It's astonishing how people are still struggling to understand this. The amount of people I've heard say "Oh we're alright, we've had both our vaccines". They act like they're invincible from it.
Vaccination of Squad
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If this is true we are going to see a lot of squad disruptions this season with players isolating.
Surely it's just a case of having the club doctors sit the team down and give them the facts, answering any questions, and then mandating vaccination. There's no divine or contractual right to be picked in the squad.
They also substantially reduce transmission - hence the importance of getting as many people vaccinated as possible.
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Wrong. It hugely reduces the probability of catching Covid, and also of passing it on.
What, did you think vaccines are normally 100% effective? They never are. So what? You think 88% effective isn't good enough to bother?
The misinformation you see on social media is depressing. NHS ads on Facebook for example are plagued by laughing emoji reacts and braindead comments along the line of "it's all fake/medical trials/fascist"...
Agree. There’s a lot of similar stuff appearing here unfortunately.
Any of our players out with Covid and unvaccinated should not be paid for as long as they are out. They can get by on SSP.
God it's so good spotting which posters that you just assumed were the same generic 30 year old male are actually Facebook mums
This is a mad thread. I just don't get into these conversations in real life so very entertaining, I'm sure it is very wearing if you are constantly in these conversations though
This is a mad thread. I just don't get into these conversations in real life so very entertaining, I'm sure it is very wearing if you are constantly in these conversations though
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I think that' mostly based on how long the virus stays in your system should you have the vaccine. Therefore it reduces the probability of passing it on as it doesn't stay alive for long inside you. I think I remember it being like a day or so if you have the vaccine (with no or very little symptoms of course).
Maybe I'm an extremist, but I would ban any player who refuses to get vaccinated aside from a medical/religious reason. Even if it's detrimental to the team. Some things are more important than football.
Also, all you anti-vaxx feckers in this thread are selfish pieces of shit. I've admitted countless Covid patients to the ICU over the past month and they are all anti-vaxxers.... typically denying science when it's convenient for them but disastrous for society, but demanding society's help when they need it.
Also, all you anti-vaxx feckers in this thread are selfish pieces of shit. I've admitted countless Covid patients to the ICU over the past month and they are all anti-vaxxers.... typically denying science when it's convenient for them but disastrous for society, but demanding society's help when they need it.
For the US, here are some statistics.
Percent of Total Population that has Received a COVID-19 Vaccine Dose by Race/Ethnicity, Selected States, August 2, 2021
White: 49%
Black: 38%
Hispanic: 43%
Asian: 66%
Source:
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-cov...data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/
Percent of Total Population that has Received a COVID-19 Vaccine Dose by Race/Ethnicity, Selected States, August 2, 2021
White: 49%
Black: 38%
Hispanic: 43%
Asian: 66%
Source:
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-cov...data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/
Agreed except for the bolded bit. Religion has done enough to destroy us as a species over the centuries. About time we stopped that, now.
So cos of Covid we stop religion, what about vegans who claim it’s against there beliefs do we force jab them too? Feels like democracy is a thing of the past and it’s survival of the fittest….!
Are there any religions that would prohibit a vaccination?
Religion was explicitly brought up so I commented on it. I will be clear: Unless taking the vaccine puts you physically at risk due to a health condition you should be compelled to take it. I don't care if you are vegan, Catholic, believe you are a bird, or any other shit. Take. The. Vaccine. A decent chink of the population has proven, repeatedly, that they are selfish children and should be treated as such.
Some of my fellow Catholics believe that the potential for the vaccine to be grown in aborted fetal cells means it should not be taken. This, and the weaponizing of communion, is why I have left the church.
Abortion opponents protest COVID-19 vaccines’ use of fetal cells | Science | AAAS (sciencemag.org)
Spoke to a Muslim mate and he said there’s some imams who claim it’s not halal.
Do you believe in democracy. We have freedom to live how we want within the law so we need to stick to those principles don’t you agree??
Should the many be at risk because of the few?
What about those affected/infected by those few that seek out the law to prevent them from getting the jab, does the law not protect them too?
This has nothing to do with democracy. This is not about government, this is about public health. A civil society depends on its members acting, by and large, for the benefit of the society itself. When individuals decide that their independent, and stupid, decisions matter more than the whole society breaks down.
I know there are (small) hardcore denominations in the Netherlands that refuse (virtually?) all medical interventions. Life's in God's hands, he decides, etc. I don't know the details but I do know vaccines are among the things they reject.
@Will Singh: obviously, people can do what they want (or not do what they don't want) within the law. So I do hope countries will legislate vaccination requirements, and will only provide exemptions for medical reasons.
Hahahahhhahaha.
I read the thread title and sadly delved into it for a minute.
Society broke down because the government. They won’t quick enough to make the right decision every step of the way, we had BoJo shaking hands with Covid patients and Dominic Cummins doing as he pleased and then Hancock put the cherry on the cake. How do you expect the joe public to take health advice from these muppets? Shutting down freedom of does he and expression ain’t the answer, education is.
I don't disagree, but religious/philosophical belief is a protected characteristic under the UK Equality Act 2010. It is currently against the law to discriminate against someone on the basis of a religious/philosophical belief in the UK.
None of the major religions are opposed to vaccination on principle, although there are some Christian denominations who are eg Dutch Reformed church, various faith healing denominations and The First Church of Christ, Scientist (Christian Scientists). I think some Amish are, too. Historically, Jehovah's Witnesses were always opposed, but they abandoned that a number of years ago (because it is obviously crazy).
Whether being an Antivaxxer qualifies as a protected characteristic (philosophical belief) has never been tested in law. Employment law is not my area, but colleagues in that field tell me that it would likely fail at tribunal.
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Surely any legislation that comes in won’t breach human rights, I can’t see how they can bring in a legislation hence why they are using business to have restrictions like vaccine passports.
I'm a Catholic myself (not practising) and hadn't actually heard about this, thanks interesting.
I had thought that pretty much every Islamic leader had said it was ok to take the vaccines, guess that's maybe not the case.
My experience is that of an American, but I don't think it differs much from the UK other than that ya'll are actually getting vaccinated. Anyways, I am not expecting people to listen to politicians. People should, as a rule, NEVER listen to politicians. I do expect people to listen to doctors and scientists, and the vast majority of each is begging people to get vaccinated. I said it previously but I will day it again, the loss of trust in science and scientists is going to be the downfall of our civilizations. The fact that my sister in law, who is a ER nurse, believes her facebook feed propaganda over all her colleagues and her sister (my wife) and I (we both have PhD's in microbiology) is enough proof that education is not the answer. The anti-vax are selfish and brainwashed, they are not uninformed.
I'll take it that as a rhetorical question.
You are less likely to catch an therefor transmit if you are vaccinated. Two fully vaccinated people in a room are less likely to pass the virus from on to another whereas if one of those are not vaccinated, the risk is increase.
Well, I don't know what's possible exactly in terms of policy instruments. I just hope vaccine passports and similar things are introduced and will be upheld in court (following up on @Infra-red's point).
The same here in the US, but it is such bullshit. The religious right here in the US has become a death cult.
It always comes up in cases like this (at least there in the US). Maybe if the Catholic Bishops conference wasn't so busy licking Trump's asshole they cold actually lead their congregations to make good health decisions.
Aren't they Jehovah's witnesses or something? Yeah I've heard of them though I'm not too familiar with them beyond when they come knocking round the doors every other year.
That’s correct. Also, ‘just’ reducing the possibility of hospitalisation and death ? What an odd statement, with all due respect. Surely these are fairly major considerations for most of us and not worthy of the ’just’ , in the sense of merely or only?
I don't think the players or anyone should be forced to take the vaccine but when people are contacted about getting vaccinated everyone should have to opt in or out (failure to reply being considered opting out).
So while I believe it should be every individuals choice whether or not they get vaccinated but if they refuse to take a free covid vaccine without a very good reason. Then should they fall ill with Covid and are admitted to hospital they should have to pay for any and all medical care they receive as a result of being hospitalised. And any medical costs that may arise as a result of any other conditions that arise from them getting Covid.
So while I believe it should be every individuals choice whether or not they get vaccinated but if they refuse to take a free covid vaccine without a very good reason. Then should they fall ill with Covid and are admitted to hospital they should have to pay for any and all medical care they receive as a result of being hospitalised. And any medical costs that may arise as a result of any other conditions that arise from them getting Covid.
Passport implementation will ensure the Human Rights Act isn't breached. They will place restrictions on movement without a Covid passport.
No, not Jehovah's witnesses; I don't know where they stand on this. I meant protestant split-offs like the Dutch reformed church that @Infra-red mentioned. It appears to have about 250k adherents in the Netherlands.