Kennedy kept us out of Vietnamyou need to do more research
No, you do.
US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012
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No, you do.
Kennedy made Vietnam a priority to demonstrate US power. He sent special forces troops to train South Vietnamese troops. He increased US military forces from under 1000 during Eisenhower to almost 20000 and he supported the coup against Diem.
Obviously Johnson escalated the war but anyone who says Kennedy kept us out of Vietnam is simply wrong.
Obviously Johnson escalated the war but anyone who says Kennedy kept us out of Vietnam is simply wrong.
Obama had legislative experience as a lawmaker, not as an executive, which is what the Presidency is, the executive branch of government.
So as the job role goes, surely being Gov is more relevant experience.
How about we just agree that anyone who is an ex-sportscaster can't be President or Vice President?
Palin is so dumb and I dismissed her so long ago I don't even remember why anymore.
If someone had a CV as good as Obama's, but with a powerful 'executive' position as demanding as being a Senator for Illinois [and therefore Chicago, the 3rd biggest city in the States], then I would concede you may have a point.
You don't read well do you, I said on his watch. The escalation you are referring to was typical brinkmanship with the Russians and Chinese to show the US military might. Kennedy was a well known pacifist and more than likely died for his lack of military action. He had absolutely no intention to go into South Vietnam.
Vin Scully for President!
He was already IN Vietnam! Surely you don't mean pacifist. He fought in WWII
sweet fecking baby jesus, why do you think he was a pacifist? They weren't already in Vietnam as an official fighting or invading force just a large group of military advisers. Surely you understand the correlation between Kennedy's death and Johnson's succession and the starting of the war?March 8, 1965 -- The first U.S. combat troops arrive in Vietnam, as 3500 Marines land at China Beach to defend the American air base at Da Nang. They join 23,000 American military advisers already in Vietnam. The arrival of combat troops is considered by some the start of the war, although American military advisers have been in Vietnam for over 10 years.
There ya go whatever way you want to look at it but military action didnt happen until 1965.
There ya go whatever way you want to look at it but military action didnt happen until 1965.
The various analysis has been that JFK would have pulled us out anyway...and no way would escalated the situation.
He was killed because he wanted to end the cold war.
Best book on the subject
http://www.amazon.com/JFK-Unspeakab...=UTF8&qid=1348694946&sr=1-38&keywords=kennedy
He was killed because he wanted to end the cold war.
Best book on the subject
http://www.amazon.com/JFK-Unspeakab...=UTF8&qid=1348694946&sr=1-38&keywords=kennedy
The best book I've read on this is JFK and the Unspeakable. It presents firm evidence of the US embassy lying to the president about the situation and how JFK decided to end the military build-up just before his death.
edit: ha! Nice one Red Dreams!
Ultimate Sacrifice is good too. Robert J. Groden's The Killing of a President is fascinating. Curiously though, Ellroy's American Tabloid assassination scenario seems more likely to me than any non-fiction account.
I love that Ellroy trilogy.
I haven't read the book, though I will. Skimming Amazon reviews (I'm on my iPod) suggests that the author thinks the CIA did it?
There were lots of people who wanted him dead, the Russians, the mob, the CIA, Cuban expats, the list goes on. Stressing that I haven't read it yet, anyone who claims to know who did it and why he was killed is guilty of overreach.
While he didn't escalate as much as Johnson, he did escalate hugely fromEisenhower. Maybe he would have gotten us out, who knows? Id rather have had him making that decision than LBJ. But that is just speculation. His role in the escalation of Vietnam is a fact that has been glossed over by countless hagiographies. (Seriously, is there anything the world needs less than more books on Kennedy?)
Anyway, I don't think he was a good president but I'd put him in the top half of post WWII presidents. I'll elaborate later when I have my laptop.
There were lots of people who wanted him dead, the Russians, the mob, the CIA, Cuban expats, the list goes on. Stressing that I haven't read it yet, anyone who claims to know who did it and why he was killed is guilty of overreach.
While he didn't escalate as much as Johnson, he did escalate hugely fromEisenhower. Maybe he would have gotten us out, who knows? Id rather have had him making that decision than LBJ. But that is just speculation. His role in the escalation of Vietnam is a fact that has been glossed over by countless hagiographies. (Seriously, is there anything the world needs less than more books on Kennedy?)
Anyway, I don't think he was a good president but I'd put him in the top half of post WWII presidents. I'll elaborate later when I have my laptop.
Military advisers had been there for ten years, the amount of whom was increased tenfold from Eisenhower to Kennedy.
You said he was a pacifist
Maybe you should start another thread if you really want to get into it.
Nah, Hawk Harrelson.
"pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and success of liberty."
John F. Kennedy
He was going to but got killed and he was going to send troops from South Korea to Vietnam, US had already several military advisers in that country.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
Realclearpolitics is moving Ohio to Lean Obama. Without toss-ups Obama has 265...only 5 short of the 270 he needs.
Realclearpolitics is moving Ohio to Lean Obama. Without toss-ups Obama has 265...only 5 short of the 270 he needs.
James Douglas is working on 2 other books on MLK Jr and RFK.
yes because rhetoric was so not JFK. Its a moot point anyway I said he kept the US out while he was alive and you have no way in knowing what would have happened had he lived. His lack of appetite for war and his inaction probably hastened his death which was most likely sanctioned by the military industrial agents.do you think someone is born pacifist?
As advised above, I'll end this discussion in this thread. Needless to say, you have lived up to your tagline.
EDIT: Let me translate that for you....
As advised above, I'll end this discussion in this thread. Needless to say, you have lived up to your tagline.
EDIT: Let me translate that for you....
Originality and intelligence sorely lacking by you Im afraid
Apparently this man believes you are born pacifist
lets not start on homosexuality what do you mean?
He had a pacifist look on his face and then eboue27 had a wank
Eboue...have a listen of this speech made just a few months before his death.
It's a brilliant speech, something he was truly great at. That said, his actions differed from his words (along with every other president)
Kennedy was a historian. His book...Profiles in Courage demonstrates his love for history.
While he would not have resisted using military force, he would have needed to be convinced that American interest were threatened.
He did not listen to the hawks in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Imagine a Bush or Romney in that position. None of us may be here.
On domestic policies he supported Civil Rights even after he was told by his advisers it would not help him in his seeking a second term. Kennedy said it was the right thing to do.
Courage is the word I think of when I think of JFK.
While he would not have resisted using military force, he would have needed to be convinced that American interest were threatened.
He did not listen to the hawks in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Imagine a Bush or Romney in that position. None of us may be here.
On domestic policies he supported Civil Rights even after he was told by his advisers it would not help him in his seeking a second term. Kennedy said it was the right thing to do.
Courage is the word I think of when I think of JFK.
thats what happens when you run two totally useless candidates. Even a wrestler looks good...
New Hampshire looks strangely close, but on closer inspection (these are loafers) it's extremely under-polled, and one of them's Rasmussen (3 point Romney lead, natch). What are the demographics there similar to?
538 also has its highest probability of an Obama win yet, even above the bounce. North Carolina on the now-cast also real close, if things keep going the way they are...
Another thing I read on twitter today - the Obama camp are apparently mulling over making a play for Arizona. Would seem risky given it's completely unnecessary to win. There's the Senate though...
Can you elaborate? Kennedy has a very mixed record on civil rights.
watch Arizona. Both the Presidential and the Senate races are moving top the Democrats.
That's quite unfair. I have no idea how I would have reacted in that exact position in front of kids and a televised audience. The POTUS is expected to remain calm and in control, which he did. One could tell he had thoughts racing through his mind while finishing up the kids thing. If he had panicked and ran out people would attack him for that today as a leader that panicked and did not remain calm for the people to follow.
there are many places to look. This is as good as any. I know what you mean though. But lets remember this was 1960 and Kennedy was a politician. Still he moved in the right direction.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/john_kennedy_and_civil_rights.htm
Bay of pigs
that is fair. I would not blame him for that incident. But as we know he completely ignored evidence that an attack was planned. He was totally incompetent and bears direct responsibility for 911.
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