. Zero out of five were 'stonewall penalties', and all were given by the on pitch ref.
Why is it so easy to give decisions against United for these officials. To me this is the biggest problem. As a ref there is zero risk to giving a big call against United.
Why is it so easy to give decisions against United for these officials. To me this is the biggest problem. As a ref there is zero risk to giving a big call against United.
Lee Dixon said it was a bad decision but they're happy enough with the outcome for the underdog narrative and spectacle.
Dixon has basically been a Coventry fan
Until we say something this shit will happen over the over.
Look at Guardiola; he gets decisions and still moans.
Look at Guardiola; he gets decisions and still moans.
Exactly right
Look at today, praised for supporting the underdog. It’s a joke
I mean comparing it to the City one yesterday which was a 1000% more a penalty than that. It just gets brushed under the carpet.
The problem is that giving United the benefit of the doubt or calling in their favour is seen as controversial and worthy of questioning whether a referee should be suspended.
I personally don’t think so
Come on guys that was penalty and even if you have doubts it wasn't by any means clear and obvious error .
It was the non pen against wolves and the media outrage after it. Yes that was the start of the season and yes it's still going on.
Under the rules (of an arm moving towards the body and not towards the ball), it’s debatable.
I think the issue is Grealish is so obviously a penalty and VAR says nothing. It’s the contrast in some decisions and some teams (Kovacic red, Doku kick, offside goals, etc)
They are giving bribes to corrupt referees though. False equivalence.
Honestly I'd be more outraged at this if it weren't for the fact we've been pathetic this game and seemingly desperate to throw it away.
Really? You've already forgotten last weekend when the ball pinballed off someone into the shoulder of a defender and got given a penalty for it then... Then VAR used inconclusive angles to overturn a penalty against you.
I get the irritation about inconsistency but I was just talking about this incident in isolation .
The referee gave a penalty for something that was clearly ridiculous? Thanks for bringing up another example to prove my point.
How were they inconclusive when they easily showed where the foul happened, which was outside the box
Well the issue for me is this clear and obvious crap.
It's either a penalty or not. A third party shouldn't have to decide if they ref made an egregious error or not to make an objective judgement on a handball.
The clear and obvious test is why you get what I consider was a penalty yesterday not given and a non penalty given today. It's an added layer of complexity which leads to inconsistency in decisions.
Handball I think it's fair not to give it given the distance and the third isn't clear from that video
The first one though
that's pure corruption
Exactly. It's also why in our game today things played out the way they did. It's silly because not only do you see inconsistencies over two days but you see them within games that are an hour apart!
Just realised the Grealish one yesterday had Michael fecking Oliver reffing the match.
Seriously how is he allowed to ref City games after being literally on the payroll of their owner?
Seriously how is he allowed to ref City games after being literally on the payroll of their owner?
Said it so many times refereeing is now about creating drama, nothing else. Dixon even said he thought it was wrong but glad VAR didn’t overturn because of the drama. Football has become a joke.
Meanwhile the useless knob that's in charge of the referees is happy because no one wants re-refereeing
The ball hits his hand and so whether its a penalty or not now becomes subjective. Like I said previously I wouldn't expect that to be overturned.
Yeah, they seem more interested in dictating the outcome of game by creating drama than refereeing the games properly.
The word subjective is being thrown out a lot, as if the guidelines for handball are complicated, they aren't.
You'd think the interpretation of handball is like asking women about anal sex.
At least they’re consistent
How did they not give that penalty for us after giving them that one against AWB?
Ball hits his hand. He moved his hand towards himself which happens to also be towards the path of the ball. This case it not a case where imo you can say its clearly not a pen.
Likewise if it wasn’t given I don’t think VAR can give it.
If it's too soft to be given then it should be overturned is my point. The VAR in this incidence is not reviewing the incident that occurred on the pitch, he's making a judgement on the ref's decision which is a nonsense.
I never said its too soft to be given
Games gone
No but you don't seem to be engaging with the point I'm making. Anyway take it easy
It hit his upper arm, not his hand and he's already moving it towards his body before the cross. It's bonkers to give it, especially considering what happened yesterday between Chelsea and City, but with the vast majority of handballs and VAR it's always going to be a case of VAR, in 99% of the time, not overturning a decision.
They have a set of guidelines and a shitload of examples of handballs, it's not complicated. What makes it complicated is that the refs on the pitch makes split second decisions, they have a high pulse, maybe not the best of angles, they make a decision and that's it.
Should have been overturned. VAR needs to bin clear and obvious. It’s not a pen.