US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Libertarians-try-to-block-Romney-from-Wash-ballot-166488296.html

So, the GOP didn't nominate anyone in 2010's Senate election, which means that by law they are a "minor" party because their nominated candidate failed to get 5% of the vote. There are two different "laws" that say different things. The Libertarian party are trying to get the courts to rule in their favor to scrap "preferential" treatment given to the main two parties. Or to at least demonstrate the obvious advantages they have because they've made ridiculous rules for ballot access.
 
they appealed today. But the Dems have been doing a lot of groundwork to get IDs for those that have not.

Nate Silver still gives the state high chance to go for Obama.

That's very good to hear, the report I read seemed rather final so I figured the highest state court had given that ruling.
 
Hmm, so Obama had Arizona and Missouri two months ago but it's unchanged since then. Those are two pretty traditionally conservative states, I'm surprised he had them in the first place. Arizona has Mitt by 8+% now, but Missouri's only two polls listed from this month only give Mitt a 1% lead.

Still, Obama only leads by a few points in several races, Mitt has a better chance than I gave him a few weeks ago, I'd go as high as 35% now.
 
Hmm, so Obama had Arizona and Missouri two months ago but it's unchanged since then. Those are two pretty traditionally conservative states, I'm surprised he had them in the first place. Arizona has Mitt by 8+% now, but Missouri's only two polls listed from this month only give Mitt a 1% lead.

Still, Obama only leads by a few points in several races, Mitt has a better chance than I gave him a few weeks ago, I'd go as high as 35% now.

If Obama was ahead in AZ and MO a couple of months ago, it was surely by a tenth of a percentage point. Those states were always going to go Red and as such, aren't really in play as battleground states.
 
In 2004, George W. Bush got 11% of the black vote against John Kerry. In 2008, that dropped to 4% for John McCain. In an NBC/WSJ poll released today, Obama leads Romney 94-0. Yes, zero. I would have thought at least one out of the hundred or so blacks polled might have answered "Romney" sarcastically, but apparently not.


Romney is for all races....

Trust him.

He also has paid lots of taxes in the last 10 years.
 
Romney is for all races....

Trust him.

He also has paid lots of taxes in the last 10 years.

Yeah..

I remember that argument was put forth once on Bill Maher - some conservative said that the rich pay more taxes than the rest of the country combined, and (I think it was) Eliot Spitzer who asked "well, how much of the total wealth do they get?" Conservative bitch got owned.
 
The lastest poll our of Florida is by FMW/Baydoun Consulting, given a full 5 bar rating by 538, has Romney ahead by 14.6%, 54.5 to 39.9.

For contrast, the last NYT poll in Florida, some 20 days before the FMV poll, has Obama up by 6%.

Surely Ryan's 'Die old people, die!' economic plan can't be that popular there. Though he does look like the grandson that every old couple in Florida dream of. So what if he wants to turn the US into a 3rd world economy, look at that hair!
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19339528

A tropical storm forming in the Caribbean could pose a potential threat to Florida next week during the Republican National Convention.

Computer models from the US National Hurricane Center predict Tropical Storm Isaac would grow into a hurricane.

Some models had the storm striking Florida as early as Sunday.


It would be fecking hilarious if it threatened Tampa on Monday/Tuesday next week. The RNC venue and many of the hotels ear in the evacuation zone.
 
The 2008 Republican Convention, though in Minnesota, nowhere near the Gulf Coast, was effectively delayed a day by Hurricane Gustav, which gave the media all sorts of opportunity to mention the Bush Administration's response to Hurricane Katrina.

At some point, if you REALLY believe everything is God's will, you have to wonder just why it is He likes to throw hurricanes at us during Republican National Conventions.
 
The 2008 Republican Convention, though in Minnesota, nowhere near the Gulf Coast, was effectively delayed a day by Hurricane Gustav, which gave the media all sorts of opportunity to mention the Bush Administration's response to Hurricane Katrina.

At some point, if you REALLY believe everything is God's will, you have to wonder just why it is He likes to throw hurricanes at us during Republican National Conventions.

So the Repubs can say "God has a plan for us!"
 
There will be enough mentions of God to please the most diehard religious hypocrite.

...now this will be the God that wants to protect the unborn but will want children to die without health insurance. The God that wants the poor to starve. The God that wants people the work for a pittence.

I want to see their fecking God.
 
The electoral college is pretty irrelevant to the discussion. If Romney gets ahead of Obama nationwide, he'll probably be ahead in Pennsylvania and he'll definitely be ahead in Florida.

Jonathan Bernstein, a very good political scientist:

Don't Rely On The Electoral College

No, Really, Forget The Electoral College

I find both of them a bit counterintuitive. Swings are national, but for a national swing to mean anything it has to be reflected in the states, which in an electoral college system specifically boils down to the battleground states. When Obama looks like he will lose Ohio, Virginia, Florida, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania, then Romney might have a chance. Right now the way things are stacking up, its looking like a complete repeat of 2008 - 100-200 point electoral win for Obama.

It's not really counterintuitive. The state polls at this stage just aren't that meaningful.

So yeah, now that he's doing better in the national polls, the swing states are back in play for Romney

Don't all tell me I was right at once
 
So yeah, now that he's doing better in the national polls, the swing states are back in play for Romney

Don't all tell me I was right at once

Wait, so you're saying that national polls effect state polls ? That's some seriously sophisticated analysis there Plech.

He's getting slight bump from the Ryan pick but not enough to unseed Obama's lead. He may get another slight bump with the GOP convention, but that will probably be wiped out by Obama's performance at the Dem convention, which will put your argument back at square one.
 
If we have good moderators, Romney will have to explain his 'budget' which raises taxes for the rich and screws the middle class and poor.

His plans for Social Security,Medicare and Medicaid.

Then all he stands for will be crystalised and Obama will win in a landslide.
 
Wait, so you're saying that national polls effect state polls ? That's some seriously sophisticated analysis there Plech.

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But no, as before I was saying those early polling leads were irrelevant. As the race tightened nationally, it would tighten in the swing states. That's what's happened.

If we have good moderators, Romney will have to explain his 'budget' which raises taxes for the rich and screws the middle class and poor.

His plans for Social Security,Medicare and Medicaid.

Then all he stands for will be crystalised and Obama will win in a landslide.

I love your optimism, but you're a complete fantasist. There is no path to an Obama landslide, save Romney and Ryan getting caught spit-roasting an altar boy on a taxpayer-funded holiday to Cuba.

Romney didn't look like a great debater in the primary, but he's competent. The medicare stuff is too complex for anyone to understand, he'll talk about stopping the ACA cuts to medicare and Obama will try to explain that those cuts are wasted overpayments to private companies, and amid all the yawns it will be a wash. He will talk about cutting taxes, which is never a very tough sell, and when it comes to the rich he'll bang on about the American dream and 'job creators', and as usual a lot of people will buy it.
 
Have you not seen the list? I don't see any fireworks from Lehrer or Schieffer, dunno who Candy is and Raddatz is doing the VP so nothing will happen there.

not holding my breath mate.

Lehrer and Schieffer are well past their sell date.

The women, I don't know...but I doubt they would have been chosen if Romney had not said ok...so they must be 'harmless'.

If we had Chris Matthews and Wallace, it would have been interesting....
 
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But no, as before I was saying those early polling leads were irrelevant. As the race tightened nationally, it would tighten in the swing states. That's what's happened.



I love your optimism, but you're a complete fantasist. There is no path to an Obama landslide, save Romney and Ryan getting caught spit-roasting an altar boy on a taxpayer-funded holiday to Cuba.

Romney didn't look like a great debater in the primary, but he's competent. The medicare stuff is too complex for anyone to understand, he'll talk about stopping the ACA cuts to medicare and Obama will try to explain that those cuts are wasted overpayments to private companies, and amid all the yawns it will be a wash. He will talk about cutting taxes, which is never a very tough sell, and when it comes to the rich he'll bang on about the American dream and 'job creators', and as usual a lot of people will buy it.

Now I did mention good moderatores Plech :)

It wont be landslide mainly because no one will press Romney... But their Medicare plans are toxic. But it does look like they are already diluting that even..
 
Still a good chance of a hurricane or at least a major storm coming through Tampa during the RNC. Actually a major weather event and lots of rain looking very likely. It would be fecking hilarious if we went under hurricane watch and a coastal evacuation was ordered.
 
Drive by some of the security preparation for the RNC today. There is a park where the protestors are allowed to gather and they have started putting up fencing along the road from the Park to close to the RNC location. Not the usual three foot high pedestrian fences you usually see though; these feckers are about seven feet high, and thick mess not bars. They look like something you would see in the zoo.
 
Drive by some of the security preparation for the RNC today. There is a park where the protestors are allowed to gather and they have started putting up fencing along the road from the Park to close to the RNC location. Not the usual three foot high pedestrian fences you usually see though; these feckers are about seven feet high, and thick mess not bars. They look like something you would see in the zoo.

appropriate. these sub-species need to be fenced in.
 
I'm presuming you're being facetious but if not you can take the tin foil hat stuff elsewhere.

Sorry, I'm probably not up on all this information about 9/11, I was just making a really simple observation based on what I saw on that page. If you wanted to prove to someone a plane hit a building surely you'd present them with more than a pile or parts too small to make half the engine. If there are a lot more parts that prove it was a plane, that's great, I just didn't see them.

It seems a topic that people react to so emotionally that it's impossible to get to the actual information. I could possibly be convinced to have a short discussion of facts but it's probably better we didn't try, don't you agree?
 
Sorry, I'm probably not up on all this information about 9/11, I was just making a really simple observation based on what I saw on that page. If you wanted to prove to someone a plane hit a building surely you'd present them with more than a pile or parts too small to make half the engine. If there are a lot more parts that prove it was a plane, that's great, I just didn't see them.

It seems a topic that people react to so emotionally that it's impossible to get to the actual information. I could possibly be convinced to have a short discussion of facts but it's probably better we didn't try, don't you agree?

For starters, I did not go into full detail of all the debates and other evidence pointing towards a plane striking the Pentagon that I provided to the CT nuts.

Secondly, that website has plenty of other evidence not just the one portion you may have viewed, some of photos were used in a federal court case.

Finally, you are more than welcome to discuss "facts" but please do not attempt to post tripe such as Loose Change, 911truth.org shit, etc, if you are indeed going to take the CT side of the argument. Plenty of CTs have been debunked not only on the internet but also within the CAF.

Also, it might be best to open a separate thread if you are desiring a discussion about 9/11. There have been a few threads posted in regards to the 911 topic.
 
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But no, as before I was saying those early polling leads were irrelevant. As the race tightened nationally, it would tighten in the swing states. That's what's happened.



I love your optimism, but you're a complete fantasist. There is no path to an Obama landslide, save Romney and Ryan getting caught spit-roasting an altar boy on a taxpayer-funded holiday to Cuba.

Romney didn't look like a great debater in the primary, but he's competent. The medicare stuff is too complex for anyone to understand, he'll talk about stopping the ACA cuts to medicare and Obama will try to explain that those cuts are wasted overpayments to private companies, and amid all the yawns it will be a wash. He will talk about cutting taxes, which is never a very tough sell, and when it comes to the rich he'll bang on about the American dream and 'job creators', and as usual a lot of people will buy it.

Obama ran a really impressive campaign last time out, not only did he cut an impressive figure but, from what I read, had a team that did a fantastic job of getting people out to vote. I was registered to vote by one of the people his contribution money sent door to door, for example, something I'd never experienced before.

Of course for many Obama has failed to cash in on the capital he had to create real change in Washington, but I expect he'll run a campaign, 'on the ground' as they call it, that will be just as effective as Romney's.

As far as the political fight, it seems Obama hasn't even warmed up yet. All the talk has been about Romney, for good or for bad. Once Obama starts to focus on what he want to accomplish in his 2nd term rather than what's wrong with Romney then I think we'll see the numbers going back in his direction.

Romney can come back and win a fair portion of the States where he's within a few percentage points, I just don't think he can get enough to win the election.

Here's the likely vote break down at the moment, Romney would do very well to hold onto Florida and Carolina, taking the 45 more votes he'd need to win from the list of Obama probables is hard to see, interestingly the 4 states where Obama's lead is the smallest (Michigan, Virginia, Colorado and Iowa) add up to 44 votes and a tie. In which case the House of Representatives each cast 1 vote and unless the Democrats do very well this term Romney would win. I'd say that's Romney's best chance, but winning Michigan and Virginia (and Colorado and Iowa) while holding onto Florida and North Carolina is quite a challenge. I still wouldn't say that's more than about 30% likely.


538 total votes, 270 to win:

Solid Obama: 221 [CA, OR, WA, NM, MN, NY, PA, DC, MD, DE, NJ, CT, RI, MA, VT, HI, IL, ME]

Solid Romney: 181 [AZ, UT, ID, WY, ND, SD, NE, KS, TX, OK, LA, AR, MS, AL, TN, KY, GA, SC, WV, AK, MT]

Obama [82 votes, needs 49 to win]
Colorado: +0.9% (9)
Iowa: 1.8 (6)
Virginia: 2.5 (13)
Michigan: 3.1 (16)
Ohio: 3.2 (18)
Wisconsin: 3.3 (10)
Nevada: 3.8 (6)
New Hampshire: 4.6 (4)

[54 votes, needs 89 to win]
North Carolina: +0.1 (15)
Florida: 1.9 (29)
Missouri: 4.2 (10)

All %s are current polling averages from 538.
 
For starters, I did not go into full detail of all the debates and other evidence pointing towards a plane striking the Pentagon that I provided to the CT nuts.

Secondly, that website has plenty of other evidence not just the one portion you may have viewed, some of photos were used in a federal court case.

Finally, you are more than welcome to discuss "facts" but please do not attempt to post tripe such as Loose Change, 911truth.org shit, etc, if you are indeed going to take the CT side of the argument. Plenty of CTs have been debunked not only on the internet but also within the CAF.

Also, it might be best to open a separate thread if you are desiring a discussion about 9/11. There have been a few threads posted in regards to the 911 topic.

I'll admit I'm tempted, but I'm very doubtful that such a thread bump would be productive. You and I might want to discuss facts but I suspect we'd be overwhelmed.

The other problem is the topic is fecking depressing, and no matter the conclusions it has absolutely no bearing on my day to day existence.
 
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