Jebus, Romney better hope that the latest Quinnipiac polls are ridiculously skewed, they put Obama 10 ahead in Ohio and 9 ahead in Florida.
US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012
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Some shocking polls for Romney in recent weeks.
Also some shocking polls for Republicans in general.
I'd lay the blame for 9/11 on Bush's door. he ignored all the warnings.
There is a lot of blame to go round for the Crash... but Bush started a war we never should have got into and did not even fund it.
There is a lot of blame to go round for the Crash... but Bush started a war we never should have got into and did not even fund it.
The financial crisis was partly his fault and he was woefully inept at pre-empting 9/11. Clinton tried several times to get Bin Laden, and during the handover, apparently told Bush that he was the biggest threat to American security, and Bush ignored this, and did virtually nothing on him until post 9/11.
Saying there weren't any other attacks in his time is a bit like saying Lyndon Johnson coped well with Presidential assassinations during his time in the White House because there wasn't another one after JFK.
In terms of presidents, I'd say GWB was the stupidest.
I still think this idea that GWB was 'stupid' is a huge misconception. I think he deliberately put on this stupid persona to provoke the judgmental elitism of his rivals, and you know what - it worked.
His economic policy was disastrous, his foreign policy was incompetent, and his social policy was ludicrous. I don't think he's stupid, but he's very misguided.
There's a difference between stupid stupid, and stupid compared to what's required for the most powerful job in the World. I'm not stupid, but I'm definitely too stupid to be head of Physics at Oxford.
He was inconsiderate, irresponsible even, but I don't think that would equate him as being stupid. He did manage to impose neocon policies and values after 8 years of Clinton, that has to be an achievement in itself, even if the consequences were disastrous for the average American (or Iraqi, Afghan etc).
Bush would have made a good baseball commisioner.
thats it.
way underqualified to be President of the US.
the vast majority of our presidents have been lawyers. in my books he would have failed at that first hurdle.
thats it.
way underqualified to be President of the US.
the vast majority of our presidents have been lawyers. in my books he would have failed at that first hurdle.
Not necessarily disagreeing but no one was less qualifued than Obama in 2008. Even Palin had a better resume to be a leader and desision maker.
Can you just quote what you said on the Sarah Palin forum to argue with this bit of nonsensical wummery so we don't have to?
Bush is an Einstein compared to Palin and certainly had a better resume than her (and political connections/elitist friends).
Palin is the epitome of a cult of personality.
Palin is the epitome of a cult of personality.
Incorrect.
Correct.
Obama had no executive experience. Palin was Gov of Alaska, so was Bush and Clinton. Obama had no experience in the executive branch of any government, organisation or business.
Well I was caomparing Palin to Omaba so taht is a moot point.
Not really interested in their IQ, more their record and life experience prior to 2008.
My position remains pretty much the same on any forum. The difference between this forum and the US site is that site leans heavily to the right and this one is ridiculous young and extremely socialist. Its pretty meaningless having a debate on either TBH.
i'll just put you down to doing another WUM.
Anyone here was more qualified than Palin. You get a 100 people,1000 caribou and 3 cans on beans and you get to be Gov of Alaska.
You did follow her interviews...especially the one SNL did verbatim?
in short she was/is a moron.
If you compared the CV's of Obama and Palin and only their CV's for the job. Palin would come out top.
Thankfully some of us are more nuanced than to just compare résumés.
Palin was fantastically unqualified in almost every sense of the word.
There's no such thing as a CV for that job.
Jimmy Carter was one of the best qualified POTUS ever yet many right wingers consider him to be a disaster (naturally they are wrong).
No shit. No one suggested that we should look at CV's only. However, you do know that in many government jobs, they are only allowed to take into consideration CV's and applications when shortlisting the best candidates?
As I said, in 2008, based only on experience, then surely Palin would win. Thankfully it's no based on experience..
..and that would be a stupid way to choose a President is all I am saying.
We as voters judge a candidate on not just qualifications...which in no way is Obama lacking btw. As I said, I would look for someone who had a background in law and had experience in government...which Obama had. But the bigger sell for me would be his answers to complex questions which I thought he dealt with very well. He also put forward his visons in two books he wrote. What more do I need to know.
Palin had a degree in Communications??? I slept through that in class and passed.
If I interviewed her for an executive position in my company...she would not get the job...simple.
The only job requirement for POTUS is in the Constitution so Obama was equally as qualified as the rest of them. POTUS is not a govt. job.
I have an AA in comms...are you belittling me!
I'm sure Palin's application would have been wonderful, particularly where she put "I can see Russia from m'back yard!" under relevant foreign policy experience.In polling news, Obama's up 6 in Gallup. Schwing.
It is an utter absurdity to compare Obama and Palin.
The fact Palin became a Governor of one of our states is an idictment of the process in Alaska more than anything.
Scary.
Grin...from your posts I think you are infinitely more qualified tha Palin.
Nobody wants to titty-feck me. She'd thrash me in an election.
What's with stating the obvious? Of course Obama is entitled to run for POTUS.
Red Dreams: You said that Bush was under qualified to be President. The point made was that you could say on all clear and measurable levels of experience, Obama was/is less qualified than Bush, and probably Palin. You didn't define what you meant by "qualified" but it was pretty obvious that when people say 'qualified' they usually mean education and job experience.
What's with stating the ridiculous?
There are no list of qualifications that make a great president. Bush Sr was a war hero, senator, congressman, ambassador to the UN, chairman of the RNC, "ambassador" to China, director of the CIA and vice president for 8 years. Look at how he turned out.
What's with stating the obvious? Of course Obama is entitled to run for POTUS.
Red Dreams: You said that Bush was under qualified to be President. The point made was that you could say on all clear and measurable levels of experience, Obama was/is less qualified than Bush, and probably Palin. You didn't define what you meant by "qualified" but it was pretty obvious that when people say 'qualified' they usually mean education and job experience.
The reason we make presidential candidates go through such a rigourous process to get our votes is that we need a heck off a lot more than just qualifications and experience.
McCain for example had all the experience anyone would need. So what? what was his vision for his country. Obama articulated a vision that people could identuify with. In this election, why is Romney so disconnected. Why is Obama still miles better according to the American people? Are you seriously saying by some arbitrary measure a person could ne more 'qualified'? When you stand to be chosen President you got go through numerous 'tests' by the American people.
Even then some not qualified get through like Bush.
For me, Gore and Kerry would have been much better choises. But they made very poor 'sales'.
The choice of Palin in a way was an indictment on Mccain. A crucial decision...and he failed.
Palin does not havemuch tits to speak off
. But I have a feeling she would give great head though.
That's just factually wrong, though.
Indeed. I mean, what would Palin have even offered if McCain had won? He wouldn't have taken a shred of advice from her on anything other than maybe legislation to do with Alaska or disabled kids. Biden OTOH provides counsel to Obama on numerous issues and has been a valuable member of the team.
Palin was just chosen to revive a flagging campaign. Country first?...my arse!
What a load of nonsense. So many double-standards.
Bush passed the test over and over again. He was Gov of Texas, beat a really good candidate, then got re-elected, was one of the most popular Texas gov's ever. He beat Gore on electoral-vote (the vote that decides who is President), Gore was also articulate, experienced and popular. Bush won that battle. He then again, got re-elected against Kerry. You said the presidency is rigorous, yes it is, Bush won twice. He was qualified to be President, and was.
I bet Palin was the first person to use the term "c'nuppins".
Please explain why it's factually wrong?
On executive experience, Palin was more qualified. The white house is a executive job.
Bush won because Gore ran away from Clinton and Harris stole Florida.
Good you mention Biden. It is clear he and the President have a close relationship...and Obama does not always take all his advice. But he still respects the honesty and loyalty of Biden.
Biden in a way reminds me of Mccain. I still think Mccain would have been the best choice in 2000...but by the time it came to 2008...the teabaggers were well on their way to taking over the party...and Mccain 'made the deal'.
Still I respect the man for putting down that stupid woman who called Obama an arab.
Romney is not fit to clean McCain's shoes....
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