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Dumat12 said:
Your delusions do you no justice. I never justified any kind of genocide. I said that white people should stop being blamed for conquering when every single nation (tribe, city, empire) has done it in one way or another.
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You also said they should be proud of their history of conquering (aka genocide) because you think every society practiced that way so it's therefore justified. The logic is so bad, I can see why I went off on you back then. Really putting the dum in dumat.

Dumat12 said:
I call bullshit on that. Imagine you were raped, your emotions, adrenaline all running high from it. Your pain is sharp. You will go as earliest as possible and tell your story, if it is in fact true. If it's not, you'll wait 36 years later, when you've basically have forgotten this whole thing, or at least the details about it, and tell your story to the entire world.
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You clearly haven't talked to victims of sexual assault. Most of them don't immediately report it due to a variety of reasons. You demonstrate that you don't know shit about how it affects people so give over about telling other people how to handle it. There are girls who have been raped, have enough proof of it, and still don't go through because of the strain of the process.
 
Dumat12 said:
She has no witnesses, she comes out 36 years later in the perfect time to disrupt Kavanaugh's appointment, she's obviously a Democrat, she has even donated to the party. She has nothing to support her theory. It's simply her word and her word is worth shit. In a just society, she would be considered a crazy person in need of her meds and not given the spotlight with every fecking politician, Republican or Democrat, kissing her ass for no reason (oh, she has no evidence, but I'm sure she was raped by someone else somewhere else, as some Republicans on the panel have already said)
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Neither has Kavanaugh, all he has are people saying they don't remember such a get-together. Which isn't all that strange, seeing as how it would have just been any other lazy night for all but three of them, and two of would of course deny it, true or not. She started trying to get in touch with her representatives long before he was nominated, when he was just one of several names on a shortlist. She only came forward when it was clear that all the press had found out about it.

In a just society, you'd be less of a disgusting sack of shit. And I'll gladly take a warning for saying that.
 
Dumat12 said:
I call bullshit on that. Imagine you were raped, your emotions, adrenaline all running high from it. Your pain is sharp. You will go as earliest as possible and tell your story, if it is in fact true. If it's not, you'll wait 36 years later, when you've basically have forgotten this whole thing, or at least the details about it, and tell your story to the entire world.
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Absolute rubbish, you clearly know nothing about sexual assault. Do any kind of research on the topic and you will see how incredibly wrong you are.
 
sullydnl said:
In fairness, even if he was innocent he might have felt he was better off lying about those things as they would all have hurt his defence at this point. Those blatant lies don't neccessarily mean he's guilty.
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He was the one who said he was a virgin until 20. Wouldn't hurt his defence if he admitted being sexually active in his teens as it would have been seen as the norm back then.
 
Damien said:
He was the one who said he was a virgin until 20. Wouldn't hurt his defence if he admitted being sexually active in his teens as it would have been seen as the norm back then.
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Aye, I was thinking more of yesterday's statement and the lies about his drinking and the devil's triangle. The virgin-til-20 thing was weird and unnecessary.
 
How anyone can believe Dr Ford was a stranger to the truth is beyond belief.
 
Damien said:
He was the one who said he was a virgin until 20. Wouldn't hurt his defence if he admitted being sexually active in his teens as it would have been seen as the norm back then.
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Public school varsity football players are having sex as freshmen. They're definitely fecking from a young age at a prep school.
 
Dumat12 said:
I call bullshit on that. Imagine you were raped, your emotions, adrenaline all running high from it. Your pain is sharp. You will go as earliest as possible and tell your story, if it is in fact true. If it's not, you'll wait 36 years later, when you've basically have forgotten this whole thing, or at least the details about it, and tell your story to the entire world.

What's your point about combat veterans? PTSD?
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How the hell would you know, you don't know the trauma people that have been assaulted suffered. You are in no position to judge how someone that has been assaulted sexually should react. Are you calling bullshit on kids and teenagers that are coming out tens of years after about the sexual assaults they suffered?

Moreover, you believe someone that has lied multiple times over someone that has not a single time in her testimony. I would I agree if you said that nothing can be decided from the two hearings, but saying that she's lying while believe Kavanaugh is definitly an agenda driven statement.
 
Halftrack said:
Neither has Kavanaugh, all he has are people saying they don't remember such a get-together. Which isn't all that strange, seeing as how it would have just been any other lazy night for all but three of them, and two of would of course deny it, true or not. She started trying to get in touch with her representatives long before he was nominated, when he was just one of several names on a shortlist. She only came forward when it was clear that all the press had found out about it.

In a just society, you'd be less of a disgusting sack of shit. And I'll gladly take a warning for saying that.
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I don't think you'll get one.
 
Carolina Red said:
See though, that would make sense. Dumat has no need for that.
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The worst part is saying that as a man. I believe that I am open minded and "modern" but if I was raped I would probably deny until the day I die. I don't believe that I would have the strength to face people and admit it.
 
Halftrack said:
Neither has Kavanaugh, all he has are people saying they don't remember such a get-together. Which isn't all that strange, seeing as how it would have just been any other lazy night for all but three of them, and two of would of course deny it, true or not. She started trying to get in touch with her representatives long before he was nominated, when he was just one of several names on a shortlist. She only came forward when it was clear that all the press had found out about it.

In a just society, you'd be less of a disgusting sack of shit. And I'll gladly take a warning for saying that.
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Well said @Halftrack
 
JPRouve said:
The worst part is saying that as a man. I believe that I am open minded and "modern" but if I was raped I would probably deny until the day I die. I don't believe that I would have the strength to face people and admit it.
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I know someone who was molested by the school caretaker in primary school, this person will never say a word, not to his wife, not to his parents and definitely not to the police.
 
Dumat12 said:
What more does the FBI is going to do, besides delay his appointment, that this panel is unable to do?
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Actually investigate for one thing.

Grassley and the Republicans have done everything they can possibly do to prevent an investigation. That is the point.

And this argument that we have to ram Kavanaugh through as fast as possible, can't allow any investigation, can't allow any of the other victims to have a hearing is so transparent after refusing to even give Obama's nomination a hearing for 10 months you can't even try to make this dishonest argument.
 
@Dumat12

36 years ago a 15-year-old girl would be ashamed to tell of her ordeal. Different times. Even in today's more liberal society, a large proportion of sexual harassment cases are not reported.
 
Halftrack said:
Neither has Kavanaugh, all he has are people saying they don't remember such a get-together. Which isn't all that strange, seeing as how it would have just been any other lazy night for all but three of them, and two of would of course deny it, true or not. She started trying to get in touch with her representatives long before he was nominated, when he was just one of several names on a shortlist. She only came forward when it was clear that all the press had found out about it.

In a just society, you'd be less of a disgusting sack of shit. And I'll gladly take a warning for saying that.
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Well they won’t be able to “remember” it will they. Otherwise they would be dragged through it to for being complicit etc.
 
Pexbo said:
You kinda wonder what they have on people like Flake when it comes to things like this. He has nothing to lose so why not break rank and listen to his conscience.

I really wouldn’t be surprised if the GOP entrap potentially troublesome representatives and hold them by the short and curlies. It would certainly fit in with their mafioso ways.
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He is listening to his conscience, hes just evil and always has been.
 
This is the person you people are arguing with. I admire you guys.
Not sure if trolling. It wasn't seen as a "detriment" to Europe, Europe was civilizing "savages" in their mind. By the time Europe colonized Africa money wasn't an issue to them because Europe had direct control over every trade route in the world and losing a few quids didn't matter to them. So in a sense - yes, Africa benefited from colonialism much more than Europe did because of the introduction of modern day medicine, infrastructure, governing system - basically getting them out of the stone age. If it wasn't for colonialism, it's highly likely that Africa would be a bunch of primitive tribes right now that never saw an outside face.
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Because that's always been the case in history, it was practiced by everyone - the weak are conquered by the strong. You do know that the people that Europe conquered were fighting between themselves and conquering each other way before they were discovered? Sure, their means of fighting may have brought casualties on a smaller scale, but that was only because of the restriction of their technology, not because they were living peacefully. At the end of the day Europeans shouldn't be ashamed of their history but rather be proud of it - we were the best at it and that's nothing to be ashamed by. You would rather be the one that was conquered or the one doing the conquering? Because there was no third option back then.

The world as we know it was made by Europeans. Whether you like it or not, the abolition of slavery, the right to free speech, the habeas corpus and our current laws would most likely have never happened if it wasn't for Europe mainly because Europe strictly enforced these laws on other nations. I really have no idea why this thing "white guilt" even exists.
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Something seems to be happening. The vote was supposed to take place and now Senators are walking out.
 
Sultan said:
@Dumat12

36 years ago a 15-year-old girl would be ashamed to tell of her ordeal. Different times. Even in today's more liberal society, a large proportion of sexual harassment cases are not reported.
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Very true. And of those that are, the small percentage that result in a conviction can end up like this: https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/10325560

Anyone with empathy can understand why someone who has just been put through an ordeal like that, once they have gotten over the shock and denial stage, might think that they had been put through enough already.
 
Dumat12 said:
I call bullshit on that. Imagine you were raped, your emotions, adrenaline all running high from it. Your pain is sharp. You will go as earliest as possible and tell your story, if it is in fact true. If it's not, you'll wait 36 years later, when you've basically have forgotten this whole thing, or at least the details about it, and tell your story to the entire world.
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Sometimes I wonder whether the internet is really this thick or if it's just trolling. Surely a mind which has matured into being able to formulate words on a keyboard can't produce a thought this moronic :lol:
 
Dumat12 said:
Your delusions do you no justice. I never justified any kind of genocide. I said that white people should stop being blamed for conquering when every single nation (tribe, city, empire) has done it in one way or another.


Is she not? Furthermore, that's my opinion, I'm not taking her to court with it, or threatening her job or anything.


Why didn't it trigger a reaction the day after she was raped? I don't know. If I was raped, I'm not going to keep quiet for more than 30 years for no apparent reason.


There's nothing the FBI can do that this committee can't do. They don't have magic powers.


And they were investigated, nothing came up. As I said, when you make a claim about something, you should provide some evidence, which she has not. Quite frankly, the fact that she has been given the spotlight is absolutely absurd


That only her husband is able to confirm?


The notes that contradict her testimony? Also, I don't believe Kavanaugh was telling the truth about the drinking problem. But he didn't want to admit it for obvious reasons, because it would be spinned in a direction that accuses him of raping her without knowing.


I call bullshit on that. Imagine you were raped, your emotions, adrenaline all running high from it. Your pain is sharp. You will go as earliest as possible and tell your story, if it is in fact true. If it's not, you'll wait 36 years later, when you've basically have forgotten this whole thing, or at least the details about it, and tell your story to the entire world.

What's your point about combat veterans? PTSD?
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So your saying that you believe he has shown himself to be untrustworthy? Seems then that there should be no need for a delay and he should simply be considered unfit for a position of this sort.
 
JPRouve said:
The worst part is saying that as a man. I believe that I am open minded and "modern" but if I was raped I would probably deny until the day I die. I don't believe that I would have the strength to face people and admit it.
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Same. I am pretty sure that it would never tell anyone if I was ever molested.
 
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