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The Gordon penalty is just yet another example of refs getting discombobulated by slow motion. They are assessing slow-motion replays through the same lens as real-time. They’re also breaking up the incidents into micro-movements and then judging each in isolation.

While they’re all ploughing on head-down making these decisions, someone needs to take a step back and realise how insane it is that the game is effectively being redesigned around VAR interpretations.
 
2 cards for 32 fouls. And those cards was not even for fouls.

We on other hand get cards for fun. No wonder some other teams can play without getting their players suspended.
 
Odegaard gets his fair share allowance of bundling players over and committing fouls doesn't he.
 
Gio said:
The Gordon penalty is just yet another example of refs getting discombobulated by slow motion. They are assessing slow-motion replays through the same lens as real-time. They’re also breaking up the incidents into micro-movements and then judging each in isolation.

While they’re all ploughing on head-down making these decisions, someone needs to take a step back and realise how insane it is that the game is effectively being redesigned around VAR interpretations.
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Well put, particularly the bolded bit.
 
Gio said:
The Gordon penalty is just yet another example of refs getting discombobulated by slow motion.
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This wasn't it. This was a case of refs(both on pitch and VAR) haven't only a vague notion of the existence of a sport called football

Why they are officiating Premier League games is the real question/problem
 
That penalty for Chelsea was another pathetic one
 
Withnail said:
C. A piss-take by incompetent officials

How can sticking your leg between a players swinging foot and the ball with no intention of playing the ball ever be considered a foul in your favour? It's madness.
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Absolutely. It would be different if Gordon had moved ahead his body of Philips and was in the process of taking a touch of the ball ahead of him. It was miles away from being close to a penalty.
 
It’s truly bizarre that they all felt that was a penalty, even acknowledging that Gordon was nowhere near the ball. If Phillips had been lining up a shot and Gordon had desperately stuck a leg in the way with no chance of getting the ball, would he have got a foul in his favour in that scenario? It’s just terrible interpretation of the rules.
 
Withnail said:
C. A piss-take by incompetent officials

How can sticking your leg between a players swinging foot and the ball with no intention of playing the ball ever be considered a foul in your favour? It's madness.
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Well as the referee said, he's kicked him, so it's pretty simple.
 
Doracle said:
It’s truly bizarre that they all felt that was a penalty, even acknowledging that Gordon was nowhere near the ball. If Phillips had been lining up a shot and Gordon had desperately stuck a leg in the way with no chance of getting the ball, would he have got a foul in his favour in that scenario? It’s just terrible interpretation of the rules.
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Of course it would be a foul.
 
Hammondo said:
Well as the referee said, he's kicked him, so it's pretty simple.
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Kicking someone and someone putting their leg in front of your swinging leg when you're attempting to kick the ball are two very different things.

Are you suggesting any time an attacker is taking a shot on goal, the defender, who has no hope of reaching the ball, should just stick his leg in front of the attackers swinging leg and bingo, free out?
 
Withnail said:
Kicking someone and someone putting their leg in front of your swinging leg when you're attempting to kick the ball are two very different things.

Are you suggesting any time an attacker is taking a shot on goal, the defender, who has no hope of reaching the ball, should just stick his leg in front of the attackers swinging leg and bingo, free out?
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Yea, putting yourself between the man and the ball.
 
Hammondo said:
Yea, putting yourself between the man and the ball.
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There has to be a limit. Yes you can put yourself there to stop him from attempting to kick the ball, but to blindside him as he's in the process of kicking the ball and potentially injure yourself or the kicker should potentially be considered dangerous play, surely?
 
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Withnail said:
There has to be a limit. Yes you can put yourself there to stop him from attempting to kick the ball, but to blindside him as he's in the process of kicking the ball and potentially injure yourself or the kicker should be considered dangerous play, surely?
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Yes I agree, but I image to the letter of the law, that's how it is. It would be a horrible thing to have to judge.
 
Hammondo said:
Yes I agree, but I image to the letter of the law, that's how it is. It would be a horrible thing to have to judge.
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Letter of the law, maybe but I think they could have used discretion on this one and there wouldn't have been too many complaints. If it becomes a trend I'd say they'll have to do something about it.
 
Withnail said:
C. A piss-take by incompetent officials

How can sticking your leg between a players swinging foot and the ball with no intention of playing the ball ever be considered a foul in your favour? It's madness.
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Gordon comes round the back of him, sticks his leg across as Phillips is kicking the ball. For me that's a foul by Gordon as he's come form behind and fouled the player who is in possession of the ball.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
He should have fell on the ground and clutched his leg and howled. That is the only way that non-United players can get a penalty nowadays.
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No then the racism kicks in. Dirty brown bearded foreigner rolling out. Look at him.
 
B20 said:
This one was utterly ignored by ref and VAR alike against Brighton.

https://x.com/Matthew3028/status/1774774202467319829?s=20
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Because it wasn't a foul, Salah turns into the defender. They used a bad angle on purpose there
Oranges038 said:
Gordon comes round the back of him, sticks his leg across as Phillips is kicking the ball. For me that's a foul by Gordon as he's come form behind and fouled the player who is in possession of the ball.
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Correct
 
giorno said:
Because it wasn't a foul, Salah turns into the defender. They used a bad angle on purpose there

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I don't see how anyone can call that a penalty. Ridiculous decision and even more ridiculously those gowls on sky are willing to backup that decision.
 
Withnail said:
C. A piss-take by incompetent officials

How can sticking your leg between a players swinging foot and the ball with no intention of playing the ball ever be considered a foul in your favour? It's madness.
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Hadn’t seen that until now. Jesus. Awful decision. Gordon fouls Philips, if anything. Swings at the ball, missed it completely, and blocks Philips attempt to play the ball. Free out.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It’s so obviously incorrect it’s actually hilarious. Imagine Philips was a striker taking a shot at goal and Gordon a defender trying to win the ball inside his own box? You couldn’t ask for a more obvious example of a penalty.
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Exactly! The worst part is the ref played on and VAR intervened so obviously they thought this was a 'clear and obvious error'

I just can't cope with some of this shit anymore
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Hadn’t seen that until now. Jesus. Awful decision. Gordon fouls Philips, if anything. Swings at the ball, missed it completely, and blocks Philips attempt to play the ball. Free out.
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It’s worse I think. Gordon knows he isn’t going to get the ball and has no intention of trying to kick it. His sole intention is to get his foot in front of Phillips, so that he blocks him from playing the ball and (hopefully) wins a completely undeserved penalty.

It’s an obvious foul by Gordon if anyone with any intelligence considers it but any sense of ability to properly interpret that sort of incident seems to have gone out the window nowadays.
 
Wonder if Robert Jones will be receiving a foreign officiating gig soon, or if sending off Gordon ended that chance despite two ludicrous penalties given that practically gave Newcastle points?
 
MrMarcello said:
Wonder if Robert Jones will be receiving a foreign officiating gig soon, or if sending off Gordon ended that chance despite two ludicrous penalties given that practically gave Newcastle points?
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Not to defend Robert Jones but David Coote was on VAR, he's possibly the worst referee in the league.
 
The Gordon penalty is such a bizarre one for me. He comes in from behind and desperately swings in a leg, is nowhere near competing for the ball but blocks the path of Phillips playing the ball and thus gets kicked. No idea how it's anything other but a foul the other way.
 
The Gordon style pen has happened before and given. I really don't think a player looking ahead and in the process of passing out of danger can do anything about it. It's a cynical ploy to win a foul/pen.

If a player like Gordon gets there earlier and the defender then pretends to just put his foot through the ball and the player making out he was just clearing it then yes it's a foul and penalty. The timing was such that Gordan is fouling the defender and this type of play should not be rewarded with pens.
 
Just watched some of the highlights from the weekend. That Mudryk penalty that led to the Burnley player and Kompany being sent off was a bad decision. The state of his first and second touch, he's not in control of the ball, defender just uses his body to turn and shield the ball, that donkey throws himself down and gets a penalty for it.
 
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