US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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Herman Cain takes the lead in the race for the Republican nomination, and claims of sexual harassment are made against him.

The nonsense that goes on in American politics is ridiculous.
 
gooDevil said:
There's no way, absolutely no way Romney will be president. Mormons are one of the most disliked groups in America. We've moved a lot further forward in 'race' relations, to have a black President, than we have in religious tolerance.

Though interestingly, the least liked religious group is atheists, even more disliked than Islamists, according to Richard Dawkins.
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It won't be because he's a Mormon. The country has moved on from that sort of thing. It will be because he won't be able to carry the entire south due to his perceived lack of conservative credentials, which will in turn gift Obama the election.
 
I see reports that the 'occupy Wall Street' movements are planning a move on Iowa in January.

Hardcore Republicans and left wing protesters - not a recipe conducive for keeping the peace.
 
Team Brian GB said:
Herman Cain takes the lead in the race for the Republican nomination, and claims of sexual harassment are made against him.

The nonsense that goes on in American politics is ridiculous.
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The claims were made years before Pizzaman Cain ever publicly hinted he envisioned himself as President Cain. They just got publicized because "Republican Presidential front-runner Herman Cain settled multiple sexual harassment claims" is slightly more eye-catching than "Business Lobby Head you've never heard of settles multiple sexual harassment claims".
 
I fecking hate the puritan strain in this country that can't handle a naked tit, or some heavy flirting. Shit...if a Congressman isn't getting any why shouldn't he try and score some ass from Craigslist? It's when they start messing with Congressional pages that things get a bit dodgy.

Cain needs to be ridiculed and destroyed for his complete lack of experience and dumbness rather than some incident with a chick at a conference.
 
Raoul said:
It won't be because he's a Mormon. The country has moved on from that sort of thing. It will be because he won't be able to carry the entire south due to his perceived lack of conservative credentials, which will in turn gift Obama the election.
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Wow, I'm really surprised to hear anyone say that. Are you saying this as someone who spends a lot of time here? Sorry, haven't met many Raoul's in my days.

This country, and especially it's politics, is drenched in religion. I'm not sure what makes you think we're past it, though I suppose the fact Romney and other Mormons have had some success in politics counts for something.

But we've had black policians for a long time before we had a black President, that's a big jump. Kennedy has been the only American President that wasn't Baptist. That's not a strange series of coincidences.

Plenty of people who were never going to win have done this well in the polls this early. I'm not convinced, and I'll be way more shocked than I was when Obama won if Romney is President.
 
it was on PBS. The guy is useless. Gets caught lying on a subject, backtracks, repeats on next subject. He's way ahead in some polls this morning. Surely these mistakes will catch up with him.
 
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Herman Cain has definitely surged in the polls, and he has taken the lead in many of them. As shown below, however, people are still putting their money on Romney to win the GOP nomination for President. Over at Intrade.com, the contract for Romney to win the GOP nomination puts the odds at 69.5%, while the contract for Cain puts his odds at only 6.3%. At its peak, Cain's Intrade odds to win were just over 10%, and they have pulled back over the past few weeks. Romney's odds to win keep on creeping higher.
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Cain might be doing well in the polls, but the money is backing Romney in a big way.
 
niMic said:
Link/video/article?

Because that's hilarious.
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Here's the link.

Here's the context from the transcript with the specific bit bolded:

JUDY WOODRUFF: Do you view China as a potential military threat to the United States?

HERMAN CAIN: I do view China as a potential military threat to the United States.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And what could you do as president to head that off?

HERMAN CAIN: My China strategy is quite simply outgrow China. It gets back to economics. China has a $6 trillion economy and they're growing at approximately 10 percent. We have a $14 trillion economy -- much bigger -- but we're growing at an anemic 1.5, 1.6 percent. When we get our economy growing back at the rate of 5 or 6 percent that it has the ability to do, we will outgrow China.

And secondly, we already have superiority in terms of our military capability, and I plan to get away from making cutting our defense a priority and make investing in our military capability a priority, going back to my statement: peace through strength and clarity. So yes they're a military threat. They've indicated that they're trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat.
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I imagine it's being walked back to something like "he meant to say that China is trying to increase its nuclear capability" or the like, but he's obviously a buffoon.
 
senorgregster said:
Cain saying he is worried that China are after nuclear weapons. Time to step down and get back to selling pizzas and your book.
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Did I miss something, is Chairman Mao presiding over the Great Leap Forward at the moment?
 
Reading that PBS transcript he is an even bigger idiot than I thought.
 
Scary isn't it. Bit disappointing that she didn't catch the error and push him on it immediately.

It would have gone something like this:

During the interview: "I wasn't aware that China had weapons and big boats"
Next day: "I was joking, of course I know China has weapons and big boats, I meant to say Uzbeckbeckbeckastanstanstan is looking to acquire nuclear weapons"
 
gooDevil said:
Wow, I'm really surprised to hear anyone say that. Are you saying this as someone who spends a lot of time here? Sorry, haven't met many Raoul's in my days.

This country, and especially it's politics, is drenched in religion. I'm not sure what makes you think we're past it, though I suppose the fact Romney and other Mormons have had some success in politics counts for something.

But we've had black policians for a long time before we had a black President, that's a big jump. Kennedy has been the only American President that wasn't Baptist. That's not a strange series of coincidences.

Plenty of people who were never going to win have done this well in the polls this early. I'm not convinced, and I'll be way more shocked than I was when Obama won if Romney is President.
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The country has obviously changed significantly since there is now a black President and had he not run, the current President would likely have been a woman. Republican criticisms on Romney are scarcely down to his Mormon beliefs and grounded in his lack of hardcore conservative credentials (whatever that means) when contrasted to views of say, Cain or Perry. The belief that Romney is disqualified due to being Mormon is largely a Red Herring that's being perpetuated by certain members of the press in order to provide a shallow analysis of the situation. Furthermore, there have been plenty of non-"Baptist" Presidents. Recent ones that come to mind are both Bushes, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, and so on.
 
I have a bit of sympathy for Romney since his party has flip-flopped on the issues over the years too. They used to be for a lot of the ideas in his and Obama's health reforms. He's still a douchebag, but it wouldn't be a disaster if he got elected, certainly not a disaster on the scale of say Perry getting elected.

Obama and the dems just have to play divide and conquer to get the result, but with no house or senate majority it's going to be a pretty hollow victory.
 
Grinner said:
I have a bit of sympathy for Romney since his party has flip-flopped on the issues over the years too. They used to be for a lot of the ideas in his and Obama's health reforms. He's still a douchebag, but it wouldn't be a disaster if he got elected, certainly not a disaster on the scale of say Perry getting elected.

Obama and the dems just have to play divide and conquer to get the result, but with no house or senate majority it's going to be a pretty hollow victory.
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My prediction is Obama will have his second term. The Dems will tie the Senate...and Biden will be spending a lot of time breaking the tie.

The tea party will lose some seats but the GOB will retain the the house.

In effect no change.
 
senorgregster said:
:lol: the ad under the posts here is "make Obama a one-term president"
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if people say that if I were a Democratic strategist i'd just be repeating



over and over and over... and blame them for the lack of economic recovery by pointing at how they've blocked efforts to pass a jobs bill.
 
Drainy said:
if people say that if I were a Democratic strategist i'd just be repeating



over and over and over... and blame them for the lack of economic recovery by pointing at how they've blocked efforts to pass a jobs bill.
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agreed. They claim all his policies have caused this but since they took over the senate none of his policies have been passed.
 
Well not exactly since his poll numbers have endured the past few weeks of mistakes. He's still leading in several polls, although that will change once more women come out to accuse him of harassing them.
 
There's absolutely zero chance of Cain winning. Though I'd love him to. I don't think Romney will beat Obama, but Cain would be much more entertaining. I can only dream of the presidential debates, Barack Obama versus Herman Cain.
 
niMic said:
There's absolutely zero chance of Cain winning. Though I'd love him to. I don't think Romney will beat Obama, but Cain would be much more entertaining. I can only dream of the presidential debates, Barack Obama versus Herman Cain.
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Palin vs Obama would have been the dream ticket.
 
Raoul said:
The country has obviously changed significantly since there is now a black President and had he not run, the current President would likely have been a woman. Republican criticisms on Romney are scarcely down to his Mormon beliefs and grounded in his lack of hardcore conservative credentials (whatever that means) when contrasted to views of say, Cain or Perry. The belief that Romney is disqualified due to being Mormon is largely a Red Herring that's being perpetuated by certain members of the press in order to provide a shallow analysis of the situation. Furthermore, there have been plenty of non-"Baptist" Presidents. Recent ones that come to mind are both Bushes, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, and so on.
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Sorry I meant to say Protestant, excuse my dyslexia, that's what I get for not googling. But it would seem that this claim is a bit of an urban legend, because there are apparently 3 Quakers, and I'm not sure if the 4 Unitarians count, they called themselves Protestants originally it seems, but perhaps as they are now they don't count. And our 1 Catholic.

I just don't see your average reactionary sort of republican, who expects Jesus to scorch the earth in their lifetime, voting for a Mormon, even if they would vote for a Catholic. Mormonism isn't much respected here, it's a big joke, like Scientology. I guess I think we've made more progress with racism and sexism than religious prejudice.


Disciples of Christ [Protestant]

James Garfield
Lyndon Johnson
Ronald Reagan


Baptist [Protestant]

Warren Harding
Harry Truman
Jimmy Carter (Southern Baptist)
Bill Clinton (Southern Baptist)


Dutch Reformed [Protestant]

Martin Van Buren
Theodore Roosevelt


Protestant Episcopalian

George Washington
James Madison
James Monroe
William Henry Harrison
John Tyler
Zachary Taylor
Franklin Pierce
Chester A. Arthur
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Gerald Ford
George H. W. Bush
George W. Bush (later Methodist)


Methodist [Protestant]

James Polk (originally Presbyterian)
Ulysses Grant (allegedly; his theology is unknown)
William McKinley
George W. Bush (originally Episcopalian)


Presbyterian [Protestant]

Andrew Jackson
James Polk (later Methodist)
James Buchanan
Grover Cleveland
Benjamin Harrison
Woodrow Wilson
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Ronald Reagan (also Disciples of Christ)


Quaker

Herbert Hoover
Richard Nixon


Roman Catholic

John F. Kennedy

Unitarian [called themselves Protestants originally]

John Adams
John Quincy Adams
Millard Fillmore [converted from Presbyterian as adult]
William Howard Taft


United Church of Christ [Protestant]

Barack Obama

[Edit: These are listed as non-specific Christian, didn't see them before:

No denominational affiliation:

Thomas Jefferson (Deist or Unitarian)
Abraham Lincoln (attended Presbyterian services)
Andrew Johnson (born Baptist, went to Methodist and Catholic mass)
Rutherford Hayes (came from a Presbyterian family, but attended Methodist schools as a youth, often listed as Methodist).

Anyway, they all made a point of identifying with a Protestant religion.]

Religious affiliations of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I don't know why Romney just doesn't renounce his Mormonism and become a born-again something. He's too intelligent to actually believe in it and he's changed his mind on a million other things anyway.

Possibly his strategists have told him it would make his desperation and lack of belief in anything too obvious. He should've done it some time in the last couple of years. Probably a little late now.
 
Some of those presidents (if not most) must have been atheists surely.
 
Probably a few athiests and deists, but not openly. Of course who knows what they REALLY think, I have my doubts, to be sure.

After the spread of Evangelism in the early 1900s were became even more unreasonable and reactionary, as opposed to more open. I wonder if Jefferson could get elected today with his religious beliefs.
 
I'm quite ashamed of the reaction in this country of those that don't like Obama. You'd never see the same sort of accusations leveled from all corners of the media against a white president, the racism is barely veiled.
 
niMic said:
There's absolutely zero chance of Cain winning. Though I'd love him to. I don't think Romney will beat Obama, but Cain would be much more entertaining. I can only dream of the presidential debates, Barack Obama versus Herman Cain.
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Half the south would drop dead. It would be like the 'Clayton Bigsby' episode on Dave Chappelle Show when he revealed himself to be a blind black man. Heads would explode.
 
If he is or came out and admitted, he'd become my fav pres immediately. Although I could envision it losing the election for him. I'm sure plenty of his supporters are religious when you consider a good 3/4* of the country are.

*I don't have statistics or polls to back this number up, just an educated guess.
 
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