US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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It's annoying how many times they use the phrase 'middle-class' and how seldom they talk about the poor. I was in NY, DC and Philly for the past two weeks and the number of homeless people I saw was staggering.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
It's annoying how many times they use the phrase 'middle-class' and how seldom they talk about the poor.
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The poor vote is sewn up though. Everybody knows that the repubs don't give a feck about poor people so there's no point trying to win them over. The poor who won't vote for Obama mostly won't vote for him because of religious issues and some crazy perception that he's attacking their gun rights. The clinging to guns and religion thing was very true.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
It's annoying how many times they use the phrase 'middle-class' and how seldom they talk about the poor. I was in NY, DC and Philly for the past two weeks and the number of homeless people I saw was staggering.
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The poor and the rich are pretty much seen as sewn up I suppose, the middle class is their base and so they talk about them and what is important to them.
 
Can someone who is a little more intimate with American Politics than me explain whether they think a Romney loss would result in the Republican Party going further right, or towards the centre? Both seem somewhat plausible to me. It could be argued from the Republicans that the reason they lost is that Romney was essentially a moderate. And to be fair, he probably is, as American right-wing politics go. Just look at his governorship. So they could want to push it further right.

On the other hand, Romney has clearly been facing right during this whole nomination and maybe also election process. Less so with the election than the nomination, up to the Ryan pick. Perhaps they finally realize that the Tea Party is not the direction the Republican Party should take to get back the White House.

Any input?
 
niMic said:
Can someone who is a little more intimate with American Politics than me explain whether they think a Romney loss would result in the Republican Party going further right, or towards the centre? Both seem somewhat plausible to me. It could be argued from the Republicans that the reason they lost is that Romney was essentially a moderate. And to be fair, he probably is, as American right-wing politics go. Just look at his governorship. So they could want to push it further right.

On the other hand, Romney has clearly been facing right during this whole nomination and maybe also election process. Less so with the election than the nomination, up to the Ryan pick. Perhaps they finally realize that the Tea Party is not the direction the Republican Party should take to get back the White House.

Any input?
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Because the people in power behind the scenes of the repub party will no longer stand for the loony positions that have led them down this road. They'd give more backing to the moderate voices in the party like Huntsman maybe. They misread the 2010 election result badly IMO and over-played their hand thinking that it would get them the presidency.
 
'The finest warriors in the history of the world', is that a boast?
 
I like the way this speech is painting Romney as the robot driven by balance sheets and cost/benefit analysis on everything from bailouts to foreign policy. Americans like their prez to have the human side...I doubt anybody would want to have a beer with Romney.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
It's annoying how many times they use the phrase 'middle-class' and how seldom they talk about the poor. I was in NY, DC and Philly for the past two weeks and the number of homeless people I saw was staggering.
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The middle class is the largest demographic, and most people don't want to be called poor even if they are. They'd rather thinks of themselves as lower-middle class than working class. That way they're still a part of the "American dream" to some extent.

Also, the poor are likely not paying much attention to politics or advertisements.
 
Sir Matt said:
The middle class is the largest demographic, and most people don't want to be called poor even if they are. They'd rather thinks of themselves as lower-middle class than working class. That way they're still a part of the "American dream" to some extent.

Also, the poor are likely not paying much attention to politics or advertisements.
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I just wish 'helping the poor' was a vote winner in itself, even with those not poor themselves.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
I just wish 'helping the poor' was a vote winner in itself, even with those not poor themselves.
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:nono: They're poor because they want to be, Mike. If they wanted to, they could be shitzillionaires like Mitt.

I wish it was, too. Unfortunately, one party demonizes the poor as leeches rather than making attempts to help them. They claim they'd rather do it privately through charities, and they do to some extent, but they would really rather ignore them and not have to worry about them.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
I just wish 'helping the poor' was a vote winner in itself, even with those not poor themselves.
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I've just always taken it as read that the poor will always be helped more by a democrat administration. I checked a little website the other day and it turns out that I'd be better off under a Romney administration but that's not what drives my vote. I'm doing alright and so I want my prez to sort out those who aren't. Romney isn't that guy.
 
The new CNN/Time poll has Obama up by 4 in Florida. Not sure how the Republicans managed to go backwards after having their convention there.
 
I've always hated this desire for them to assure us that they were poor once. It's like the 4 Yorkshiremen sketch these days with convention speeches of pols desperate to appeal to the common man.
 
Unless they have released a new poll today the 4% lead was from the 22nd to 26th August, prior to the RNC.
 
Pretty disappointment......I fully expected Clinton to play the Saxophone as Obama took the stage.
 
It's sad watching the Fox News comments under their live feed online. What a bunch of brainwashed GOP fecktards.
 
This isn't hope and change and soaring rhetoric. He's giving details and making it a clear choice between him and Rmoney.
 
Global warming, gay marriage, immigration, abortion, gays in the military. He's really going over everything. People say there's almost no difference between the parties, and nothing changes anyway. How the feck can they say that, in the face of all that? It's not even just talk, these are things that would be vastly different if the Republicans were in charge.

I'm all for political cynicism, but you can take it too far.
 
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