That is a big call but when you look at the Republican field I cannot see any of the others realistically around running again in four years time but Huntsman.
US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012
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That is a big call but when you look at the Republican field I cannot see any of the others realistically around running again in four years time but Huntsman.
Unless a Romney loss means a big final push to the wingnut right, and it takes a massacre to get them to nominate a centrist
Speaking of which, Sarah Palin is being very nice about Ron Paul
What would happen if he ran as a third candidate, with her as veep? Between them they might take 25% of Republicans, though she'd stop him getting any Dems...
Speaking of which, Sarah Palin is being very nice about Ron Paul
What would happen if he ran as a third candidate, with her as veep? Between them they might take 25% of Republicans, though she'd stop him getting any Dems...
Ron Paul has flirted with the Libertarian nomination before and he might just go for it considering he surely will not run again, I really couldn't see her running as a VP again and especially not for a third party candidacy.
Is it that you want to see Palin running with an elderly man again or something?
Or is that you want a repeat of gems like this:
I didn't mean it as a serious possibility, I was just wondering what the numbers would look like in theory.
Some commentators are saying he won't run, cos it might put the mockers on Rand running in 2016 or 2020.
Some commentators are saying he won't run, cos it might put the mockers on Rand running in 2016 or 2020.
Rand Paul running for president? Seriously?
Poor Rick Perry, currently has less than 1% of votes counted in New Hampshire.
I am sorry, did I hear somebody say that they wanted to see pictures of the Governor of Texas and a candidate for the Republican nomination for the presidency, Rick Perry, using an automatic rifle and a grenade launcher?
Poor Rick Perry, currently has less than 1% of votes counted in New Hampshire.
I think he will have to re-invade Iraq by himself, with whatever speed he sees necessary, speed of sound, speed of light, or speed of his decline.
It is astonishing how badly he has screwed up his campaign, to think that at the end of the summer people thought that he was the favourite and would destroy Romney in the process.
What do you expect the dude had a fecking grenade launcher back then.
Indeed so, indeed.
I am still waiting for a big curveball in this election, like Donald Trump announcing he will run as an independent or something stupendously hilarious like that.
I am still waiting for a big curveball in this election, like Donald Trump announcing he will run as an independent or something stupendously hilarious like that.
Cain has raised the bar so high this year, that the race will still be boring, even if Trump gets involved..
I miss Cain.
Did you ever see his Christmas message? That was stunningly awful.
I miss Palin....it was nice having a candidate I could feck instead of looking at these guys knowing they'll feck me over.
So I missed this.
Piers Morgan interviewing Rick Perry on CNN now. Plenty of comedy in there.
He didn't screw up his campaign, he was just himself...a dumb fecking redneck. He got found out under the national spotlight. Nobody wants another W which is exactly what he would have been.
Gingrich is also being found out as the vain, vindictive piece of shit that he's always been. I love that he's been spewing out that it's a simple choice between a Reagan conservative and a Massachusetts moderate. Well Newty, the base of your party have spoken and they have resoundingly told you to feck off!
Dunno why but I just love this. I wish I could get away with saying blueberry pie like he does.
Hmm, actually it's not looking so bad turnout-wise. Maybe 15,000 down from 08.
Another thing about this Dre - the context doesn't actually help. In the abstract, I agree with you - you want to be able to lose service providers that aren't providing a good service. But health insurance doesn't work like that. This guy explains why:
So Ron Paul got quite a strong turnout at NH? I suspect he'll do well in the South too where the "anyone-but-Romney" demographic could give him somewhat of an edge.
If Romney ends up winning this (which he probably will) then I don't think it'll be far-fetched to predict that he'll go with Rand Paul as his VP.
If Romney ends up winning this (which he probably will) then I don't think it'll be far-fetched to predict that he'll go with Rand Paul as his VP.
Perhaps Paul will decide to run as an Independent if he doesn't win, which he won't, especially as he gave up his Senate seat.
Not that he could win that either, but he'd pull lots of Republicans, and lot of anti-war democrats as well, who feel let down by Obama.
Not that he could win that either, but he'd pull lots of Republicans, and lot of anti-war democrats as well, who feel let down by Obama.
no he wont.
the demographics are not in favour of a Republican president...unless the party moves to the center, which it wont because it is held hostage by the lunatic right and the tea party.
In the immortal words of Kevin Keegan "I would love it" if RP were to run as an independent. The backlash he'll face for essentially ensuring an Obama victory would be wonderfully epic. But yes, I'd imagine he'd actually do a lot better than most would predict considering the significant and underestimated number of independent or even democrat votes he'll siphon away from Obama.
I don't think he'll ultimately do it though. On the surface it looks likes he's got nothing to lose since this will be (you'd think) his last campaign at the ripe age of 115, but it'll probably be badly reflected on Rand Paul's future aspirations within the party (and he is doing quite well at his age), so I don't think Paul elder would want to poison that well for his son.
I don't know, Ron has pretty much spit in the face of the Republican central command so many times, if he hasn't turned his son's name to mud yet I can't see him managing it by running independently. Though who knows, those guys have strange decision making tendencies.
he wont run as an independent. he has the support of the GOP youth and those who have not dug into his crazy policies.
IF he does he will shiphon most votes from an already depressed GOP electorate. The 2012 election will be over before it starts.
As it is Obama will win handily.
IF he does he will shiphon most votes from an already depressed GOP electorate. The 2012 election will be over before it starts.
As it is Obama will win handily.
I think he will run as an independent in the end. The main reason is because he knows he can't get elected but will have a golden chance to continue conversations he's been able to successfully raise during the primaries (both this time and in 08) with a broader national audience. By doing so, he would force both Obama and Romney to court the critically important independents that Paul appeals to. He's not a Republican at heart and like Nader, won't feel compelled to not get in the race because doing so will make the Democrats win. He's strictly an issues guy and there's no better stage from which to make a policy splash than the general election.
That's the thing with him though. Everything up to that point is actually pretty compelling. And anything past that point has little chance of ever actually being implemented.
Kind of like voting for a student council president that's going to get some good stuff done, and the "lease F-16 to fire missile at school to collect on insurance" part of their platform is never ever happening anyway so why worry about it.
In that respect - whatever the truth of the newsletters and what they say about his racial views - he's doing a grand job.
The fact that these issues - especially the insanity of endless foreign military adventures - are getting any airtime at all in the present GOP, is great. The echo chamber has been opened.
Returning to the gold standard... yeah not so much.
The fact that these issues - especially the insanity of endless foreign military adventures - are getting any airtime at all in the present GOP, is great. The echo chamber has been opened.
Returning to the gold standard... yeah not so much.
To be honest with you this level of nit picking reminds me of the physics convention where some fella yelled racist when a scientist started talking about "black" holes.... the level of "baby ears" in this country has spiraled out of control
nah...he wont run as an independent simply because he will never get the serious money backing that is needed to do that in 50 states.
He has not been seriously vetted because those on both sides see him as a lunatic...which he is. If he does get the backing....he will be murdered in the elections....
He may pull votes from the Democrats but not as many as from Romney who 75% of the Republicans don't want.
I'm guessing Paul will run as an Independent or Libertarian. He's not a repub, he's a RINO. And most likely he'll pull a substantial amount of votes away from Romney.
I'm wondering who Romney will make as the VP on the ticket. Rubio? Huntsman? Suzana Martinez maybe (Gov of New Mexico)? How about a run with Palin?
I'm wondering who Romney will make as the VP on the ticket. Rubio? Huntsman? Suzana Martinez maybe (Gov of New Mexico)? How about a run with Palin?
Couldn't disagree with that more TBH. Americans tend to be conservative as a nation. It's enevittable that a republican will be back in the WH in the near future. I wouldn't totally rule out a republican winner this year.
What I find frustrating about Paul's frothing insanities about the gold standard is that despite the glaring inconsistency, people swallows it hook, line and sinker. I mean, what do people use gold for? As some sort of magical totem that stores value, like the Horcruxes store Voldemort's soul? That's exactly the same as the dollar, for feck's sake. Oh yeah, it's kind of bling, but anyone with taste prefers platinum or silver, or something not so yellow.
Americans tend to be the lunatic right and the tea party...
Conservative is completely relative to what your political center is. There are a few indicators that suggest it will be difficult for Republicans to win the White House in the future. Demographic shifts towards cities, newly naturalized citizens who tend to vote Democratic, as well as younger college age people who tend to be more idealistic and vote Democratic. Some of the aforementioned groups will vote Republican as well, but the Dems will definitely benefit more. The Republican Party's shift towards the Tea Party, and GOP candidates subsequent need to pander to those demographics will estrange them from the independents they need to win national elections.
of course nothing is impossible.
but the country is slowly moving to the left...
For a republican to retake the white house he will have to jettison the lunatic right...thats not going to happen this cycle.
Disagree with this as a generic statement. The country is moving left on social issues (gay marriage, personal privacy, etc). However I think there is more of a movement to the right on fiscal conservatisim. I'm not sure what part of the country you live in but the population centers seem are moving left but the rural areas are moving right. Even though I live in California the area I'm in looks at the bay area (San Francisco) and LA as complete nutters. Much like the those areas looking at central valley as hicks and red necks.
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