I wasn’t watching the game and I haven’t come across any videos of the drop ball but it’s been mentioned in several post match reports.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ands-liverpool-victory?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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I wasn’t watching the game and I haven’t come across any videos of the drop ball but it’s been mentioned in several post match reports.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ands-liverpool-victory?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Since that Spurs game Liverpool have been given every single decision. It keeps happening again and again and again yet it’s never called out by the media.
There was a load of people on here talking about it right on the final whistle, as though they’d seen what happened. I was curious if anyone saw it live?
I was watching live but didn't notice it (if it happened) but it was brought up at the final whistle by Shea Given on Premier Sports while footage played of Stephen Reid being carded for arguing with the ref as they left the pitch.
Bad decision but claims of corruption are a bit much.
Paul Tierney giving Liverpool something well call me shocked.
I think Paul Tierney bottles giving Forest an uncontested drop ball in the attacking third. Funnily enough iv seen the exact same situation play out in a non league game I was at recently and the ref made the same decision and gave the ball to the defending GK for the restart. Despite the rules clearly stating the ball should be given back to the team in possession, in both cases the attacking team had possesion in similar areas.
I think the rule needs tweaking for dealing with these sort of situations. Perhaps to also help discourage faking head injuries to stop attacks an attacking corner should be given if the attacking team has possesion when play is stopped in the attacking third.
I think the rule needs tweaking for dealing with these sort of situations. Perhaps to also help discourage faking head injuries to stop attacks an attacking corner should be given if the attacking team has possesion when play is stopped in the attacking third.
He also gave a goal kick when he should have given a corner earlier in the game. This is the level we're at here.
Interesting a referee finally breaks the seeming omertà around the poor decisions, just a shame it happens to be one on the payroll of the affected club.
This season has brought the whole league into disrepute with the multiple referee farces, highlighted and exacerbated by the technology that was supposed to fix them. Not to mention the financial issues of several members and the complete lack of discourse around the 115 charges. The Premier League looks amateur.
This season has brought the whole league into disrepute with the multiple referee farces, highlighted and exacerbated by the technology that was supposed to fix them. Not to mention the financial issues of several members and the complete lack of discourse around the 115 charges. The Premier League looks amateur.
Not really. That can be because they haven’t clearly seen the last touch. What’s the excuse for that?
I only caught the highlights, but I thought the ref just gave a free kick for Liverpool because he mistakenly thought their defender got fouled by a Forest player. The whole sequence seemed a bit confusing. Nothing blatant like some of the other decisions that lot usually get.
Tierney missing the high boot by Yates which was a borderline red card is as worrying as the drop ball decision.
He did the same thing when a forest player went down earlier in the game and gave the ball to them.
Amazed that sky are admitting that they cheated, genuinely.
Incompetence is not an excuse.
Yes that’s exactly the same. That’s why every single media outlet are running with it.
Surely you understand the difference between missing something and actually seeing something but either a) not knowing the rules or b) knowingly applying the rule incorrectly?
I’m surprised I’m having to explain this
They are running with it because they love a talking point. If it had happened in the 20th minute and no goal a minute later, there'd be no talking point.
You're right. The refs are shite. We know this.
But in this particular instance, I think two wrongs ended up making a right. It should've been a free kick for Liverpool anyway.
I'd be fuming if exactly the same thing happened to us with Martinez instead of Konate.
Absolutely. Tierney isn't a good ref at all.
But short of expecting them to be competent, incompetence that balances out is the best alternative.
Two wrongs do not make a right. And the last wrong was a potential title decider.
They should have got a free kick because Kelleher took out Konate?
What two things?
There's a forest player (no. 22 I think) flying in with a high boot. That's what I meant.
Is going for the ball and doesn't really make any contact with anyone, that's never a foul.
But, if that's the bar for a foul, then the Liverpool equalizer should have been chalked off for VVD's usual rugby tackle in the box.
Yet you still can’t acknowledge the difference between missing something and applying the rules incorrectly?
It is pretty simple really. You moan about refs, make a scandal and you will get decisions. Klopp always does it early in the season. After Spurs game he and Liverpool called out refs and FA, made a huge, huge story about that situation and now they enjoy in decisions.
Since he attacked Tierney and said in public that "Tierney doesn't love him", Tierney didn't do a single mistake against Pool.
That is the way. Not like Erik does it; "I don't comment a refs, they have a tough job".
To be brutally honest if Ten Hag did it the media would have a sh*tfit and he'd get a ban
Raised, going for the ball… we’d have a lot of free kicks for that?
The video from behind the goal/RH touchline shows him not touching anyone (I know that’s not the only reason to give/not give a free kick) and Kelleher taking out Konate…. who seemed ok to look up at what was happening.
It’s either a FK (which he didn’t give) or a drop ball to Forest. Based on what journos/ex refs have said
Obviously there's a difference. They both point to bad refereeing by Tierney (and the VAR team) in two different respects. And the latter is worse, I can't argue that. He also misapplied that rule earlier in the game, so he's clearly a bad ref.
Materially, it was lucky that poor decisions balanced themselves out over the course of the game. As I said, you want competence. But balanced incompetence is at least the next best option.
His foot was head height of a jumping Konate and Kelleher. It's textbook dangerous play and it should have been foul and a potential red card even missing contact.
The refereeing team messed up by not reviewing that with VAR and then they messed up the drop ball rule. Luckily those decisions balanced out.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on how normal this situation is. I don't think this happens as often in a match as you suggest. The forest player flies in with the boot right at the heads of a bunch of players.
If the ref called that, we wouldn't have given it a second look. He fecked that up and then fecked it up again with the restart.
Jesus. You lot are hard work. It’s okay to acknowledge it was a terrible decision and it went in your favour without making false equivalences.
You’d get more respect that way.
Paul Tierney should be allowed near a ref's whistle again like I should be allowed near the nuclear codes! And clearly the guy working VAR for the Forest game had popped out for a piss!
VAR did look at it, they check everything as the game goes (and replays), they tell the ref if they think he missed something.
They checked this one even more because they looked to see if it was a penalty.
So the ref, linesman and VAR all made a decision. Not foul play, not a pen, so move on…
…. head injury, blow the whistle, drop the ball to last team, who has it (as outside the box), per the laws. A black and white law, not a discretionary one
PS.
If the argument is “something else happened first, so the drop ball is irrelevant”, then presumably that applies to the foul before it because… that happened first?
But VAR looked at that (looks a foul to me) and didnt give it. They looked at the Forest player challenge and didn’t give it (because the view from the other side shows Kelleher hitting Konate).
So we either go with ref/VAR on all discretionary laws and expect them to follow black and white laws OR we’re picking and choosing which laws should be applied and which situation to go back to (regardless of ref/linesman/VAR saying otherwise) which seems to be really one sided. “I want the ref to make my decisions and go back to the event that I think is important. And I want him to ignore non discretionary laws”
So we’re happy the ref/VAR got the penalty call wrong (event 1) but glad they mucked up a non discretionary law (event 3) because I think they mucked up event 2?
