Ryan got ripped to bits on NPR a few days ago. Hypocritical tool had to rely on SS when his father died and now he wants to strip it down.
US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012
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Biden is a decent debater. He will have the best of the best preparing him for whatever Ryan throws at him (which won't be a lot). Conversely, Biden will be able to play the senior citizen card against Ryan's social policies.
I think this is a good move for Romney.
He was deemed as a bit of a flip floper. Ryan can exploit the only weakness in the Obama camp: That's he's not really been that good at sorting out the economic chaos with his european-style policies. Obama hasn't done anything near enough to solve the US budget (federal and state budgets) at all.
He was deemed as a bit of a flip floper. Ryan can exploit the only weakness in the Obama camp: That's he's not really been that good at sorting out the economic chaos with his european-style policies. Obama hasn't done anything near enough to solve the US budget (federal and state budgets) at all.
The media surrogates will tear apart Ryan. The Obama team will go after Willard.
This just moved the seniors and the Blue Color vote to the Dems.
Does this mean Wisconsin will go GOP?
Dude, surrogate always attack the candidates. Is this your first election or something?
Nothing "moves" people to the dems. feck me Sarah Palin didn't even a massive demographic shift.
you new to this?
Lots of talk show host do the dirty work for both sides.
Ryan helps the Dems. He defines Romney. Palin energized the right wing base.
You need to study this a bit more.
If Romney is going to make a move in the polls, it will be over the next 4 weeks between today's Ryan announcement and the GOP convention. If he doesn't make up some ground in the key swing states between now and then, he's going to be in serious trouble, because Obama will probably maul him in the debates.
I'm curious about Romney begging Obama not to go after him on his work experience (Bain) or his earnings(Tax Returns).
But of course he wants to discuss the 'issues'
You sound like the usual bullshit pundits. Give over, it's early August. We're pre conferences, pre debates, and Ryan will try to redefine himself. He's a proper fiscal conservative.
Obama has never been a good debater, he is however, good at connecting with people. McCain was simply pathetically bad. But Obama never topped Clinton in any argument in his debates. Most of it was won by demographics.
I agree with the point that Romney needs to make big headway. At least till parity in some swing states, in the next few weeks.
calm down dear.
No, I'm just a Brit, who's seen countless elections of the usual claptrap, and followed many US presidentially primary and general elections.
Is Obama leading? Yes.
It is sewn up? No, not yet.
Are polls going to change a lot. Yes.
and there are a lot of us on this board who have studied these things too. So stop coming across like you know the lot.
We all have opinions...and obviously yours and mine differ.
Here is the reality. For Obama's lead to completely disappear, his message will have to suddenly go sour and Romney's 'message' will suddenly have to be hitting home.
The indications are that Romney is cracking. Why else would he be seeking a truce not to discuss his Bain record or his tax returns? They are his weak points...and that is before he defined himself with Paul Ryan's budget. Now he is stuck.
The only poll that counts is what happens on Election day. Of course the polls before that will move up and down.
All I am saying is the probability is very high Obama will be re elected.
Btw your idea of a proper fiscal conservative is not very popular among the majority in this country. We call them teabaggers and though they have taken the GOP hostage, they are in the minority in this country.
GOP is a mess. The Ryan pick smacks of Romney having to move far right to appease the tea party element in the party.
In a "normal" situation neither Ryan nor Romney would run with each other. Ideologically they are so different.
In a "normal" situation neither Ryan nor Romney would run with each other. Ideologically they are so different.
Romney has no ideology.
The GOP pubahs did not want a right wing loon to be the nominee...that is why they pushed for Romney who was a 'moderate'. Actually he is the perfect chameleon. He believes in nothing but making a buck.
Now the GOP has got the worst of both worlds. An empty suit tied to an empty soul.
I heard somewhere that if it wasn't for cuts in spending forced by Republicans like Ryan, unemployment would be around 1% lower- most of the job losses since 2009 (after the initial Bush recession) have been government ones.
I guess Romney's plan is to have a second punching bag so he doesn't get as much of the focus of the beating.
He's pretty much just admitting he's only for the rich with this pick..
I guess Romney's plan is to have a second punching bag so he doesn't get as much of the focus of the beating.
He's pretty much just admitting he's only for the rich with this pick..
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Depends what you define as a good debater. He comes across as very believable to a majority of voters in debates and speeches, which is all that matters in this regard.
They may change, but they may also not change much in the next 88 days. They certainly haven't fluctuated much in the previous 88.
No, you're pretending to be an election expert, and trying to make out it's a disaster or a crisis. It isn't. You are a dem, that's clear enough. We don't need a running update on how bad Ryan is and how Obama's winning in every post. The election is months away.
It was always a tall order for Romney or any GOP candidate to win against Obama. This isn't news. It's not Romneys fault. More a GOP demographic and policy problem, which cannot be solved in one election cycle. The VP selection will hopefully change things up a bit. All parties have their issues once in a while. It's just not a good time to part of the GOP.
Romney is actually a very successful guy. Clearly not stupid, or lacking intelligence. Contrary to reports, Ryan is also pretty much the same. Will people stick with Obama/Biden. Probably. There's isn't an obvious issue to remove an incumbent, which is why the GOP seems to be equally as radical and far-fetched in it's arguments.
To be honest nothing has really happened for there to be fluctuations. There will be reason for fluctuations in the next 88 days. VP pick, Conventions, Debates. This is where it gets serious.
If Romney doesn't get a bump from his VP pick chances are he won't with the convention, because for all we know, the Democratic convention will negate any bump the GOP convention provides. The debates are likely to favor Obama.
I am no expert..neither are you.. calm down. I cannot make anything up to be what it is not. Anyone can see the Romney campaign is losing its wheels. Please don't speak for other posters about what they need or don't need. And don't post the obvious. we can count the days as well as you.
I know I'm late with this but - Obamaloney
Agree with this. The conventions usually equal themselves out. Not convinced Obama will win easily in the debates. I think it will likely be score draws.
I don't claim to be. But you keep spouting the GOP are "loosing wheels", "The indications are that Romney is cracking." "He's pretty much just admitting he's only for the rich with this prick.." "Romney has no ideology." " An empty suit tied to an empty soul." That's from your last 5 posts alone. Just way too many clichés.... I don't mind political debate, and people are allowed opinions.. But I can't bare one-liners, without some kind of sensible reasoning behind it. It's worth remembering that this is not a Dem forum, and most sensible people are not going to buy into these one-liners alone.
once again...calm down.
Those are my opinions based on the facts.
Romney is behind in the polls.
He has resorted to blatant lies to make his case
He has 'sued for peace' on his so called strengths..Bain and his business experience..and he does not want to reveal his tax returns.
If you don't like one liners...what's that to me? don't respond.
So go cry elsewhere that the majority on here are liberals. Perhaps you should seek out a teaparty forum where you will feel right at home.
once again...calm down
Romney isn't a bad debater, especially when he's ahead in the polls as during the primaries, but if you saw him in the 08 primaries against McCain, he gets very flustered and comes across as desperate when he's behind. Obama is just cool and collected and rarely makes any mistakes all the while chipping away at his opponents.
so long as it on script, Romney is fine. The reason Romney cannot think outside of those areas imo is he does not really believe in anything. To venture an honest opinion, you need to believe.
Obama connects because people can see he is 'real', they can see he cares. Not just spouting 'talking points'
Obama connects because people can see he is 'real', they can see he cares. Not just spouting 'talking points'
Romney isn't always the most self-aware when he's debating. The "I bet you $10,000" (or whatever amount it was) line springs to mind.
Obama is super cool and likeable, Romney and Ryan are........hmmmm NOT.
That is his world.
..and to answer the teabagger...Romney is not evil. To him so long as it is legal, it is right. He has no problems with playing in an uneven field which advantages those like him and screws the rest.
This election is simply about either allowing such people have their way or making a change that gives the majority a fair chance.
That is all.
I don't think he's very good, judging by the primaries. He was playing away, admittedly, as he had to talk like a maniac to pass muster with the base. But on the other hand, he was up against a bunch of clowns, and he still only came out on top when he managed to pack the house.
people vote for someone they like..simple.
which is why I find Romney such a poor candidate. Bush was likeable...even if he was a bit slow.
That is why he beat both Gore and Kerry who just came across as not being 'genuine.'
Newt is sharp and a very good debater. But he had so much baggage that Romney could exploit him.
Newt had the disadvantage of being a raving lunatic though. As well as something of a twat.
I just remembered that Herman Cain led the polls at one stage Republicans are amazing.
I just remembered that Herman Cain led the polls at one stage
Republicans are amazing.Newt had the disadvantage of being a raving lunatic though. As well as something of a twat.
I just remembered that Herman Cain led the polls at one stage
Actually he is a very corrupt and charismatic politician....in that order
The Cain lead is because conservatives absolutely hate Romney...which is why Ryan makes sense. But it is not going to increase his vote count. The same people were going to vote GOP anyway, because they hate Obama.
But now Romney has given the finger to the moderates.
Really? I thought Gingrich was a rambling idiot lacking awareness of the tone to strike for an audience besides his own sycophants. His speeches would just go on and on and on.
I recall one where he arguably insulted at least three US allies and trading partners in the space of two sentences.
Romney has his issues in that area too fo course.
The range of candidates to choose from were appalling even by Republican standards, Huntsman was not quite as bad but then he was never going to be selected.
Actually he is a very corrupt and charismatic politician....in that order
The Cain lead is because conservatives absolutely hate Romney...which is why Ryan makes sense. But it is not going to increase his vote count. The same people were going to vote GOP anyway, because they hate Obama.
But now Romney has given the finger to the moderates.
Yeah I remember, the anyone-but-Romney vote was one huge swing demographic. Seem to remember that they developed quite the taste for Santorum come the end...
a couple of things about the debates though.
Romney was clever to pack those halls. I agree Newt does tend to ramble. But he does come across as a genuine conservative..even if he betrayed himself many times.
He just had too many weaknesses that Romney could easily bang on.
Huntsman...if the GOP had a future would be the perfect candidate. He is very likeable and is not a complete loon...which is why he had no chance in the primaries.
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