It's not really a transfer strategy that's geared to win things. It's a transfer strategy that's geared to leaving you in reasonable financial shape. It's not a bad aim in itself, but Spurs are 3, possibly more, years away from being able to take the risk of bad transfers in order to get great players to build a great team.
Van Der Vaart On The Move
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It's not really a transfer strategy that's geared to win things. It's a transfer strategy that's geared to leaving you in reasonable financial shape. It's not a bad aim in itself, but Spurs are 3, possibly more, years away from being able to take the risk of bad transfers in order to get great players to build a great team.
Doesn't matter that much if Bale were to want to leave. We got 30.25m for Berbatov, aged 8 years older than Bale and with much less time left on his contract.
As I say, the price would be whatever Spurs say it is: take it or leave it. Levy would be quite ready to walk away otherwise.
It's probably reasonable to think that with the competition from United, Chelsea, Arsenal and lately City - not to mention all the top European sides - Tottenham are not going to win any significant trophy in the next few years. They will possibly remain a good but not great side for a few more years though.
Agreed about all except for Arsenal. Arsenal are lacking defence and goalkeeping and until those are addressed they win anything. Plus, with Fabregas more than likely leaving next season, it makes it even harder for them to challenge. I expect the last stop in the top 4 to be a battle between arsenal, spurs and maybe liverpool.
I think that they are more likely to improve to the extent that they will be able to compete for the title than Tottenham. Then again, so are Liverpool in my opinion because they are a more attractive club - if they can get new owners, they will surpass Tottenham.
I think VDV is a great signing for Spurs, the only player i think they have who is on his level is Modric.
Rafael van der Vaart 'only using Spurs to get Manchester United transfer'
Rafael van der Vaart only agreed to join Spurs because he believes it will lead to a transfer to Manchester United, a source close to Real Madrid has been quoted as saying.
The Dutch international completed a surprise £8million move to White Hart Lane as the clock struck 6pm on transfer deadline day.
Tottenham fans are understandably jubilant over the high-profile coup but they have been warned not to read too much into Van der Vaart's choice of club.
A Real Madrid insider is claiming the 27-year-old only believes Spurs are his best option because playing for them is the best way to earn an onward move to Old Trafford.
The claims, reported by some sections of the Spanish press this week, are supported by comments made by Van der Vaart in August when he said: "I could never play for another club in Spain.
"And if you are leaving Real Madrid there is only one club you can join that is not a step down - that's Manchester United."
Two of Spurs' most important players of recent seasons have made the move from north London to join up with Sir Alex Ferguson - namely England midfielder Michael Carrick and star striker Dimitar Berbatov - for a combined transfer fee of more than £45million.
Rumours also circulated in recent months that current stars Luka Modric and Gareth Bale could be tempted to quit Tottenham for the lure of the Theatre of Dreams.
However, after securing qualification for the Champions League, both players committed their immediate futures to their current club.
The source also claims Real bosses are furious with Harry Redknapp, after the Tottenham manager suggested he got the player for less than half price.
Redknapp said on Tuesday evening he was only able to move for Van der Vaart after an £18m bid from Bayern Munich fell through at the last minute and chairman Daniel Levy called to say he'd been offered the player for £8m.
However, Madrid's money men say this is not true - claiming Bayern never agreed a fee for the playmaker and their valuation of Van der Vaart was not compromised by his late move to north London.
Rumours of a desperation sale of a popular member of the squad has already caused some unrest among the Bernabeu faithful, with Real chiefs concerned the speculation could already be turning sections of the fanbase against their expensively-acquired new coach Jose Mourinho.
Rafael van der Vaart 'only using Spurs to get Manchester United transfer' | Metro.co.uk
Rafael van der Vaart only agreed to join Spurs because he believes it will lead to a transfer to Manchester United, a source close to Real Madrid has been quoted as saying.
The Dutch international completed a surprise £8million move to White Hart Lane as the clock struck 6pm on transfer deadline day.
Tottenham fans are understandably jubilant over the high-profile coup but they have been warned not to read too much into Van der Vaart's choice of club.
A Real Madrid insider is claiming the 27-year-old only believes Spurs are his best option because playing for them is the best way to earn an onward move to Old Trafford.
The claims, reported by some sections of the Spanish press this week, are supported by comments made by Van der Vaart in August when he said: "I could never play for another club in Spain.
"And if you are leaving Real Madrid there is only one club you can join that is not a step down - that's Manchester United."
Two of Spurs' most important players of recent seasons have made the move from north London to join up with Sir Alex Ferguson - namely England midfielder Michael Carrick and star striker Dimitar Berbatov - for a combined transfer fee of more than £45million.
Rumours also circulated in recent months that current stars Luka Modric and Gareth Bale could be tempted to quit Tottenham for the lure of the Theatre of Dreams.
However, after securing qualification for the Champions League, both players committed their immediate futures to their current club.
The source also claims Real bosses are furious with Harry Redknapp, after the Tottenham manager suggested he got the player for less than half price.
Redknapp said on Tuesday evening he was only able to move for Van der Vaart after an £18m bid from Bayern Munich fell through at the last minute and chairman Daniel Levy called to say he'd been offered the player for £8m.
However, Madrid's money men say this is not true - claiming Bayern never agreed a fee for the playmaker and their valuation of Van der Vaart was not compromised by his late move to north London.
Rumours of a desperation sale of a popular member of the squad has already caused some unrest among the Bernabeu faithful, with Real chiefs concerned the speculation could already be turning sections of the fanbase against their expensively-acquired new coach Jose Mourinho.
Rafael van der Vaart 'only using Spurs to get Manchester United transfer' | Metro.co.uk
Bale can obviously force a move if he wants. All players can. It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. And if he wants to leave, Spurs will drop their asking price.
What is Spurs valuation of Bale?
Dumb quote of the year.
That is the sort of thing Liverpool were saying about Mascherano.
I didn't say Bale couldn't force a move, so please don't put words in my mouth.
But even if he did want to leave, he could only force it through IF Spurs got a massive pay-off - just as happened with Berbatov. Berbatov virtually went on strike and had far less time remaining on his contract than Bale. That didn't stop Levy refusing to sell until the 11th hour, when 30.25m was finally offered and accepted for a player who was, at the time, 6 years older than Bale is now.
I say again, for a club that doesn't want to sell and doesn't need the cash, the price would be whatever Spurs say it is, take it or leave it. And you can bet your bottom dollar that the price would be massive.
I've heard all this bollocks about price on here before ... if I could be bothered I'd dig out some quotes from various posters on what they'd have to pay to get Berbatov, including all the flak I got for saying that the price would be well north of the sublimely optimistic figures beng bandied around. I may be wrong, but I'm not sure there was even a single poster who thought the price would be anywhere close to 30m+
It'd be just the same for Bale, except this time you could forget any bids that didn't start at well over 30m and proceed rapidly northwards from there. Don't think he's worth it? Fine. you don't have to think he's worth it: what you might think he's worth and what you'd have to pay to get him are two entirely different things ... and a lot of Caftards seem unable to grasp this reality.
How long did Mascherano have left on his contract? How big are Liverpool's debts? How badly do Liverpool's owners want cash? How good at negotiating is their chairman compared to Levy? Are Liverpool in the CL this year?
I'll tell you what's dumb: ignoring the hugely different factors that apply to Spurs and Bale as compared to Mascherano and Liverpool.
There isn't one currently, because we've no need to set one.
To be fair, all of that makes sense.
Bale would command a big fee IMO. He is that good. And then there's the whole British tag added on.
Only reason Bale would leave Spurs if they fail to qualify for both CL and Europa this season... Unlikely though...
How did Spurs not sell Pavluchenkshit anyway ? Poorest FWD for 16m's that I've seen in a while, he's misses were absurd and I wouldn't play him in the Championship...
Keane didn't move, you have Defoe Crouch looking to start to be an England regular, it's going to be pretty hard to settle them in... Especially if we're looking at the youth perspective as most of those strikers mentioned are pretty old... Got anyone in the reserves who'd make a game for Spurs ?
How did Spurs not sell Pavluchenkshit anyway ? Poorest FWD for 16m's that I've seen in a while, he's misses were absurd and I wouldn't play him in the Championship...
Keane didn't move, you have Defoe Crouch looking to start to be an England regular, it's going to be pretty hard to settle them in... Especially if we're looking at the youth perspective as most of those strikers mentioned are pretty old... Got anyone in the reserves who'd make a game for Spurs ?
Have to agree with Glaston Spur on this one, no one is gonna get Bale on the cheap considering his age, plus Spurs are not in desperate need of cash. I wish we had signed Levy on to be our transfer negotiator.
What makes Levy such a great negotiator?
What makes Mascherano relevant is if the player wants away then the selling club is in too difficult a negotiating position to play hardball. Take Fabregas for example, if he had said this summer he wanted out to Barcelona in what position would Arsenal have been in to maximise the cost of the sale? Fabregas has a very long contract, Arsenal are in a healthy financial position and do not need the money yet what does that mean when a player is unmotivated? You say you would get far in excess of £25million for Bale yet Fabregas is not a young promising player with potential, he is a young world class midfielder known the world over as opposed to a left back unknown outside of our borders yet the offer for him was £33million.
That is before you consider it would take far more pulling power to get someone like Fabregas to leave a club like Arsenal than it would to get Bale to leave Tottenham.
TBH if we are still interested in Bale we might as well let him improve at Spurs with regular 1st team action and purchase something closure to the finished article.
Hopefully one of our own youngsters will step up to the plate, and we won't need to splash more cash to spurs.
To enhance the league i wouldn't mind spurs keeping such players, signing a half decent defence and challenging.
Hopefully one of our own youngsters will step up to the plate, and we won't need to splash more cash to spurs.
To enhance the league i wouldn't mind spurs keeping such players, signing a half decent defence and challenging.
Not if Fergie wants him.
Great news for Spurs about Van Der Vaart. Spurs are always good too watch and they have some really exciting players in the team now.
I really want us to buy Bale next season though. If he continues his progression...
How much did they pay?
EDIT: For £8M yet another player we could have bought to boost our squad for a very reasonable price.
EDIT: For £8M yet another player we could have bought to boost our squad for a very reasonable price.
Yes. The same reason Inter bought Sneijder on the cheap.
Now it depends on them ditching playing with two strikers.
I don't even know why there's an argument. Bale is happy at Spurs and has just signed a new deal hasn't he?
I don't think he'll be going anywhere any time soon, and if he does, it won't be to us.
I don't think he'll be going anywhere any time soon, and if he does, it won't be to us.
Pav was 14,. not 16m, and I don't agree that he's "shit".
Sure, ideally we need a top-notch new striker, maybe two. But it's not always possible to get what you want when you want it, as Spurs have found this summer, unless you are prepared to spend silly money. And Spurs don't have so much spare cash that they can risk being silly with it.
Defoe, Crouch, Pav, Keane: that's not so bad. Add in VdV who can play 2nd striker, as can dos Santos, and I expect we'll do alright.
There's no one in the reserves yet ready to step into the first team.
I think Levy's track record as a negotiator speaks for itself, in many deals for players both in and out.
Your comments about Mascherano completely ignore everything I've said about what happened with Berbatov - and most of everything I've said about the situation with Mascherano at Liverpool compared to Spurs and Bale.
Fabregas? The offer for him may have been 33m if you say so, but so what? There's a big difference between a mere offer and an offer that's actually accepted,
Not really. Rafael van der Vaart is comfortable as a second forward.
They didn't for Berbatov so why would they for Bale?
I like the way your defending your team but hey... Pavlushite is shit... Finishing wise he is totally awful, I'd reckon Terry could be a better striker...
I've watched him again and again, he might contribute but finishing wise he's not meant to be a striker.
I've never seen a striker missing as many sitters as Pav... I'm sorry.
Bale wouldn't cost much more than £25m, he'd probably not even cost that much. Not in the real world. He wouldn't get a place at a team like Barcelona or Madrid, only British teams will be interested in him and only City out of all these team is capable of paying more than £25m for a player.
In a day when Milner can go for 25m so can Bale.
Not if he has a ''Sneidjer at Inter'' kind of year....
Exactly. After all we did pay 7m for an unknown in this market.
Yes very true.
It's impossible for us (football fans) to know precisely how much players should cost in an ever changing market.By changing I mean that prices for players are generally a lot higher than before
Pavlyuchenko is decent, he's far from shit.
& sometimes like in the case of the Snejder's and van Der Vaart, you try your luck and end up getting a very good player on the cheap. The way we bagged Cantona all those years ago.
fingers crossed it's Bebe
I think he could cost £25m, I said I wasn't sure that he would. Milner went to City and you know they tend to overpay. He could even cost more than £25m but in no way it'd be much more like GlastonSpur suggested, just slightly more at best.
Everytime I've seen him, he misses the sitters that cost Spurs points, how is that not shit, he just cannot direct the ball goalwards everytime i saw him and I do watch a fair share of Spurs football...
Certainly not top 4 material... I consider him a total flop...
What can he do other than hold up the ball ? Enlighten me and show me he is worth starting for Spurs and the CL...
Not that I judge a player by just missing 1 sitter or something, but he misses them all and the ball ends up no where near the goal posts...
He was being quoted at 20-25m to basically everyone willing to listen. City were willing to pay while others weren't. He'd still have gone for 20m if another club had made a move and City hadn't. That's the current climate in this market when a 10-12m player costs double.