gooDevil
Worst scout ever
Oh boy, another thread about the same thing.
I have to agree somewhat with the sentiment here. Not happy at all with this Welbeck transfer. This transfer window has kind of left me with the feeling that our players are no longer "our" players.
This is my issue, everybody knew where we needed to strengthen, the centre of our midfield and centre of our defence.
Everyone said our forward line was our strength and some even said the best in the league. Instead the 2 world class players as you call them, are forwards, while our main weaknesses are being plugged by 2 guys that were nobodies before the World Cup. It feels like we tried to get our top targets in those areas like Vidal and Hummells and when we failed we just threw the cash into attacking players that were available if not really needed. I realise there would have been mass protests if we didn't spend big money but I would have liked to see some semblance of a plan to build the squad rather than give Jorge Mendes a blank cheque and let him fill it out based on who he wants to move on.
I really wish people would give Rojo and Blind a chance before labelling them as fellaini-esque signings or unsatisfactory ones. I mean most of us, including me, haven't seen these guys play consistently barring the WC, yet most are quick to judge them negatively since they aren't big names... Give them a chance would you. Would I have loved to see us sign the likes of Hummels/Benatia or Vidal/Carvalho/Strootman? Yes absolutely.
However, we couldn't sign these guys for various reasons (unwilling to leave/join, injury concerns/lack of CL etc). It wasn't for a lack of interest or cash. Therefore, like any other club we sensibly moved on to our next targets in Rojo and Blind. They might not be muppetatsic but I'm sure the club has thoroughly scouted them and that LVG approves of them.
It wasn't as though the club had been unwilling to invest (which I initially suspected) or suffering from poor planning. Granted, we could have moved sooner in the market and been more firm in our transfer negotiations, but LVG joined late and wanted to genuinely run the rule over the squad before moving in on targets, whilst Ed couldn't afford a repeat of last summer.
I do have concerns over how we will line up with so many quality attacking players in the squad. I also have concerns over the compatibility of our strikers. Will Januzaj get enough gametime? How will we keep our players on the bench happy with limited gametime this season? However, who better than LVG to manage the super-egos in the squad and get the best out of the players. I'm confident he will handle these obstacles well.
Another positive aspect most are choosing to ignore is the competitiveness in the team right now. There were periods during last season and this season where some of our players were putting in anonymous performances on the run but were rather guaranteed a spot on the teamsheet next week.
Im looking at you RVP, Carrick, Rooney and Mata. We had Welbeck, Cleverley, Hernandez and Kagawa who were nowhere near challenging the first teamers or threatening to displace them. That was one of the main reasons why some of our 'stars' were performing well below their normal levels. Not. Anymore. Piss about and you will be replaced by Falcao, Blind or Januzaj and you won't missed. I assume we are playing 2 CBs from now on, which means 4 rather unestablished players competing for 2 spots. Just a pity about our full backs though...
Just wish people would focus on the positives and look forward to the season, esp after the trainwreck of a one last season... Much better than making statements like 'we are still a world class CB and CM away from achieving something or we lost our identity or we have bought the wrong players'. How about we at least wait till Christmas before making hasty judgements.
I'd be quiet happy if Arsenal win the title.As a side note, it's very noticeable that the neutrals strongly would like Arsenal followed by Liverpool to win the league this season.
As a side note, it's very noticeable that the neutrals strongly would like Arsenal followed by Liverpool to win the league this season.
Another identity thread .. FFFFFSSSSSS, Mods merge the goddamn threads already? what is going on here.
international break was the worst thing that could happen after the transfer window, people completely going overboard now with the same discussions. Dont want to imagine if we dont win againt QPR and Welbeck scores the winner for Arsenal, this place will be in meltdown for weeks.
No we are not as soulless as they are. We didnt spend enough the last 10 years, thats why we spend now. A lot of legends have left us lately, we spend to get back where we should be. Short term there will be a lot of chnages like this one, bu long term not that much will change.
Let's see....Chelsea and City only have top squads because of owners spending hundreds of millions of their personal money and putting their clubs in massive debt.
United spent the money they earned.
Not seeing the similarity.
Obviously most people disagree that is irrelevant where the money came from. Usually in life that's an important detail.We arent in massive debt, arent United in massive debt?
Money is money whether the club earned it or the owner earned it is irrelevant. People are just trying to get at United any way possible.
Obviously most people disagree that is irrelevant where the money came from. Usually in life that's an important detail.
Does City not have debt? I thought they were on the hook if the owners ball, maybe I'm thinking of Chelsea. Apologies if I'm wrong there.
We arent in massive debt, arent United in massive debt?
Money is money whether the club earned it or the owner earned it is irrelevant. People are just trying to get at United any way possible.
Well, if Roman had made back his investment then kudos. If he's only stopped losing money every year, aka balanced the budget, that's less impressive.I support Chelsea. No we are fine if for some reason RA bailed, the idea we are worried about FFP or debt is very old now, we had the advantage of a decade under the owner to sort things out, we arent PSG or Man City and we are sustainable now.
Football should be about football, thats why where money comes from is irrelevant. I couldnt give a shit where United got their money from, Im more concerned that we spend wisely and buy well to worry about where others get their money from.
Because your owner made a fat check.
But it's not a problem for United, Chelsea or Man City aren't threats for United you are only new contenders. The real problem with sugar daddy clubs is with their "historical" rival (Aston Villa, Tottenham, Everton), or for Paris, the entire league. You screwd them all.
United Fans shouldn't care about how Chelsea or City "owned" their Money, like Munich don't care about Wolfsburg or Leverkusen.
Well, if Roman had made back his investment then kudos. If he's only speed losing money every year, aka balanced the budget, that's less impressive.
I don't necessarily mind wealthy patrons of football. But Roman had no association with Chelsea, it wasn't about Chelsea, it was about Roman.
Neither Wolfsburg nor Leverkusen have finished above Bayern recently.Because your owner made a fat check.
But it's not a problem for United, Chelsea or Man City aren't threats for United you are only new contenders. The real problem with sugar daddy clubs is with their "historical" rival (Aston Villa, Tottenham, Everton), or for Paris, the entire league. You screwd them all.
United Fans shouldn't care about how Chelsea or City "owned" their Money, like Munich don't care about Wolfsburg or Leverkusen.
That's the difference I think, it's with our own money.He's talking nonsense about Liverpool but kind of agree with what he's saying about us becoming soulless, were basically doing what City and Chelsea did a few few years ago albeit with our own money.
We arent in massive debt, didnt Uniteds owners putting United in massive debt?
Money is money whether the club earned it or the owner earned it is irrelevant. People are just trying to get at United any way possible.
Neither Wolfsburg nor Leverkusen have finished above Bayern recently.
That's the difference I think, it's with our own money.
True, but he does now, plus he is a fan of football, I cant stand people who are involved with clubs who have no interest or passion for the game at all and who are simply running it like a business.
Thats true, its none of anyones business where the money comes from. Although I wouldnt say we screwed Everton Villa or Spurs, they were miles off winning things a long time before we evolved. We screwed up the Arsenal/United duopoly thats for sure.
Because Munich is a well run club, and Wolfsburg won the league in 2009. While Leverkusen are professionnal bottlers. But both clubs are financed by big companies (Bayer and volkswagen)
Just one nuance, Chelsea and City are trying to create big clubs by modelling Bayern, United and Real Madrid, i have no problem with that but i'm really bothered by the other group of sugar daddies (Anzhi, Zenith, Malaga, maybe Monaco, Portsmouth, etc..) these are dangerous, they kill football clubs.
Off Topic : The FFP has been created for this second group and PSG, he is not aiming at Chelsea or Man City.
Do you know, that's exactly what I think.Its a small difference to be fair, United fans might think its big but as you can see fans of others dont, to them its the simple act of spending big to win regardless.
Obviously its all crap anyway, I read too much shit all the time about money money money, just buy what the hell you want, and watch 38 games of a league season and see who has the best team, the best manager, and the best spirit to come out on top and stop being so worried about where the damn money comes from.
Think we need to realise that we are going to get criticised for whatever we do because we are United and we are in a perceived 'downfall'. It's an ABU's wet dream. When we start playing like an actual football team again people will find something else to moan about. Probably about how far ahead we are of everyone commercially. Enjoy the criticism, it will make the return to success even sweeter.
I certainly wish they were merged, personally.I think mods should start clamping down on this bullshit to be honest. Not only is it ridiculous bullshit but its the same ridiculous bullshit recycled in numerous threads every day.
Either clamp down on this or open ONE thread then all the whiners can go in there.