US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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There must be some embarrassingly low taxes there, but as long as it's legal he could explain it away. My guess is it's the extent of his donations to the Mormon church he's worried about. He doesn't want the Mormon thing to dominate the news.

It's odd that McCain hasn't said more. He's seen the returns, and he has no love lost for Harry Reid. So why hasn't he taken the opportunity to confirm that Reid is lying?

The speculation was that should Romney reveal what his real income was, the Mormon church would know that he held back on his tithe to the church.
But I also think he must have paid nominal taxes during those years.


..perhaps McCain cannot really defend Romney??
 
This is going to plague him until he releases them. He's obviously hiding something that could damage his candidacy.
 
Romney Wants Business Record Removed From Obama Campaign Attacks

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/10/romney-business-record-attack-ads_n_1765601.html

Mitt Romney appears to be seeking an agreement with the Obama campaign to remove his business record from the conversation, a sign that the repeated attacks on his tenure at private equity firm Bain Capital may be getting under the presumptive Republican presidential candidate's skin.

NBC's First Read has the following excerpt from Romney's interview with Chuck Todd, conducted Thursday as part of a forthcoming documentary on MSNBC, in which he said he would like a pledge with Obama barring "personal" attack ads:

“[O]** campaign would be-- helped immensely if we had an agreement between both campaigns that we were only going to talk about issues and that attacks based upon-- business or family or taxes or things of that nature."

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“[W]e only talk about issues. And we can talk about the differences between our positions and our opponent's position.” Romney said of his own campaign: “[O]** ads haven't gone after the president personally. … [W]e haven't dredged up the old stuff that people talked about last time around. We haven't gone after the personal things.”

In response, First Read asked, "Is Romney really saying that scrutinizing his business record -- which he has held up as one of his chief qualifications to be president -- is personal?"

The comments come in the wake of a controversial ad by pro-Obama super PAC Priorities USA Action, linking a woman's cancer-related death to the decision by Bain Capital, once led by Romney, to close down a steel plant. The ad posits that the woman's husband, who is featured in the ad, lost his job and health insurance and was therefore unable to provide health care for his wife when she needed it the most.

While that ad did not come from the Obama campaign itself, the president's reelection team has also hammered away at Romney's business record, branding him an "Outsourcer-in-Chief," and releasing numerous attack ads focused on Romney's time at Bain Capital.

To date, Romney has insisted that the attacks are personal, but the interview with MSNBC would be the first time the former Massachusetts governor has requested the Obama campaign to stop talking about his business record -- as he appears to imply in the quote.

But Romney himself has touted that same record throughout his candidacy, frequently making the case that his private enterprise background would enable him to serve as a better commander-in-chief than President Barack Obama.

Romney's remarks also ignore the fact that the super PACs and outside groups backing his presidential bid and other Republicans have been no less negative than those aligned with Obama and Democrats.

The issue of negative campaigning notwithstanding, recent polling has indicated that voters have an increasingly unfavorable opinion of Romney -- a sign that the scrutiny around his tax returns, and attacks on his background at Bain Capital, are leaving their mark on voters in key swing states across the country.

When The Huffington Post reached out to the Romney campaign for comment, campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul did not clarify if Romney was, in fact, asking Team Obama to drop the business talk.

"The governor was expressing his view that he hopes we can have a campaign focused on the issues rather than one of desperation and lies as we’ve seen from the Obama campaign," Saul responded in an email.

amazing :lol: :lol:

think I just saw the white flag being raised.
 
great post I saw elsewhere.

Dear Mr. Romney,
We have contacted you now several times regarding your missing tax returns for years ending 2000 through 2011. To date we have only received a partial return for year ending 2010 and a "projection" of taxes for year ending 2011. Unfortunately this is inadequate documentation to evaluate your financial history and allegiances, which are critical to understand your previous behavior.

Given the disappointing Swiss bank accounts and Cayman shell corporations that we have previously discussed, these documents are now critical to better understand your past financial background. This understanding is in turn required in order to make an informed decision regarding your capability to perform the financially sensitive position that you have applied for.

If you have recently released the tax returns for years ending 2000-2011, please accept our sincere apology and we will continue to evaluate your application. If however we do not receive your tax records for the years ending 2000-2011 , we regret that we will be unable to process your application, and unable to consider you for the position for which you have applied.

If this is the case, we want to send our appreciation for your effort and application and encourage you to reapply when you are better able to meet with our admittedly high standards.

Thank You and Best Regards.

The American People.
 
did you hear that crash?


that was the Republicans jaws dropping....'what the feck have we done???'

Excal you have to admit...there is every possibility this guy may drop out...

Not a chance. The candidate himself knows this is his only shot. The delegates were all handpicked Romney supporters, so they won't revolt barring something that makes him truly unelectable. Replacing the candidate at this stage would be pure chaos, and frankly would do nothing to improve the GOP's chances. They might as well let Mitt go out there on Dole duty and lose.
 
think Romney really underestimated what a Presidential run entailed. He wanted the Presidency to be his crowing achievement after all the money he made.

But he must have been very poorly advised. Tax Returns for an 'ordinary' candidate would have been required. But for someone of so much wealth....

Also surely he must have known his Bain activities would come back to haunt him.

...and his Primary shift to the hard right...really killed him. I mean embracing a budget that eliminates medicare and social security as we know it..and expecting to win.

tbf the current GOP is as far right as can be.

His goose is cooked...
 
Not a chance. The candidate himself knows this is his only shot. The delegates were all handpicked Romney supporters, so they won't revolt barring something that makes him truly unelectable. Replacing the candidate at this stage would be pure chaos, and frankly would do nothing to improve the GOP's chances. They might as well let Mitt go out there on Dole duty and lose.

I was more thinking he would decline the nomination.

But I suppose it is too late. His national numbers are scary. These will trickle down to the states. Even with all the voter suppression they are doing, I dont see it.

Was speaking to my boss a Republican about the letter that we got back from the health insurance company about saying 80% needs to be spent of medical care. I said he should support the ACA. He agreed..he would be' voting to support it'. ;)
 
Saw this one today airing on CNN nonetheless but have read it's really making the rounds on FNC.

Terrible advert. Sounds more like a TV commercial -- selling aluminium sidings or something. And its a bit late now considering that he has been around for 3 1/2 yrs.

Maybe its a guerrilla warfare, reverse psychology on the part of the Obama S-PACS to rile up the undecideds.
 
think Romney really underestimated what a Presidential run entailed. He wanted the Presidency to be his crowing achievement after all the money he made.

But he must have been very poorly advised. Tax Returns for an 'ordinary' candidate would have been required. But for someone of so much wealth....

Also surely he must have known his Bain activities would come back to haunt him.

...and his Primary shift to the hard right...really killed him. I mean embracing a budget that eliminates medicare and social security as we know it..and expecting to win.

tbf the current GOP is as far right as can be.

His goose is cooked...

100 days to go but its kinda weird that he was so aggressive during the primaries but is so timid now.

Its like winning the semi-finals of the CL and then thinking you made it already and won the lot.
The Obama campaigners on the other hand must be using the Art of War to a whole new level. Sharp minds and every sharper executioners.
 
100 days to go but its kinda weird that he was so aggressive during the primaries but is so timid now.

Its like winning the semi-finals of the CL and then thinking you made it already and won the lot.
The Obama campaigners on the other hand must be using the Art of War to a whole new level. Sharp minds and every sharper executioners.

the Bain attacks and the demand for his tax returns have taken the wind out of him.

I agree Obama's killer strategy is sending his supporters into delirium. Democrats are saying they have not seen such tough politics.
 
Not a chance Romney will do anything drastic having come this far and spent this much of some very rich men's money. He's a fairly cool customer and won't be freaking out at Obama having a good month in the middle of summer. The national polls are still mostly neck-and-neck and he's just got some good numbers in Iowa.

Why is Romney's campaign calling him "the governor"? That was aeons ago.

At least he was once a governor, unlike Paul Ince
 
You mean the Antichrist? That's not surprising, he's the sort of Republican you'd grow in a test tube.

He's a huge Ayn Rand supporter, but at least on one occasion denied it.

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He is a favorite of the Tea Party people...so this should excite them, and give Romney a bit of a boost in the polls...but Ryan and some of his policies sound pretty extreme to me...not sure too many independents are going to be pleased with this pick.
 
If he picks Paul Ryan, that's gg for the GOP. Because clearly Romney hadn't tacked far enough right...
 
the Bain attacks and the demand for his tax returns have taken the wind out of him.

I agree Obama's killer strategy is sending his supporters into delirium. Democrats are saying they have not seen such tough politics.

The bain attacks will be all but useless come election day.
 
This means he's betting everything on the people's view of the economy. It's a choice between what Obama's been doing and going back to the old way of cutting taxes for the rich and fecking over poor people.
 
This means he's betting everything on the people's view of the economy.

That's what he's been doing the whole time, while fretfully covering his right arse-cheek in case the base don't turn up.

I'm not sure Ryan isn't a mistake, though. He may be the golden boy of the right but will he appeal to independents? And he's so ambitious - if ROmney wins will he be controllable? You don't really want a Vice President who goes round doing things.
 
Not a chance Romney will do anything drastic having come this far and spent this much of some very rich men's money. He's a fairly cool customer and won't be freaking out at Obama having a good month in the middle of summer. The national polls are still mostly neck-and-neck and he's just got some good numbers in Iowa.



At least he was once a governor, unlike Paul Ince

incey bossed around men more than empty suit romney has ever done.

:devil:-guv'nor 2012.
 
Ryan is probably the least worst pick Romney could've made. He will help him in Wisconsin where Obama has a decent lead at the moment, as well as give him more credibility among Conservatives who are leery of Romney's flip-floppy moderate Massachusetts gubernatorial background. More Republicans will probably turn out for Romney than had he chosen a generic moderate like Pawlenty. Conversely, Ryan's austerity obsessed views on a variety of topics should make for good attacking points for Obama and Biden during the debates.
 
I don't think winning over the independants came into the equation here. Romney wants this election to be about the economy. Ryan's made his name as a sort of expert on the economy. Thats all there is to it really.

He's hoping the details and reality are not as important as the perception.

They might well be though I'm hoping not.
 
Was Romney's problem really that he wasn't conservative enough in this election? From what I've seen of Ryan, he's not exactly one to make the Independents change their minds.

Romney is a hostage to the loons on the right. He could never walk back from going so far right during the primaries.

Ryan is on record for being a Ayn Rand disciple.

Tax cuts for the rich and death to the poor :)

It will be fun to see Willard squirm as he tries to disagree with his VP pick...when he is confronted with the reality of what Ryan's real beliefs are.
 
I do worry a bit about Biden facing Ryan in the debates. But the election will hardly hinge on the VP debates.

Biden is sharp..and importantly your average Joe likes him. Ryan comes across as a nerdy freak who has nothing in common with the average guy...and he thinks it is fine to screw you over.

Anyway, the Obama team are not going to go after Ryan. They will go after everything Ryan believes to destroy Romney. Now Romney cannot be vague...he is defined by what Ryan is.
 
You're a relentless optimist RD!

I think they've decided it's better to have him inside than out. He's a very skilful politician by all accounts. And the media, for some reason, don't perceive him as a wingnut.

He's terrifying though.
 
You're a relentless optimist RD!

I think they've decided it's better to have him inside than out. He's a very skilful politician by all accounts. And the media, for some reason, don't perceive him as a wingnut.

He's terrifying though.

Actually I am a realist. There are 'more of us'. That is what I am betting on in the long term.

As for Ryan...his work has been used to attack Romney...just cause he said he loves his plan.

Now he cannot dispute any part of that plan. The Obama team will not attack Ryan. They will use Ryan to destroy Romney.
 
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