US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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I just posted a factcheck.org rebuttal on his page so I can only imagine the ludicrous response(s) that is/are imminent. His friends list is loaded with anti-government/CT loons, including his fiance. She changed him.

This CT nut posted an image of the twin towers that Iraq (and Afghanistan, and Syria, et al) didn't do it. No shit sherlock, Al Qaeda did. She's convinced him it was all perpetrated by Bush & Cheney despite all the evidence and facts I've constantly rebutted their nonsensical posts. She ultimately deleted me after I provided her the link with images used in the trial against Moussaoui because I insulted her mother, another nitwit CT loon, during a FB debate. Boo hoo.

Btw, if ever needed here are images from inside the Pentagon.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/index.html
 
Swift Boat revisited



Freedom, freedom... such a unique concept t the US.. always fighting for it even though other countries don't seem to have to as often. The Industrial-Military complex ought to trademark that word!

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OPSEC, Special Forces Group, Attacks Obama Over Bin Laden Bragging, Leaks
Reuters | 08/15/2012 9:30 pm

By Mark Hosenball

WASHINGTON Aug 14 (Reuters) - A group of former U.S. intelligence and Special Forces operatives is set to launch a media campaign, including TV ads, that scolds President Barack Obama for taking credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden and arg u es that high-level leaks are endangering American lives.

Leaders of the group, the Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund Inc, say it is nonpartisan and unconnected to any political party or presidential campaign. It is registered as a so-called social welfare group, which means its primary purpose is to further the common good and its political activities should be secondary.

In the past, military exploits have been turned against presidential candidates by outside groups, most famously the Swift Boat ads in 2004 that questioned Democratic nominee John Kerry's Vietnam War service.

The OPSEC group says it is not political and aims to save American lives. Its first public salvo is a 22-minute film that includes criticism of Obama and his administration. The film, to be released on Wednesday, was seen in advance by Reuters.

"Mr. President, you did not kill Osama bin Laden, America did. The work that the American military has done killed Osama bin Laden. You did not," Ben Smith, identified as a Navy SEAL, says in the film.

"As a citizen, it is my civic duty to tell the president to stop leaking information to the enemy," Smith continues. "It will get Americans killed."

An Obama campaign official said: "No one in this group is in a position to speak with any authority on these issues and on what impact these leaks might have, and it's clear they've resorted to making things up for purely political reasons."

Obama has highlighted his foreign policy record on the campaign trail, emphasizing how he presided over the killing of bin Laden, as well as how he ended the war in Iraq and set a timeline for winding down the war in Afghanistan.

However, Obama has come under sharp attack from Republican lawmakers who have accused his administration of being behind high-level leaks of classified information.

They have pointed to media reports about clandestine drone attacks, informants planted in al Qaeda affiliates and alleged cyber-warfare against Iran that Republicans say were calculated to promote Obama's image as a strong leader in an election year.

The White House has denied leaking classified information.

The president of Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund Inc, Scott Taylor, is a former Navy SEAL who in 2010 ran unsuccessfully for the Republican nomination for a congressional seat in Virginia.

Calling itself "OPSEC" for short - which in spy jargon means "operational security" - the anti-leak group incorporated last June in Delaware, a state that has the most secretive corporate registration rules in the U.S.

It also set itself up as a nonprofit organization under section 501(c)4 of the U.S. Tax Code, allowing it to keep donors' identities secret. Spokesmen for the group declined to discuss its sources of financing.

Several group representatives say their main motivation for setting up OPSEC was dismay at recent detailed media leaks about sensitive operations.

In an interview, Taylor denied OPSEC had any political slant. He described the group as a "watchdog organization" but added that the current administration "has certainly leaked more than others."

OPSEC spokesmen said the group has about $1 million at its disposal and hopes to raise more after the release of its mini-documentary, entitled "Dishonorable Disclosures," which aims, in spy-movie style, to document a recent spate of leaks regarding sensitive intelligence and military operations.

Following the film's release, OPSEC's spokesmen said, the group expects to produce TV spots on the anti-leak theme that will air in a number of states, including Virginia, Florida, Ohio, Colorado, North Carolina and Nevada - key battleground states.

Fred Rustmann, a former undercover case officer for the CIA who is a spokesman for the group, insisted its focus on leaks was "not a partisan concern." But he said the current administration had been leaking secrets "to help this guy get re-elected, at the expense of peoples' lives.... We want to see that they don't do this again."

Chad Kolton, a former spokesman for the office of Director of National Intelligence during the George W. Bush administration who now represents OPSEC, also said the group's message and make-up are nonpolitical.

"You'll see throughout the film that concern about protecting the lives of intelligence and Special Forces officers takes precedence over partisanship," he said.

Responding to criticism about the president taking credit for the bin Laden raid, an Obama campaign official pointed to an interview with CNN last month in which Admiral Bill McRaven, commander of the raid, said: "At the end of the day, make no mistake about it, it was the president of the United States that shouldered the burden for this operation, that made the hard decisions, that was instrumental in the planning process, because I pitched every plan to him."

"I think Admiral McRaven knows more about the President's role in the bin Laden operation than this group," the campaign official said.
 
Umm, color me drunk, but I recall the President giving credit to the Seal Team, CIA, and everyone else involved and the only thing he took credit for was giving the direct order.

Funny that had the operation gone horribly wrong the President would have been blasted by media and the GOP and its supporters. Fox News would have a week-long party.
 
I know nothing about this but I'm going to comment on it anyway because, well, it's the internet.

But surely all you need to know is this part:

Responding to criticism about the president taking credit for the bin Laden raid, an Obama campaign official pointed to an interview with CNN last month in which Admiral Bill McRaven, commander of the raid, said: "At the end of the day, make no mistake about it, it was the president of the United States that shouldered the burden for this operation, that made the hard decisions, that was instrumental in the planning process, because I pitched every plan to him."
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the commander of the raid.
 
So, a bunch of guys who are unassociated with any part of the operation are making these claims? Color me surprised.

Also, does the GOP not remember Valerie Plame? Their VP and his chief of staff leaking tons of things in the lead-up to the Iraq War?
 
Sir Matt said:
So, a bunch of guys who are unassociated with any part of the operation are making these claims? Color me surprised.

Also, does the GOP not remember Valerie Plame? Their VP and his chief of staff leaking tons of things in the lead-up to the Iraq War?
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Plus these are low level operational guys talking.

Its like the salesman of a company giving advice to a CEO on how to run a company.

They are tactical and not strategic so will not have a clue what needs to be done in the background. Unfortunately the general public will just see the name "Former SEAL Team member" tagged to their names and think differently.

He took the gutsier call and was very logical in his approach according the many involved.
 
MrMarcello said:
I just posted a factcheck.org rebuttal on his page so I can only imagine the ludicrous response(s) that is/are imminent. His friends list is loaded with anti-government/CT loons, including his fiance. She changed him.

This CT nut posted an image of the twin towers that Iraq (and Afghanistan, and Syria, et al) didn't do it. No shit sherlock, Al Qaeda did. She's convinced him it was all perpetrated by Bush & Cheney despite all the evidence and facts I've constantly rebutted their nonsensical posts. She ultimately deleted me after I provided her the link with images used in the trial against Moussaoui because I insulted her mother, another nitwit CT loon, during a FB debate. Boo hoo.

Btw, if ever needed here are images from inside the Pentagon.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/index.html
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What am I supposed to be seeing in the link?
 
The president of Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund Inc, Scott Taylor, is a former Navy SEAL who in 2010 ran unsuccessfully for the Republican nomination for a congressional seat in Virginia.
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Nothing to see here people...move along. And this matters not one iota.

Also like anyone is going to change their mind on who to vote for based on this issue. Military personnel/families you say? You'd think they'd know a bit more about the ins and out of this sort of thing than your average civilian...so it shouldn't cloud their decision making.
 
Sir Matt said:
So, a bunch of guys who are unassociated with any part of the operation are making these claims? Color me surprised.

Also, does the GOP not remember Valerie Plame? Their VP and his chief of staff leaking tons of things in the lead-up to the Iraq War?
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So why was Chenney not shot for treason for outing an American covert agent?...oh...yes Libby took the blame. So why is he not dead?
 
gooDevil said:
What am I supposed to be seeing in the link?
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There are images of plane wreckage and charred bodies inside the Pentagon, yet CTs spout on about it being a missile attack. I guess these inside job personnel had the ability to plant melted plane parts inside the Pentagon without being caught.
 
The latest gallup poll has Romney 2% up. Its also one of the larger polls with the smallest margin or error:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150743/Obama-Romney.aspx

The Romney adverts in Florida have been very good the last few days. They have been sticking to the economy and Obama's failed promises from 2008.

Its hard to imagine the American public voting Romney in BUT they did pick GW TWICE.
 
With the advantageous way the electoral votes are stacking for Obama I can see him losing the popular vote by several points and still winning the national election. The variance between the popular vote and the electoral vote can be very great, though I'm not aware of another president besides GW Bush that lost the popular vote but won the election.



Votes
Obama: 53%
McCain: 47%

GW Bush: 53%
Kerry: 47%

GW Bush: 48.3%
Gore: 48.9%
Nader: 2.8%

Clinton: 50%
Dole: 41%
Perot: 9%

Clinton: 43%
Bush: 38%
Perot: 19%


Electoral Votes
Obama : 68%
McCain : 32%

GW Bush: 51%
Kerry: 49%

GW Bush: 50.3%
Gore: 49.7%

Clinton: 70%
Dole: 30%

Clinton: 69%
Bush: 31%
 
Watching Hannity before and they had David Limbaugh on who denied Romneybot being a flip-flopper :wenger:

Also had to laugh at Hannity trotting out a couple of Rasmussen polls (which are Repub-aligned, no?) that had Romney up by one or two points in FL and WI, where the poll had something like a -/+4% MoE
 
I am reminded of a conversation on another forum about voter turnout, is there no concern Stateside surrounding the poor state of affairs in this area?

Looking at comparison between the UK and the US during the post-war era, Britain is in a bother as of recent years but America has seen sub-60% turnout on numerous occasions.

I can't suppose that either the present economic situation nor cast of characters up for election will encourage a figure close to that of 08, which itself was a relative high.
 
MrMarcello said:
I don't know much about the Daily Kos but this is an interesting read on Paul Ryan.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/13/1119884/-Paul-Ryan-calls-progressives-a-cancer

I'm hearing this 'handmaid's tale' and 'paul ryan' being linked. Thoughts?
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The Dailykos is a sharp left democrat blog/comment site. In fact... It actively campaigned against Hillary Clinton, because she was considered a "moderate" by Kos.

Careful of the bullshit. Got to remember that the democrats actually started the Jeremiah Wright and Obama birth certificate stories too.
 
Federal Court Rules Florida’s Shortening Of Early Voting Discriminates Against Blacks

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme...es_floridas_shortening_of_early_v.php?ref=fpb

A panel of federal judges ruled late Thursday that a Florida law that limits the number of early voting days cannot be implemented in several counties because it would have an adverse impact on minority turnout.

Several counties in Florida are covered by Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, which requires certain areas with a history of racial discrimination to have changes to their election laws and procedures precleared by either a federal court or the Justice Department.

The three judge panel ruled that minorities “will be disproportionately affected by the changes in early voting procedures because they disproportionately use early in-person voting.”

“In sum, Florida is left with nothing to rebut either the testimony of the defendants’ witnesses or the common-sense judgment that a dramatic reduction in the form of voting that is disproportionately used by African-Americans would make it materially more difficult for some minority voters to cast a ballot than under the benchmark law,” the court ruled.
 
Anyone want to guess Paul Ryan's favorite band?

Here you go:

No, Really. That's his favorite band.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/13/u...tml?_r=1&gwh=C8C41AD66713D23FBA8A9C1E79C257A9

Yet even if he is viewed as politically pure by the modern-day standards of his party’s base, he is not without contradictions. The nation’s first Generation X vice-presidential candidate, he is an avowed proponent of free markets whose family has interests in oil leases. But he counts Rage Against the Machine, which sings about the greed of oil companies and whose Web site praises the anti-corporate Occupy Wall Street movement, among his favorite bands.
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Apparently Tampa has the highest amount of advertising dollars being thrown at it by both parties.....fecking great three months of none stop political adverts.
 
gooDevil said:
I can guarantee you Rage Against the Machine don't like him.
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You're right there.

By Tom Morello

August 16, 2012 6:44 PM ET

Last week, Mitt Romney picked Paul Ryan, the Republican architect of Congress's radical right-wing budget plan, as his running mate. Ryan has previously cited Rage Against the Machine as one of his favorite bands. Rage guitarist Tom Morello responds in this exclusive op-ed.

Paul Ryan's love of Rage Against the Machine is amusing, because he is the embodiment of the machine that our music has been raging against for two decades. Charles Manson loved the Beatles but didn't understand them. Governor Chris Christie loves Bruce Springsteen but doesn't understand him. And Paul Ryan is clueless about his favorite band, Rage Against the Machine.


Ryan claims that he likes Rage's sound, but not the lyrics. Well, I don't care for Paul Ryan's sound or his lyrics. He can like whatever bands he wants, but his guiding vision of shifting revenue more radically to the one percent is antithetical to the message of Rage.


I wonder what Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "feck the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at Young Republican meetings!


Don't mistake me, I clearly see that Ryan has a whole lotta "rage" in him: A rage against women, a rage against immigrants, a rage against workers, a rage against gays, a rage against the poor, a rage against the environment. Basically the only thing he's not raging against is the privileged elite he's groveling in front of for campaign contributions.


You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser." Some of these guys on the extreme right are more cynical than Paul Ryan, but he seems to really believe in this stuff. This unbridled rage against those who have the least is a cornerstone of the Romney-Ryan ticket.


But Rage's music affects people in different ways. Some tune out what the band stands for and concentrate on the moshing and throwing elbows in the pit. For others, Rage has changed their minds and their lives. Many activists around the world, including organizers of the global occupy movement, were radicalized by Rage Against the Machine and work tirelessly for a more humane and just planet. Perhaps Paul Ryan was moshing when he should have been listening.


My hope is that maybe Paul Ryan is a mole. Maybe Rage did plant some sensible ideas in this extreme fringe right wing nut job. Maybe if elected, he'll pardon Leonard Peltier. Maybe he'll throw U.S. military support behind the Zapatistas. Maybe he'll fill Guantanamo Bay with the corporate criminals that are funding his campaign – and then torture them with Rage music 24/7. That's one possibility. But I'm not betting on it.
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sglowrider said:
How is this possible? Didnt he run in the primaries there? Or he figured why bother?
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It isn't. The Liberterian party is suing to get the Republican Party off the ballot claiming that it no longer qualifies under Washington State Law as a major political party and therefore should not be on the ballot. Unfortunately for them, under the law it does in fact qualify and therefore their lawsuit will get no where.
 
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