VAR and Refs | General Discussion

As naive as it might sound I’m waiting for the media backlash…If United had won that game after being given BOTH of those penalties the coverage would be off the charts.

The weird thing is that managers play on it as well, when it’s a United call. Nottingham Forrest lodged an appeal and spoke about ‘United getting decisions at OT’ for a perfectly legitimate sending off…had it been the other way around and it not been given they’d have been going mad also!

It’s pretty quiet about Liverpool.
 
We literally had Howard Webb on the telly a few months ago saying that the penalty that VAR confirmed for Newcastle against Wolves was wrongly awarded because the Wolves played pulled out and the contact that did occur didn't cause the fall from Schär. And now we have people on here saying that a player being slightly nudged but not enough to prevent him from taking another two steps before going "nah I'll just go down because he touched me two steps ago" is a fall caused by the contact that occurred and not a dive?

To those thinking it's a penalty, how many steps would you allow Jota to take before agreeing that he's chosen to go down and hasn't gone down as a consequence of the contact? If Jota had kept running and ran an entire lap around the pitch, could he have gone down afterwards and claimed a penalty? Could he have run to the corner flag before going down? I mean there was contact way back there so surely he doesn't have any responsibility to stay on his feet if there's any form of slight contact?
 
B20 said:
Because really a penalty that does not impact the the final outcome should not be the talking point in one of the most one-sided games in PL history that somehow ended up 4-2.
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Excuse me, are we now re-writing history as well as gas lighting everyone?

How does a penalty given at 3-2 when Newcastle had just got back into it not potentially impact the outcome of the game??
 
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this clip shows how his foot is thrown off balance and lands after being clipped

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If you watch that clip and see it as evidence that he didn't dive, then I really really really want to criticise the poster. His left foot is planted and is just coming up as Dubravka nudges it. He then keeps running, plants his right foot, then plants his left foot and goes down.
 
Anustart89 said:
If you watch that clip and see it as evidence that he didn't dive, then I really really really want to criticise the poster. His left foot is planted and is just coming up as Dubravka nudges it. He then keeps running, plants his right foot, then plants his left foot and goes down.
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Look at his right foot! That's the smoking gun. He easily could have planted his right foot a stride after the contact but, instead, folded it up beneath him. For no reason other than to fling himself on the ground.
 
How can Liverpool fans honestly say tgat 2nd pen was a pen because of the minor contact? When Marcus Rashford was barged over for the penalty against Forest at home the Liverpool fans were claiming it shouldnt have been a penalty because there wasnt enough contact for him to go down and they still complain about it now.
 


Since Liverpool fans are very keen on there is contact so it’s a penalty argument, I assume they think that this should have been one too
 
B20 said:
this clip shows how his foot is thrown off balance and lands after being clipped

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To be honest, I saw the clip without sound, and thought it was a discussion about wether he was on a yellow and VAR should intervene to get him sent off. I actually think not giving a yellow on that qualifies as a clear and obvious error, so the outrage made sense to me.

Winding up people aside, This is exactly the kind of situation that makes people debunk VAR as a fraudulent idea. If a ref had given a pen for that back in the day, I’d be seething at that moment of errtic refereeing. Seeing the clip ten times and then having a ref conclude that it is a penalty, that leaves me just despondent, that’s hard to explain as anything other than either complete incompetence or outright corruption. It doesn’t help the ref’s, nor the faith in the fairness of the game.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
How can Liverpool fans honestly say tgat 2nd pen was a pen because of the minor contact? When Marcus Rashford was barged over for the penalty against Forest at home the Liverpool fans were claiming it shouldnt have been a penalty because there wasnt enough contact for him to go down and they still complain about it now.
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To me football would be better off by not giving a "free goal" for any of them. I don't even mind Oedegaards handball or the Diaz one not to be given, as long as there is as much consistency as possible. In my opinion the bar is waaay to low for pens (and red cards) atm and there should be an alternative punishment for what's deemed minor infractions without taking clear goalscoring opportunities away from the attacking team.

I do however find it somewhat funny that there is an outrage for Jotas pen when some of the same persons constantly lives in this thread arguing for a "stonewaller" every single time United have a marginal spot, even adding probable wins to the balance when the spot happened after 7 mins.
"Diaz is NEVER a pen, but Hojlund vs Arsenal and Rashford vs Forest are stonewallers".
It is obviously understandable on a United forum, but some consistancy in peoples minds would be preferable for the sake of a healthy discussion around the actual spots/var/refs. The badge on the shirt is noise in that regard.
 
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If United got a peno like that there would be an absolute meltdown in the media but it's those cheeky loveable Scouse scamps so it's *crickets* for the most part.

When you think of the media meltdown in the aftermath of the Wolves game at the start of the season and that was an offence you see on a weekly basis where nothing is given
 
Fr. Todd Unctious said:
If United got a peno like that there would be an absolute meltdown in the media but it's those cheeky loveable Scouse scamps so it's *crickets* for the most part.

When you think of the media meltdown in the aftermath of the Wolves game at the start of the season and that was an offence you see on a weekly basis where nothing is given
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The BBC headline this morning sums up everything with media love in of klopp and Liverpool.

Liverpool playing like champions. I watched the game and genuinely didn't think they were particularly good. Would probably have just about won without pen. But Newcastle could have gotten a result without the 'penalty' they've more than made up for the horrendous offside.

Even on how bad that call was. I still think garnacho against arsenal was onside. As such even a marginal going against you as opposed to a clear onside. Both decisions equal the same wrong decision. But nothing mentioned of ours as usual
 
Ayush_reddevil said:


Since Liverpool fans are very keen on there is contact so it’s a penalty argument, I assume they think that this should have been one too
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That was right before Liverpool got their second goal too. No review mentioned on TV either, looked a penalty in real time. Then when you see the two Liverpool got in the same game, it's actually ridiculous that the same referees didn't see that as one too.
 
There's a very simple solution to VAR. Mic up referee's and remove Stockley Park. Encourage referee's to use monitors at the side of the pitch alongside the fourth official for consultation when they aren't sure or didn't see something (penalties, red cards etc.). The game needs the technology. It's almost as though everyone thinks refereeing was wonderful in England before VAR. Some ridiculous decisions have been made over the years due to poor refereeing and no technology to help come to the correct conclusion.

Implementation is the problem, not the technology which seems to work perfectly well in every other sport it's used in.
 
Klopper76 said:
There's a very simple solution to VAR. Mic up referee's and remove Stockley Park. Encourage referee's to use monitors at the side of the pitch alongside the fourth official for consultation when they aren't sure or didn't see something (penalties, red cards etc.). The game needs the technology. It's almost as though everyone thinks refereeing was wonderful in England before VAR. Some ridiculous decisions have been made over the years due to poor refereeing and no technology to help come to the correct conclusion.

Implementation is the problem, not the technology which seems to work perfectly well in every other sport it's used in.
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I agree with this. Most of the problems with VAR (I say at this point, only to be proven wrong at a later date...) come from the fact that there's another referee who is under specific instruction to not undermine his mate on the pitch, which they can choose to ignore if they feel like it with little to no consequence.

If you give the decision as to whether the call should be overturned solely on the guy who made the initial call, and give the decision as to whether the ref should check something a second time into the hands of the team on the end of the decision, then that would solve the wronged team's sense of injustice, and it would remove the high bar necessary for overturning a decision.
 
VAR having so many screaming pen for the most innocuous contact is probably the most irritating thing about it. Shit that would never have been considered in the past now can look a pen if you go to super slo-mo and fixate on a tiny contact. Also helps if you are totally convinced that the world has an agenda against your club, which so many fall into.
 
Gio said:
Could be worse. Your VAR could think this isn't a handball:

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That looks so blatant and intentional that is actually makes me wonder if he was trying to push the player rather than slap the ball because he couldn't possibly think he could get away with it in a VAR world. Bizaare, when you think of some of the incredibly weak pens we have seen, especially in European games, with defenders having the ball smashed at them from point blank range and being expected to have no arms, and then that is not given. Mess.
 
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Eugh DCL's red card. Barely touches Clyne, very little force. It's studs and the leg is high but I don't see how it's dangerous.
 
Clean tackle, got the ball, referee on the field didn't even give a foul, no opposition players even appealed for anything... VAR stops play a minute later to give him a straight red card.

The muppets running VAR continue to astound every week.
 
Craig Pawson is the VAR. The most incompetent ref by a country mile
 
I am sick to death of the spineless bunch of idiots we have as referees in England. Cowardly bastards.

Each week, no actually multiple times a week, we end up discussing decisions which in my opinion are made incorrectly as the bunch of ‘professionals’, being paid quite the Kings ransom I might add, are scared of their own shadows.

Shower of lazy, inept, cowardly pieces of shit.
 
Can they just ditch the ref going over to the monitor thing, complete waste of time.
 
The only reason I can see he might give a red (and I disagree if that was why) was around 45 seconds, there’s an angle where DCLs boot doesn’t get the ball, maybe nicks the player (who seems to dive) and the ref deems that dangerous.

I get you can raise your studs and it be deemed dangerous play without contact (in theory) but that’d have to be head height style stuff and not this one.

https://x.com/nocontextfm1/status/1743027025680511311?s=61&t=ZvGzfV2Qafn11jKrPfufuA
 
Definitely the worst red card decision of the VAR era. Makes Casemiro's look like a leg breaker.
 
Embarrassing. That is as bad a decision as you’ll ever see. Atrocious.
 
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