hmmm. no.
I would not want to mortgage my house to pay them.
Do you feel what insurance companies charge is fair?
I was thinking of the Swiss model, which is highly regulated.
Or we could have Medicare for all...which personally I would prefer.
US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012
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hmmm. no.
I would not want to mortgage my house to pay them.
Do you feel what insurance companies charge is fair?
I was thinking of the Swiss model, which is highly regulated.
Or we could have Medicare for all...which personally I would prefer.
mjs020294 - How exactly do you propose change courses in medical school? Next thing you know is the nation would have thousands of undereducated medical providers.
Go back to a mixture of hands on and classroom training for nurses. A four year degree is not necessarily the best training for the profession, in fact it produces pretty average nurses. You still have a school of nursing associated with a college but they students do three months in class and then three months in the hospital. And the hospital shifts should be on a 24/7 rotation.
Far too many college educated nursing have poor nursing skills. My wife had a newly qualified the other night and she asked him for vital signs on a baby. He said he had never done it before and refused to do it. That is unacceptable when he is being paid the same as nurses that have the full skill set. Then you have the problem with newly qualified not liking the shifts…hello it’s a 24/7 profession get with the program.
College degrees does not equate to undereducated or under skilled.
Far too many college educated nursing have poor nursing skills. My wife had a newly qualified the other night and she asked him for vital signs on a baby. He said he had never done it before and refused to do it. That is unacceptable when he is being paid the same as nurses that have the full skill set. Then you have the problem with newly qualified not liking the shifts…hello it’s a 24/7 profession get with the program.
College degrees does not equate to undereducated or under skilled.
In fact if you take the model for doctors that backs up my post above. They don't step out of medical schools as fully fledge and highly paid doctors. They serve a brutal apprenticeship learning their trade.
I agree on the degree does not equate to actual education level or skill (or intellectual level either) but in a profession like medicine I do believe you must have some level of advanced education or skill-set.
Nurses are not required to serve an internship?
Nurses are not required to serve an internship?
Nope, four year degree and take the licence exam. I am not suggesting they don't get educated but a four year university degree isn't the best way of doing it IMO
Perry speech highlights.
So this is getting a lot of airplay over the weekend and is quite bizarre. It looks to me like the guy was drunk and just let out his real persona. I think he's revealing that he's extremely dumb, a tool of business interests, and very unlikely to be a better president than GW Bush. That being said, he's not Romney so is still in with a very good chance of getting the nomination.
I saw this earlier. Not good very Perry. Also Cain got pwned this weekend on meet the press.
Obama must be sleeping real well at nights with this bunch of fools from GOP.
I gave up on watching MTP after about 2 months of David Gregory. He's an utter cnut. Tim Russert was a huge loss for politics in this country. He was America's Paxman.
same here Grin.
Gregory is a repulican stooge. Russert was hard on both sides...thus he had integrity.
Those on PBS are proper journalists...but they are hardly 'Brian Walden'.
Chris Matthews does know his stuff. imo he would have been way better than Gregory.
Yeah...Matthews would be good. I just can't sit through PBS...they try so hard to be impartial that they end up boring the shit out of you!
Losing Koppel on Nightline was a fecking disaster too. I haven't watched it in years now. At least Bill Maher says what we all know...if only he could get a politician of note on the show!
Losing Koppel on Nightline was a fecking disaster too. I haven't watched it in years now. At least Bill Maher says what we all know...if only he could get a politician of note on the show!
Can't get enough of Cain on Youtube.
But hey, it was just Mark smoking!
Bill Maher sometimes just comes across as full of himself.
Stewart and Colbert would be fantastic if they went 'serious'.
They get more across in their shows now than some of these serious pundits.
Agree about your comments on PBS. But if you want to get facts..thats the place to go.
Whoops I got Meet the Press and Face the Nation mixed up. That was the clip I was referring to. Now of course there is more with the sexual harassment scandal.
The other bit of information that took me aback today. On Morning Joe this morning they showed that intrade has the repubs at 70 odd % to win the House of Reps and Senate. Even if Obama wins (they have that 50:50) we are in for 4 more years of bickering. If Romney wins and has control of the house and senate god help us. interestingly intrade called 50 of 50 of the last senate races and 49/50 the time before.
That's the trouble with this system as opposed to a parliamentary system. You'd have an opposition, but the party in power could actually run the country and live or die based on what they acheived.
The current US system as designed by the FF's never assumed that the two parties would have their own interests ahead of those of the country. It's fecking scandalous...
The current US system as designed by the FF's never assumed that the two parties would have their own interests ahead of those of the country. It's fecking scandalous...
I never understood why Americans want a system where the focus is more on the individual than the party and their ideas, and where the make-up of the Parliament has no direct influence on who is President.
Its most likely a trend in an increasing commercialization and sensationalizing culture within US politics. Presidential elections are now no less a popularity contest akin to something X-factor, than a means for the electorate to exercise political representation. Just watch the frequency of ad-breaks and sponsors butting in through debates to get an idea.
To be fair I'd be harsh if I were singling out the US here; Europe is adopting a similar trend. Heck its happening in the UK, a country where you traditionally vote for a party's values and policies as opposed to the personalities that accommodate them, yet in the last election they held an unprecedented debate between the leaders of the three main parties.
I've no doubt that UK politicians want nothing more than to emulate the US system of lobbying and campaign contributions.
Presidential elections are complete theatre now...it's very depressing but incredibly compelling. I've no doubt that the average UK backbencher pol could debate the pants off of any of the current republican presidential candidates. Each of them are seeming incapable of describing any issue with any substance whatsoever. That being said...the average backbencher would look awful on telly, doesn't own any guns, and doesn't pray to god for guidance.
The only good thing about the way things are going is that the republican party is self-destructing, but the trouble with that is we need a decent opposition to keep the democrats in check.
It always boils down to Americans get the government that they deserve. If people can't be arsed to get engaged then they deserve to get fecked over.
Presidential elections are complete theatre now...it's very depressing but incredibly compelling. I've no doubt that the average UK backbencher pol could debate the pants off of any of the current republican presidential candidates. Each of them are seeming incapable of describing any issue with any substance whatsoever. That being said...the average backbencher would look awful on telly, doesn't own any guns, and doesn't pray to god for guidance.
The only good thing about the way things are going is that the republican party is self-destructing, but the trouble with that is we need a decent opposition to keep the democrats in check.
It always boils down to Americans get the government that they deserve. If people can't be arsed to get engaged then they deserve to get fecked over.
We always have debates between all the leaders of the political parties in Norway at election time, regional or national (though they matter less when it's regional, obviously). And some of the debating will center around who will end up as Prime Minister. But at the end of the day you vote for a party, not a Prime Minister. The Prime Minister and the entire cabinet could change entirely without another election, though that's mostly theoretically.
We also have a complete ban on political advertising on TV, precisely to limit the direct impact of money on the political discourse.
We also have a complete ban on political advertising on TV, precisely to limit the direct impact of money on the political discourse.
See I don't think it boils down to them not being arsed, heck I'd wager that the average Yank would have a lot to say on any given issue, its just that I feel many of them are misled to genuine ignorance. The media are mainly to blame for selectively channeling garbage (e.g from the likes of certain Tea Party loons,who incidentally completely miss the point of the concept of the Tea Party, the Obama birth certificate circus, etc), while marginalizing politicians like Ron Paul simply because of the threat they and their proposed policies pose to corporate-run America.
In essence the US media cultivates a society that's fuels ignorance and raises the profile of genuine nutjobs like Cain, if thats what it takes for them to divert the heat away from their corporate masters.
No...that's a cop-out. It's not hard to find out the facts and the candidates positions for yourself. It's lazy to just blame 'the media'...whatever that is...it's more accurate to blame the average voter for their apathy.
Most big-city newspapers have an editorial board that do fairly decent job of breaking the candidates stances on issues down for their readers. Trouble is, hardly anybody bothers reading a newspaper anymore.
Most big-city newspapers have an editorial board that do fairly decent job of breaking the candidates stances on issues down for their readers. Trouble is, hardly anybody bothers reading a newspaper anymore.
Perry comes across as funny...Ok not presidential but just a good ol boy.
Romney comes across as a fake.....because that is what he is.
Romney comes across as a fake.....because that is what he is.
Perry comes across as an idiot.
thats what I said.
There's a bit of individualism built into the ethos of American history that drives this sort of thing. The other factors are intense media saturation where ideas take a backseat to personality, as well as the electoral college system that compels Presidential candidates to market themselves in key battleground states, whereas certain states like Montana, North Dakota, Mississippi, Wyoming, Alaska, and so on, will not see candidates at all during the election. But the battleground states do set up a phenomenon where candidates are obliged to market themselves as individuals in order to connect with everyday voters, as opposed to marketing ideas over personality.
Is that seriously an ad they are running for him.
How stupid do you have to be to approve something like that.
Yeah its become quite infamous in the past week or so. Cain's lack of strategic communications skills, both in the things he says and the messages (such as the video) he approves, might work well during the primaries when candidates pander to the lowest common denominator of their political base, but would be suitably calamitous against Obama - who is an excellent, well disciplined communicator.
One comment that hasn't been made is the idea that legislators, especially members of the House, should be representing their constituency over their party. In practice it doesn't necessarily work that way, but in a rural district, the voters would probably expect a Congressman to support Ag subsidies regardless of what party he was in.
Is that seriously an ad they are running for him.
How stupid do you have to be to approve something like that.
that's just Block being Block.
they really are nuts.
Greta: do you have a roaming eye?
Cain: I like to look at flowers
Cain: I like to look at flowers
Cain is actually a worse candidate than Palin. I didn't think that was possible. At least she actually governed for a little bit and lived next door to Russia. This guy is ignorant about foreign affairs, puts forward ideas that are absolute nonsense, and runs a joke of a campaign.
His master plan is surely to get speaking gigs and a Fox News job. He cannot be serious. Romney is just sitting back and letting this all play out.
His master plan is surely to get speaking gigs and a Fox News job. He cannot be serious. Romney is just sitting back and letting this all play out.
Yeah its in Romney's best interest to let Perry and Cain make utter buffoons of themselves, so that he can then cruise to the nomination. If for some reason Cain got the nomination and utilized these same retarded tactics in the general election, he would get absolutely pulverized by Obama in the way of another 200 plus electoral vote landslide.
Isn't it amazing that Romney doesn't belong to this party? He's the best chance they have but the base has lurched so far away from genuine conservatism that they refuse to support him.
This election will hopefully fix the republican party for good.
This election will hopefully fix the republican party for good.
One problem we have is that 1/3 of the country expects the apocalypse in their lifetime and thus, perhaps unconsciously because of this, back very self-destructive policies. And vote republican.
So do all the 'manly man' type men, where voting democrat is equivalent to saying you perform oral sex on your wife and bag your dog's poo while wearing skin tight pink tank tops.
I think the game was lost a long time ago, probably when we started dumbing down our educational system.
So do all the 'manly man' type men, where voting democrat is equivalent to saying you perform oral sex on your wife and bag your dog's poo while wearing skin tight pink tank tops.
I think the game was lost a long time ago, probably when we started dumbing down our educational system.
I wish I could pretend I knew anything about european business and social service models.
But the insurance industry is one of the best grifts in America, along with the banking industry. Good luck getting those parasites out of our system without gutting everything.
There's no way, absolutely no way Romney will be president. Mormons are one of the most disliked groups in America. We've moved a lot further forward in 'race' relations, to have a black President, than we have in religious tolerance.
Though interestingly, the least liked religious group is atheists, even more disliked than Islamists, according to Richard Dawkins.
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